High Cotton Posted February 2 Posted February 2 Can someone clarify the rule about sweeping yourself? Rule book says with loaded weapon sweeping “anyone” is a MDQ. I’m not talking about drawing and holstering pistols. I’m asking about your hand being in front of a muzzle. Can you please reference where in the handbook this is? Thanks High Cotton Quote
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted February 2 Posted February 2 Under what exact circumstances would the shooter's hand be in front of a muzzle of a loaded firearm? 1 Quote
High Cotton Posted February 2 Author Posted February 2 They stop to fix a malfunction. Does it matter? Quote
Rip Snorter Posted February 2 Posted February 2 Can't think of a case where anyone with a clue, AKA able to walk and chew gum at the same time, would have their hand in front of the muzzle of a loaded firearm. 1 Quote
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted February 2 Posted February 2 (edited) 3 hours ago, High Cotton said: They stop to fix a malfunction. Does it matter? There is no penalty for "self sweeping" listed. "Anyone" refers to "other than yourself" (clarified long ago re: drawing and holstering). The penalty for "Unsafe firearm handling" is a SDQ REF: SHB p.23 That also applies to the following Gunfighter rule: "The revolvers must never be held in an unsafe manner (e.g., one revolver behind the other)" SHB p.8 Edited February 2 by PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L add reference 5 4 Quote
High Cotton Posted February 2 Author Posted February 2 Is there a complete list of clarifications somewhere? Quote
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted February 2 Posted February 2 12 minutes ago, High Cotton said: Is there a complete list of clarifications somewhere? NO. ...but I found a reference regarding "no penalty for self-sweeping while holding the holster when drawing/holstering a revolver" in the minutes of the First Annual SASS Territorial Governor Summit held in Las Vegas, December 10-12, 1999 ...but you're "not talking about" that. 1 Quote
SGT. ELI 35882 GUNFIGHTER Posted February 2 Posted February 2 (edited) 10 hours ago, Rip Snorter said: Can't think of a case where anyone with a clue, AKA able to walk and chew gum at the same time, would have their hand in front of the muzzle of a loaded firearm. Not a hand, but I saw a guy look down the the barrel of a pistol after a bang-click-click bang episode....come to think of it I don't think he could walk and chew gum at the same time. MDQ and a stern conversation followed. Edited February 2 by SGT. ELI 35882 GUNFIGHTER 3 Quote
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted February 2 Posted February 2 Quote They stop to fix a malfunction. Does it matter? If they handle the gun in an unsafe manner, yep. Loaded or not, declared malfunctioning or not. Safe gun handling is required. good luck, GJ 2 2 Quote
Rye Miles #13621 Posted February 2 Posted February 2 (edited) We had a new shooter a few years ago that after loading his first pistol he twirled his loaded gun and put it back in his holster! A couple of us scolded him and we told the MD who had a long talk with the dude. He got a SDQ and stern warning. He was well behaved after that. He was actually not a bad shooter but he sure learned a lesson that day. Edited February 2 by Rye Miles #13621 2 1 Quote
Captain Bill Burt Posted February 2 Posted February 2 I’ve seen shooters with floppy holsters hold them open with their off hand and sweep themselves when holstering. I’ve seen gunfighters sweep themselves due to excessive pumping. I’ve seen a shooter try to look down the barrel of a loaded revolver. I’ve seen duelists sweep their leg(s) while holding an empty revolver and shooting the other revolver. It definitely happens. 1 Quote
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted February 2 Posted February 2 PLUS ONE for Capt. Bill Burt. It galls me to no end to see gunfighters "Pumping." So, why doe the practice seem to be tolerated most everywhere?? Match Directors and ROs/TOs seem bound to turn a "blind eye." I often hear "Heck, he/she has been doing it for years." 1 Quote
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted February 2 Posted February 2 Someone picking up a staged revolver. Obviously it shouldn't happen. Quote
Eyesa Horg Posted February 2 Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: PLUS ONE for Capt. Bill Burt. It galls me to no end to see gunfighters "Pumping." So, why doe the practice seem to be tolerated most everywhere?? Match Directors and ROs/TOs seem bound to turn a "blind eye." I often hear "Heck, he/she has been doing it for years." No different than shotgun bras, just more dangerous! 1 Quote
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted February 2 Posted February 2 5 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: We had a new shooter a few years ago that after loading his first pistol he twirled his loaded gun and put it back in his holster! A couple of us scolded him and we told the MD who had a long talk with the dude. He got a SDQ and stern warning. He was well behaved after that. He was actually not a bad shooter but he sure learned a lesson that day. I've told this before, but over 20 years ago a brand new shooter showed up, dressed to the nines. He was not on my posse, but after the first stage he twirled his gun into the holster and was remprimanded for it. We never saw him again! As for the gunfighter "pumping" I think part of the issue with calling it is that there is a great deal of variation in how much pumping. How do you tell when one amount of pumping is okay but a half-inch further is not? It can be too subjective unless it is really bad. 4 Quote
Preacherman Posted February 2 Posted February 2 3 hours ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: PLUS ONE for Capt. Bill Burt. It galls me to no end to see gunfighters "Pumping." So, why doe the practice seem to be tolerated most everywhere?? Match Directors and ROs/TOs seem bound to turn a "blind eye." I often hear "Heck, he/she has been doing it for years." As a gunfighter I've "scolded" shooters "pumping" unsafely. Makes me extremely nervous. Can you imagine an accidental discharge resulting someone shooting themselves in the hand or their gun? Maybe we need to start calling this as it is a real safety issue. 2 Quote
Chancy Shot, SASS #67163 Posted February 2 Posted February 2 17 hours ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: That also applies to the following Gunfighter rule: "The revolvers must never be held in an unsafe manner (e.g., one revolver behind the other)" SHB p.8 This is excessive pumping ^^^^^. Seems easy enough to see and call/\. Chancy 1 1 Quote
Preacherman Posted February 2 Posted February 2 Thanks for the clarification!! I guess that I should have known this and will be more aware in the future. Quote
watab kid Posted February 3 Posted February 3 21 hours ago, Rip Snorter said: Can't think of a case where anyone with a clue, AKA able to walk and chew gum at the same time, would have their hand in front of the muzzle of a loaded firearm. im in total agreement , seen a lot of malfunctions that never involved that stupid move , and yes i consider it absolutely stupid move Quote
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