Texas Maverick Posted January 21 Posted January 21 He is lucky to be alive. What would you have done? TM 3 3 Quote
Subdeacon Joe Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) Have my passenger call police as soon as the guy got out with a gun in his hand. Make sure to get the guys face and license plate on video. Put it in gear and tromped on the accelerator and gone right for the attacker. Edited January 29 by Subdeacon Joe 5 Quote
Eyesa Horg Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Difficult to say, but I'm afraid I'd have shot him when he reached in the window if I hadn't thought to escape before he got to my truck. Having never had to deal with something like that, I think I'd have reacted like that victim did. 1 Quote
Pat Riot Posted January 21 Posted January 21 I can tell you right now if that happened to me there would have been very quick action on my part and I wouldn’t be sitting in my vehicle letting him come to me and my loved one with a gun in his hand. 4 Quote
Charlie Harley, #14153 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 With the hindsight we are all blessed with. I think the truck driver should have gassed it, run over the other guy, and gotten out of there. The Mercedes driver had already crossed pretty much every threshold for the use of deadly force. 2 Quote
Nickle Posted January 21 Posted January 21 I would have reversed and got out of there. I have to wonder what was wrong with Mercedes driver. Drugs? I don't get how road rage gets to this point? What happened before the video? I wouldn't want to shoot someone. 3 Quote
Texas Maverick Posted January 21 Author Posted January 21 If you haven't watched it before the movie Unhinged with Russell Crowe is worth watching. TM 2 Quote
Subdeacon Joe Posted January 21 Posted January 21 8 minutes ago, Nickle said: I would have reversed and got out of there. I had thought about that option, but it takes the drivers attention off the threat, is much slower than forward, that keeps you in the danger zone longer. Quote
Pat Riot Posted January 22 Posted January 22 5 hours ago, Charlie Harley, #14153 said: With the hindsight we are all blessed with. I think the truck driver should have gassed it, run over the other guy, and gotten out of there. The Mercedes driver had already crossed pretty much every threshold for the use of deadly force. There’s no hindsight on my part. Some ***hole cuts me off, blocks the road then gets out with a gun? His life is about to change…badly. 4 Quote
Ozark Huckleberry Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) Tough to say, especially given that only a brief bit at the end of the encounter is shown. The Mercedes driver is clearly in the wrong, as far as the video goes,. and he deserves whatever the law brings to him for ratcheting a road rage incident up to an armed confrontation. But I don't give the truck driver a pass, either. I think it takes two active participants for road rage to get to where this one went, and for the truck driver to wind up in the situation he found himself was more likely from being a player than a victim. The truck is stopped behind the Mercedes in a neighborhood. I don't know, but I get the sense that most road rages start somewhere other than in a residential area. So I infer that the incident started somewhere else, with higher traffic activity. To get to the point of the incident, the truck had to have followed the Mercedes, until that driver decided to stop and escalate the issue. How many opportunities did the truck driver have to let the Mercedes go, to take a different turn, to get out from behind the guy without escalating the confrontation? I doubt that 'none' is a truthful answer. For myself -- I find that carrying concealed makes me incredibly more polite on the road, much more de-escalatory, and very willing to let the other guy 'win the day' without the need for gestures or drama when another driver and I don't see eye-to-eye on who should yield to whom. I don't look at this and think, 'What would I have done?' I think, 'How could I have avoided it?' But for the record -- I'm not going to let someone walk up to me gun in hand, especially with family in the car. From the point at which he blocked my vehicle, I'd be armed, ready, and giving warnings. ETA: Generally, both people have cellphones. Why not have 9-1-1- on one while video recording with the other? I'd think it would be a whole 'nother level of 'calm-the-f-down' for the other driver to join a 9-1-1 chat when he walks up. Edited January 28 by Ozark Huckleberry 1 Quote
Blackwater 53393 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 I’d suspect that the guy in the Mercedes probably passed the pickup and then blocked the street. I’d have probably driven over the curb or sidewalk and gone on my way the moment he got out of the car! I’ve got a reverse in my truck as well, but if I was cornered, I might do most anything to protect my family and myself. 2 Quote
Dantankerous Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) There is probably no correct answer here. What if driving over a curb in attempt to flee only further enraged the Mercedes driver to where he engaged the fleeing with live rounds? Remember the guy is already absolutely off his rocker and we cannot assume correctly that he would make a rational choice here, but he chooses to escalate due to his rising anger. Quite possibly there is traffic behind you so reversing is not an option. Running him over also poses potential problems. And there is no guarantee he wouldn't have gotten out of the way and dumped shots at you anyway, all at a distance of three feet or less. At this point he might be able to legally claim your aggressive driving then threatened his life. Defending yourself at that range with a firearm may have well been the last or only resort. Not a good situation in any way shape or form. Having a dash camera is so important these days. Hypothetical "what-if" scenarios can be fun and thought provoking. This one is almost horrifying. Edited January 28 by Dantankerous 2 Quote
Texas Joker Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Backing allows the rear of the vehicle to be used as a ram to clear obstacles which is less likely to disable the vehicle. It also shows an attempt to leave the situation/area which in some jurisdictions is required prior to self defense claims. Quote
Eyesa Horg Posted January 28 Posted January 28 I guess my hesitation is due to not having to generally worry about such things here! Now days I should be more prepared!! Quote
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 1/21/2025 at 2:30 PM, Nickle said: I would have reversed and got out of there. I have to wonder what was wrong with Mercedes driver. Drugs? I don't get how road rage gets to this point? What happened before the video? I wouldn't want to shoot someone. I don't want to shoot anyone. Doesn't mean I won't! The second he became a threat to my wife or kids or me he is going to get shot. Probably more than once. 1 Quote
Eyesa Horg Posted January 28 Posted January 28 The more I've thought about this scenario, when he reached into the truck he'd have wound up with a bright red spot or two in his chest. Quote
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted January 29 Posted January 29 It's better to know Jesus before you are sent to see him ! This was not a smart move on his part . He is lucky to still be sucking air . Quote
Texas Maverick Posted January 29 Author Posted January 29 On 1/28/2025 at 5:20 AM, Ozark Huckleberry said: Tough to say, especially given that only a brief bit at the end of the encounter is shown. The Mercedes driver is clearly in the wrong, as far as the video goes,. and he deserves whatever the law brings to him for ratcheting a road rage incident up to an armed confrontation. But I don't give the truck driver a pass, either. I think it takes two active participants for road rage to get to where this one went, and for the truck driver to wind up in the situation he found himself was more likely from being a player than a victim. The truck is stopped behind the Mercedes in a neighborhood. I don't know, but I get the sense that most road rages start somewhere other than in a residential area. So I infer that the incident started somewhere else, with higher traffic activity. To get to the point of the incident, the truck had to have followed the Mercedes, until that driver decided to stop and escalate the issue. How many opportunities did the truck driver have to let the Mercedes go, to take a different turn, to get out from behind the guy without escalating the confrontation? I doubt that 'none' is a truthful answer. For myself -- I find that carrying concealed makes me incredibly more polite on the road, much more de-escalatory, and very willing to let the other guy 'win the day' without the need for gestures or drama when another driver and I don't see eye-to-eye on who should yield to whom. I don't look at this and think, 'What would I have done?' I think, 'How could I have avoided it?' But for the record -- I'm not going to let someone walk up to me gun in hand, especially with family in the car. From the point at which he blocked my vehicle, I'd be armed, ready, and giving warnings. ETA: Generally, both people have cellphones. Why not have 9-1-1- on one while video recording with the other? I'd think it would be a whole 'nother level of 'calm-the-f-down' for the other driver to join a 9-1-1 chat when he walks up. All good points but I would think if the truck driver was as irritated as you say he probably was to be involved in the road rage I would think he would have addressed this confrontation differently since he was also holding a gun. His calm attitude says he was an innocent participant in the road rage incident but without seeing more of the video it is anyone's guess. TM 2 Quote
Ozark Huckleberry Posted January 29 Posted January 29 On 1/28/2025 at 9:56 AM, Blackwater 53393 said: I’d suspect that the guy in the Mercedes probably passed the pickup and then blocked the street. I’d have probably driven over the curb or sidewalk and gone on my way the moment he got out of the car! I’ve got a reverse in my truck as well, but if I was cornered, I might do most anything to protect my family and myself. 1 hour ago, Texas Maverick said: All good points but I would think if the truck driver was as irritated as you say he probably was to be involved in the road rage I would think he would have addressed this confrontation differently since he was also holding a gun. His calm attitude says he was an innocent participant in the road rage incident but without seeing more of the video it is anyone's guess. TM Blackwater — you’re right. I went back and found I’d missed the commentator’s intro that said the guy in the Mercedes had passed the truck in the residential area. But in the review, I heard the truck driver tell the Mercedes driver those three little words that let every parent and NFL referee know they missed an important first part of the conflict — ‘You started it.’ 1 Quote
ORNERY OAF Posted January 29 Posted January 29 I think the victim left it in the bad guys hands, whether he and his wife were harmed. I will not leave that in the hands of an obvious mentally agitated person, not making good decisions. I hope to never be in that situation, but when he gets out with a gun on a threatening manor, now I must act and decide my and my family's fate, not the bad guy. 2 Quote
watab kid Posted January 30 Posted January 30 i also hope never to be in that situation , but im always armed in my truck and im not getting out to join a confrontation ever , no upside to joining stupidity but there is to being in control and prepared 2 Quote
Pat Riot Posted January 30 Posted January 30 18 hours ago, Ozark Huckleberry said: ‘You started it.’ I never use those words any more. No good has ever come from using them. 4 Quote
Tyrel Cody Posted January 30 Posted January 30 That was completely obnoxious. The video I mean. Do we really need the minute long “Delete Me” commercial at the beginning or the rest of self promotion bs in the rest of it? As to the idiot in the Mercedes? Yeah, not a great idea to stop in front of my truck. I’d immediately go around when he got out of his car and proceed to the nearest police station. 2 Quote
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