Pat Riot Posted January 24 Posted January 24 (edited) Something to consider… Many forums require that if you post something from another website that you post a hyper link to the media (image, video, graphic, etc.) for people to click on to access the site OR you post a link showing where the image came from either above or below the image. This removes or mitigates the chances of copyright infringement issues. EXAMPLE: Image from: https://www.sassnet.com/sass-clubs/find-a-club-near-you I also posted this in the GOFWG’s thread Edited January 24 by Pat Riot 3 1 Quote
Texas Joker Posted January 24 Posted January 24 (edited) See a meme, like it and want to post it. Open chat gpt or Microsoft copilot and create your own AI generated meme. "My" original artwork and copilot really can't generate the same image thing twice even using the same prompt Edited January 24 by Texas Joker Added image 1 Quote
John Kloehr Posted January 24 Posted January 24 29 minutes ago, Texas Joker said: See a meme, like it and want to post it. Open chat gpt or Microsoft copilot and create your own AI generated meme. "My" original artwork and copilot really can't generate the same image thing twice even using the same prompt Even AI is under attack for copyright violation. Many AI systems are undergoing retraining as the original training included copyrighted works. This made any output from those AIs potentially derivative (derived from) works. 1 Quote
Texas Joker Posted January 24 Posted January 24 20 minutes ago, John Kloehr said: Even AI is under attack for copyright violation. Many AI systems are undergoing retraining as the original training included copyrighted works. This made any output from those AIs potentially derivative (derived from) works. I would think they would have to prove derivation vs transformation of the copyrighted work. And if the original was is in the public domain and then taken private via copyright... That's like that guy that tried to patent the wheel. They yanked the patent in 2014. https://forums.sassnet.com/index.php?/topic/364788-reinventing-the-wheel/ Yea that thread has Flintstones, BC and hotwheels Quote
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Has this message been locked? Or have I personally been blocked from posting a few questions? I can't get a reply to the entire message or any individual response to open. Am I to believe that I have been copyrighted? 1 1 Quote
Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L Posted January 24 Posted January 24 11 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: Has this message been locked? Or have I personally been blocked from posting a few questions? I can't get a reply to the entire message or any individual response to open. Am I to believe that I have been copyrighted? From my browser, I am seeing each of your posts appear twice in the thread. Not sure if that is related or not. Note: There are two threads, one in the SASS Wire and one in the SASS Saloon. Are you posting in one and looking in the other? Do you have multiple tabs open in your browser? 2 Quote
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted January 24 Posted January 24 30 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: Has this message been locked? Or have I personally been blocked from posting a few questions? I can't get a reply to the entire message or any individual response to open. Am I to believe that I have been copyrighted? Not locked. For some reason your previous message quoting Cypress Sun was reposted NINE times...twice with multiple repeats in the same post. Those duplicates were "hidden" pending deletion. (the latest one also reposted). 2 2 1 Quote
Eyesa Horg Posted January 24 Posted January 24 7 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: Has this message been locked? Or have I personally been blocked from posting a few questions? I can't get a reply to the entire message or any individual response to open. Am I to believe that I have been copyrighted? Your recent posts are appearing on my phone. So you aren't blocked in any way that I can see. Quote
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 (edited) Okay, I kept pushing the Submit Reply button and it didn't appear to be getting transmitted. Posted Just Now message didn't show up and the Submit Reply button kept reappearing. I had no way of knowing if it was taking or not. Maybe I need to clean the chimney and trim the wick.. These old kerosene powered computers aren't all that reliable any more......and I have a dyslexic keyboard. Edited January 24 by Forty Rod SASS 3935 5 Quote
Eyesa Horg Posted January 24 Posted January 24 2 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: Okay, I kept pushing the Submit Reply button and irtdidn't appear to be getting transmitted. Poster Just Now message didn't show up and the Submit Reply button kept reappearing. I had no way of knowing if it was taking or not. Maybe I need to clean the chimney and trim the wick.. These old kerosene powered computers aren't all that reliable any more and I have a dyslexic keyboard. So your submit button has gone full auto. We'll just assume you now have a stutter. Carry on, but stay off my ice! 2 Quote
Father Kit Cool Gun Garth Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Here's a fail safe method.. Just my...... 1 4 Quote
Eyesa Horg Posted January 25 Posted January 25 34 minutes ago, Father Kit Cool Gun Garth said: Here's a fail safe method.. Just my...... Happy New Year FKCGG 1 1 Quote
Father Kit Cool Gun Garth Posted January 25 Posted January 25 26 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said: Happy New Year FKCGG Hey @Eyesa Horg You forgot to use the link to my picture. 1 Quote
Eyesa Horg Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) Oh crab CRAP, my humble appologies. I will consider this fair warning. Edited January 25 by Eyesa Horg Fricken otto 3 Quote
Will Kane Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 1/24/2025 at 2:08 PM, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: Not locked. For some reason your previous message quoting Cypress Sun was reposted NINE times...twice with multiple repeats in the same post. Those duplicates were "hidden" pending deletion. (the latest one also reposted). Image of Nelson Mandela Muntz from The Simpsons yelling, “Ha! Ha!”. 1 Quote
Pat Riot Posted February 7 Posted February 7 @Misty Moonshine are there any updates that you can share regarding this situation? 1 2 Quote
Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L Posted February 21 Posted February 21 I have done a tiny bit of research on this topic and this article in the National Law Review seems to imply that as long as the meme is not used for the purposes of generating income, then it should be OK to post them. Not in all cases, but if you or I were to take a picture from the internet, modify it into a meme, and then post it, we should be OK, as long as we aren't putting it on Coffee Mugs, T-Shirts, or in some other way trying to make money with it. But, IANAL, (I Am Not A Lawyer) so take that with a grain of salt, but it seems like that would be OK. Who Owns Memes Now, the same does not hold true for the reposting of comic strips, or cartoons that have been copyrighted. That still seems as though it will get you in trouble. I think, and again IANAL, that you can post the comic as long as you also post a link along with it that takes you to the original work, but someone who understands copyright law a lot better than I will have to be your guide on that. Lastly, in the end, it all depends on what the Owner of the Website decides is acceptable. Companies can always sue for copyright infringement, and unless the sue-ee (Is that even a word ) has legal representation on retainer, they usually just settle for some number that gets them out of the lawsuit at minimal cost, regardless of them being guilty or not. Like I said upthread, in my opinion it's a money grab by some of these big corporations and nothing more. Personally, I miss the Memes. I used to used this place (and another shooters forum I frequent) to give myself a last chuckle and purge the days trouble before crashing for the night. I hope we can bring that back. Quote
John Kloehr Posted February 21 Posted February 21 5 hours ago, Eyesa Horg said: Page 2 and no word from Misty!?? I'm assuming her lawyer says shut up. So I'm leaving it at that. Another forum owner I gave a heads up to has not been shaken down for all the memes on his site, he also has lawyers on retainer and is not afraid to use them. On this site, it may have been the comic strips, and I may have posted one or two of those myself over time when they were on point to a particular conversation. I also am not a lawyer, and where memes fall is not fully settled from what I can determine. The underlying picture may be and often is copyrighted, but adding the meme text can be considered as "transformative" in terms of such things as comedy or parody. This would then be fair use. I don't considered this settled law. Quote
Pat Riot Posted March 1 Posted March 1 @Misty Moonshine @Eliphalet R. Moderator Any updates in this situation that you can share? Quote
Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L Posted March 1 Posted March 1 Misty willl be at EOT at least through tomorrow. 1 Quote
Palouse Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Any thought to having administrators filter and block "web crawler" connections? Allow search engines to keep our text content available for reference searches, but block the image search web crawlers retrieving large files. To determine if a file is "copied", the entire file must be downloaded and the hash code compared to original. How many image files are on the web? Block some web crawlers not to prevent detection of unlicensed use of copywrite material, but to prevent unauthorised and excessive use of SASS resources. Think about it, the world is allowing image copywrite holding companies to pull huge files from every internet source whenever they want. Once a year? Once a day? Once a minute? For free. What a business model! Buy up essentially worthless image file copywrites, put tremendous strain on the intetnet to pull all image files from all locations, and then legally extort money from the people who ultimately pay for the bandwidth to allow image file transfers. Now, if there was only a way to easily change a file's hash code ... 1 Quote
John Kloehr Posted March 15 Posted March 15 36 minutes ago, Palouse said: Any thought to having administrators filter and block "web crawler" connections? Allow search engines to keep our text content available for reference searches, but block the image search web crawlers retrieving large files. Now, if there was only a way to easily change a file's hash code ... Web search engines directives are only hints and search engines do not always honor them. Changing just one bit changes the file hash. Google steganography for more that can be done with images which a computer can detect but a human will not notice.. 1 Quote
Palouse Posted March 15 Posted March 15 26 minutes ago, John Kloehr said: Web search engines directives are only hints and search engines do not always honor them. Changing just one bit changes the file hash. Google steganography for more that can be done with images which a computer can detect but a human will not notice.. Sure. But I'm not talking about directives. Depending upon the control allowed by an isp, block specific domains from accessing website. Search engines capture (via web crawlers) text and metadata about a webpage, not attached pictures or other large files. The image companies either have their own crawlers, or querry the URL/location of pics via search engine metadata. The image companies must go to the source for actual file download. SASSNet bandwidth should not be used by other companies. It is bad enough with SPAM, fraud and advertisements. Yes, Windows bundled app, "Paint", is a simple and marvelous tool. Quote
John Kloehr Posted March 15 Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, Palouse said: Sure. But I'm not talking about directives. Depending upon the control allowed by an isp, block specific domains from accessing website. Search engines capture (via web crawlers) text and metadata about a webpage, not attached pictures or other large files. The image companies either have their own crawlers, or querry the URL/location of pics via search engine metadata. The image companies must go to the source for actual file download. SASSNet bandwidth should not be used by other companies. It is bad enough with SPAM, fraud and advertisements. Yes, Windows bundled app, "Paint", is a simple and marvelous tool. It would be more up to the forum software developer, but graphics do not need to be copied and served from "this" web server. They can be embedded and still served from the host where the file is stored. This is commonly done for YouTube videos. It looks like it is in a post or other web page, but actually comes from a link. Copyright law is not yet clear if this (linking and embedding) still counts as a copyright violation or not, but it does address server host bandwidth by putting the load onto the original file source. To complicate matters, some places resist such efforts as theft of their own bandwidth (as it removes possible revenue from ads served with the content originally). Quote
Palouse Posted March 15 Posted March 15 JK, Amen, brother. My point of posting was just throwing out options. I think it is important to NOT present the appearance of trying to get around the law for files on our servers. And, I do not know that SASS has been fined for posting links, (but I may have missed that in the previous two pages). If all providers and web domains protected their resources and blocked image company access, the carpet baggers would be left holding the bag. I don't advocate breaking the law, nor ignoring perversions of the law. I don't like the current state of copywrite law. But Article I, Section 8, Clause 8, ain't goin' to be changed. Congress can be convinced to make changes, which is as it should be Quote
Buckshot Bear Posted March 25 Posted March 25 People can send invoices asking for money all the time. I hope before any monies were handed over a copyright lawyer was consulted. Quote
Pat Riot Posted March 26 Posted March 26 I am curious. Are we ever going to get an update to this issue? 3 Quote
Pat Riot Posted April 2 Posted April 2 Image (GIF) from: https://giphy.com/gifs/awesomenesstv-season-2-guidance-l4FGI0SsKVBU69V5e 1 2 Quote
Eyesa Horg Posted April 2 Posted April 2 Odd this was posted and then info on what is OK from there or what's happening with it! Without follow up, it's just going to revert to where we were or the Moderators are going to be awful busy. 2 Quote
Pat Riot Posted April 25 Posted April 25 (edited) Never mind. It’s not worth it. Edited April 26 by Pat Riot Quote
John Kloehr Posted April 25 Posted April 25 (edited) If you have not noticed, images with copyright notices or artist signatures are scrubbed soon after they are posted. I'm sure if someone goes back to posting a lot of potentially infringing content, they will get a PM. As long as it is not me, it is not my business. Going to be hard to ask for a list of what is OK, as any error or omission just creates liability for SASS. Same for a list of "do nots," as an incomplete list does the same. This DMCA stuff requires 4 things. Responsible forum management in removing what has a high probability of infringement, responsible forum membership is not posting lots of high probability infringement, and copyright owners (or their agents) requesting takedowns as needed, and forum management promptly responding to these specific instances. I'm taking the attitude at this point that we all have good horse sense and SASS lawyers probably said shut up. And as far as what has been said, go take a refresh of: https://forums.sassnet.com/index.php?/guidelines/ It is in there. Probably always was. On edit: Frankly, as it has been three months, might be time to just lock this thread and move on. Edited April 25 by John Kloehr Quote
Pat Riot Posted April 26 Posted April 26 10 hours ago, John Kloehr said: If you have not noticed, images with copyright notices or artist signatures are scrubbed soon after they are posted. I'm sure if someone goes back to posting a lot of potentially infringing content, they will get a PM. As long as it is not me, it is not my business. Going to be hard to ask for a list of what is OK, as any error or omission just creates liability for SASS. Same for a list of "do nots," as an incomplete list does the same. This DMCA stuff requires 4 things. Responsible forum management in removing what has a high probability of infringement, responsible forum membership is not posting lots of high probability infringement, and copyright owners (or their agents) requesting takedowns as needed, and forum management promptly responding to these specific instances. I'm taking the attitude at this point that we all have good horse sense and SASS lawyers probably said shut up. And as far as what has been said, go take a refresh of: https://forums.sassnet.com/index.php?/guidelines/ It is in there. Probably always was. On edit: Frankly, as it has been three months, might be time to just lock this thread and move on. Hundreds of other forums have image posting polices and directions. Their policies do not require constant monitoring and scrubbing. Oh sure, lock the thread. That’ll fix the issue. 1 Quote
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