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21 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:

 

OK!!  Here we go!!  It appears Procast web site is fix'd and working.  Hopped on the site this morning and was able to place an order, payment was accepted, and I printed my receipt.  LOOKING REALLY GOOD HERE FOLKS.

 

OK MIKE!!  Looks to me like you're well and back in business!!  I did send you a PM with a tiny little suggestion.  Playing with Guns is FUN!!

 

 

Thanks again!  I do plan on making a few more bullet profiles in the future.  Hollow Backed 45s and some .430 (.431) diameter bullets for the 44 Magnum crowd to come.  

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3 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said:

Let us know the rest of the story. Thanks

Hi, I'm happy to answer any questions you may have?

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Von Dutch, SASS # 7995 said:

Double Scotch and I have been selling Bear Creek bullets for years and they are a great company, they have had a 105 gr  H.B. bullet for years and in a 38 oal is 143-145

Not trying to knock Bear Creek, but the truth is that Bear Creek sells moly tumbled, soft lead, swaged bullets.  Procast Bullets are cast 92/6/2 hardball with a Biopolymer coating that is infused with moly.  Which means no direct lead contact because of the polymer and the moly does not get all over your hands and workbench like the Bear Creek bullets do.  Our biopolymer burns off clean, meaning almost no fouling, and no leading.  Additionally, I use the original, tried and PROVEN RNFP bullet profile, I just made it hollow.  That's the bullet our 1966 and 73s were designed for.  Unlike Bear Creek Bullets we have a cannelure on our 38 HB-RNFP to roll crimp into, keeping your brass lip stronger for more reloads before the rim cracks. We've tested velocities up to 2400fps without any barrel leading.  There is no way soft swaged bullets will do that.  Procast bullets are superior bullets with modern technology and they shoot accurately.  And, if you take the time to look, Procast Bullets cost less than Bear Creek.  Just fyi ;)

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23 hours ago, Squib Kidd said:

Not trying to knock Bear Creek, but the truth is that Bear Creek sells moly tumbled, soft lead, swaged bullets.  Procast Bullets are cast 92/6/2 hardball with a Biopolymer coating that is infused with moly.  Which means no direct lead contact because of the polymer and the moly does not get all over your hands and workbench like the Bear Creek bullets do.  Our biopolymer burns off clean, meaning almost no fouling, and no leading.  Additionally, I use the original, tried and PROVEN RNFP bullet profile, I just made it hollow.  That's the bullet our 1966 and 73s were designed for.  Unlike Bear Creek Bullets we have a cannelure on our 38 HB-RNFP to roll crimp into, keeping your brass lip stronger for more reloads before the rim cracks. We've tested velocities up to 2400fps without any barrel leading.  There is no way soft swaged bullets will do that.  Procast bullets are superior bullets with modern technology and they shoot accurately.  And, if you take the time to look, Procast Bullets cost less than Bear Creek.  Just fyi ;)

Well it sounds like your knocking the hell out of them! The BC HB I have in stock have a cannelure and I have been using BC bullets for 25 years and I have never had any leading problem and after loading 1000 rds I don't have moly all over my work bench and very little on my hands. If I were loading for velocities over 1400 fps I would want a harder bullet but for SASS BC work just fine! 

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55 minutes ago, Von Dutch, SASS # 7995 said:

Well it sounds like your knocking the hell out of them! The BC HB I have in stock have a cannelure and I have been using BC bullets for 25 years and I have never had any leading problem and after loading 1000 rds I don't have moly all over my work bench and very little on my hands. If I were loading for velocities over 1400 fps I would want a harder bullet but for SASS BC work just fine! 

Okay whatever.  Maybe don't highjack threads concerning competitors products.

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Soft cast for me, coated or not. I definitely get leading when using hard cast. Not as much with coated, but I do get a fouling in my pistols for 3 inches mid barrel which requires a bronze brush to remove . With soft cast after several matches, I get a bit of unburned powder and a little carbon.

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42 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said:

Soft cast for me, coated or not. I definitely get leading when using hard cast. Not as much with coated, but I do get a fouling in my pistols for 3 inches mid barrel which requires a bronze brush to remove . With soft cast after several matches, I get a bit of unburned powder and a little carbon.

Humbly, you should not get any fouling with Procast Bullets, ever.  9mm is the hardest caliber to shoot lead with and one of our Glock test guns has well over 15,000 rounds without leading.  And you're not supposed to be able to shoot lead in Glocks at all.  We've tested to 2400fps in a 450BM with zero trace of leading.    We leaded up some barrels so badly when researching our coating that I had to hammer a Lewis Lead remover through the barrel for literally hours before I got it out.  CLEAN-MOLY just works.

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Posted
18 minutes ago, Squib Kidd said:

And you're not supposed to be able to shoot lead in Glocks at all. 

Back in the mid 90s IIRC, A Glock representative actually got an attitude with me for shooting cast lead ammo. 

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My recollection is that the originals had a polygonal barrel and you weren't supposed to shoot cast.  Don't have one, never liked them after the first time I shot one.

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I had a Glock 23 blow up in my hand shooting cast lead bullets. They were loaded by Illinois State Police for use in their guns and Illinois Dept of Corrections for practice.

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29 minutes ago, DeaconKC said:

I had a Glock 23 blow up in my hand shooting cast lead bullets. They were loaded by Illinois State Police for use in their guns and Illinois Dept of Corrections for practice.

Wow, pretty sure that's what mine was.

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On 1/24/2025 at 5:49 PM, Eyesa Horg said:

Back in the mid 90s IIRC, A Glock representative actually got an attitude with me for shooting cast lead ammo. 

Hahaha!  Yeah a lot of shooters use lead in glocks.

On 1/24/2025 at 7:38 PM, DeaconKC said:

I had a Glock 23 blow up in my hand shooting cast lead bullets. They were loaded by Illinois State Police for use in their guns and Illinois Dept of Corrections for practice.

That had to have been a double charge???

 

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15 hours ago, Squib Kidd said:

Hahaha!  Yeah a lot of shooters use lead in glocks.

That had to have been a double charge???

 

Nope, that occurred in many places. Cast bullets in the .40s especially were a terrible combination. ISP had reloaded for decades for their S&W 9mms for practice ammo, but the S&Ws had cut rifling. The Glocks, having polygonal rifling, hate cast bullets. This is not just Glocks but H&Ks and some Kahrs too. Plated and jacketed bullets run great.

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1 hour ago, DeaconKC said:

Nope, that occurred in many places. Cast bullets in the .40s especially were a terrible combination. ISP had reloaded for decades for their S&W 9mms for practice ammo, but the S&Ws had cut rifling. The Glocks, having polygonal rifling, hate cast bullets. This is not just Glocks but H&Ks and some Kahrs too. Plated and jacketed bullets run great.

Wow, interesting.  A little hard to swallow, but why would you make it up, right?  I believe you, but my brain can't make sense of it.  What's the science behind it?  What made them overpressure?

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3 hours ago, Squib Kidd said:

Wow, interesting.  A little hard to swallow, but why would you make it up, right?  I believe you, but my brain can't make sense of it.  What's the science behind it?  What made them overpressure?

Lead build up in the barrels, weirdly the worst offender in .40 was a cast 180 grain FP bullet over Accurate #5 powder. I'm just grateful Glock makes a tough gun because it split the breech area and blew the magazine completely out of the gun. I admit it scared me to death.

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If the Glock barrels were cleaned after a couple of sessions no issues. But if you let it build up, not good.  They should do better with today's hitek coated bullets though.  Are the 192gr 45 swc bullets something shooters have asked for? As opposed to the standard 200gr 45acps.

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16 hours ago, DeaconKC said:

Lead build up in the barrels, weirdly the worst offender in .40 was a cast 180 grain FP bullet over Accurate #5 powder. I'm just grateful Glock makes a tough gun because it split the breech area and blew the magazine completely out of the gun. I admit it scared me to death.

Oh geeze.  We get absolutely zero leading in our glock.  It's had over 15,000 of our bullets through it.  We also have a Shadow Systems (GLOCK COPY) that my son shoots IDPA with, no leading there either.  Just a little build up in the comp sometimes, which gets blown out.

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13 hours ago, Smokin Gator SASS #29736 said:

If the Glock barrels were cleaned after a couple of sessions no issues. But if you let it build up, not good.  They should do better with today's hitek coated bullets though.  Are the 192gr 45 swc bullets something shooters have asked for? As opposed to the standard 200gr 45acps.

We invented a new proprietary bullet coating (CLEAN-MOLY) which is a biopolymer with molybdenum disulfide in it .  The biopolymer burns away clean and the moly is the lube.  We get absolutely zero leading in all of our test firearms.  We tested our 40cal bullet in a couple carbines (the longer barrel tests the resolve of the bullet coating).  One was a TNW 10mm carbine (10mm is a spicy 40cal) which had the roughest cut barrel I've ever seen.  It did not lead.  The other is a Kriss Vector CRB in 10mm and we get zero leading there.  Sounds like I should get a Glock in 40 and test with it.  Although a 40 cal Glock is not a gun I'm too excited to own, lol.  Maybe I can find someone with one at my local club that will let me do some testing.  Through those two carbines we chrono'd the 40's at 1750fps (over pressured) without even the slightest leading.

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Posted (edited)

I ordered from them Feb. 24th with no issues. (Oops... Jan.24) 

I'm excited to try the hollow base .38's in my pocket pistol.

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7 minutes ago, Ya Big Tree said:

I ordered from them Feb. 24th with no issues.

I'm excited to try the hollow base .38's in my pocket pistol.

Hey Tree, can I borrow your time machine? :lol:

 

I'm looking forward to trying those in my '61 conversion with .370 bore.  I'm hoping the hardness of the bullet doesn't prevent the hollow base from expanding.

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15 hours ago, Smokin Gator SASS #29736 said:

If the Glock barrels were cleaned after a couple of sessions no issues. But if you let it build up, not good.  They should do better with today's hitek coated bullets though.  Are the 192gr 45 swc bullets something shooters have asked for? As opposed to the standard 200gr 45acps.

The 45SWC's are primarily designed for 45acp shooters, bullseye shooters, USPSA, IDPA.  They always feed, shoot great, and cut a really nice hold in a target to score.  If there is a cardboard backing the hole looks like someone used a giant paper punch to cut a hole.  We made them lighter than standard 230g to keep shooter's costs down.  Plus, pistols like Colt Gold Cups and other "Target" 1911s seem to like the 192g. 

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46 minutes ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said:

Hey Tree, can I borrow your time machine? :lol:

 

I'm looking forward to trying those in my '61 conversion with .370 bore.  I'm hoping the hardness of the bullet doesn't prevent the hollow base from expanding.

.012 is a lot of space to fill up.  They expand, but that is asking a lot.  Be careful please.

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THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO IS ORDERING BULLETS!!!  WOW!

 

We're working to get all these orders out as fast as possible!

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59 minutes ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said:

Hey Tree, can I borrow your time machine? :lol:

 

I'm looking forward to trying those in my '61 conversion with .370 bore.  I'm hoping the hardness of the bullet doesn't prevent the hollow base from expanding.

 

Gotta wait a month for the check to clear. :D

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Just an FYI. Glock stopped using polygonal rifling when the Gen 5 was released. (2017/18 time frame.)

 

The cast lead bullet warning was issued by Glock after several barrel failures.  The most likely cause was bullets that were not quite hard enough to prevent stripping out. Bullets that were of sufficient hardness and properly sized for the barrel would not have this problem. Similar to the same belief that microgroove barrels will not shoot accurately with cast lead bullets.

 

In both cases the problem is cause because the shooter was using a bullet that was too soft, undersized, too hard, or some combination of all three for the chosen velocity. This explains why one shooter experienced the problem and another never did. 

 

Way to many shooters don't fully comprehend the importance of choosing the correct alloy and bullet size for their chosen application.  Most just accept that barrel leading is a given when it doesn't have to be.

 

Even fewer shooters understand the importance of choosing the correct bullet lube.   

 

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7 hours ago, Squib Kidd said:

The 45SWC's are primarily designed for 45acp shooters, bullseye shooters, USPSA, IDPA.  They always feed, shoot great, and cut a really nice hold in a target to score.  If there is a cardboard backing the hole looks like someone used a giant paper punch to cut a hole.  We made them lighter than standard 230g to keep shooter's costs down.  Plus, pistols like Colt Gold Cups and other "Target" 1911s seem to like the 192g. 

 

I've been shooting 45acp swc coated bullets in my 1911s for USPSA. Most who compete with 45acp shoot 230gr rn and some like the 200gr swc. Very rare to see someone use the lighter 180-185gr swc. I've never seen the 192s before. Might have to slightly adjust powder charge to make sure you're making power factor although I don't cut it close anyway. No leading for me with the hitek coating.

 

I've seen similar results for velocities by those using the coated bullets in rifle calibers.

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Smokin Gator,

 

My plan with the 192 was to be a lighter, cheaper to shoot bullet.  But you're right about most guys shooting heavier stuff.  I thought I may have made a mistake in my choice, until I shot them.  Through my Colt 1911 Government with a NM barrel I didn't even do any load work up and got bullseye level accuracy right off the get go.  So I stopped there with my R&D for the 45.  They shoot just as good out of my S&W 625 JM.  And while not a recommended bullet for 450BM, accuracy at 50 was acceptable when we were testing for velocity ceiling, which I think is going to be higher than the 2400fps we achieved.

 

I can't knock HI Tec.  I have had some color left in my barrel but that's no big deal.  But the process to coat is painful.  First you wet tumble with acetone, then the bullets need to dry for 15 mins to 4 hours before being baked for like 18 mins.  Then you do two more coats. 

 

We heat our bullets and tumble/spray them.  Heating takes about 30 mins for a bucket with 3 batches of about 10,000 bullets. Then each batch of 10,000 takes about 3 minutes to spray.  And it only requires one coat.  That was my primary reason for taking the time to invent something new.  Formulations took more than a year and a half to perfect.  I nearly gave up a dozen times, but I got it.

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Nice to see that folks actually read the Cowboy Chronicle and pay attention to the vendors that are innovating for our sport! 

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Well!!  The wait is over.  Received my order of Pro Cast 97Gr .38s!!  Wowzers!!  These are really nice bullets.  Now if it would just warm up a little around this end of the swamp so I could get out a shoot some!!  If Mike and Pro Cast make a .430 44 of the same design, I can't wait!!!

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Yep. Got mine yesterday.  Cute little buggers…..

 

Sam Sackett 

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Posted
6 hours ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:

  If Mike and Pro Cast make a .430 44 of the same design, I can't wait!!!

Definitely keeping my eyes out for these as well. 

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