American Primeval

[Windy City Kid]

New limited series on Netflix about the expansion and control of the Utah territory in 1857. The setting, the clothes, and the firearms are great! This is not a glorified depiction of the west. I’m on episode 3 and I think there have been 150+ deaths so far. Brutal. Had no idea about the Mormon Militia. 

[DukeSoprano]

We watched the first episode Thursday night and watched all the rest last night!

My wife had been Mormon. when she was a child, between getting my digs in about the way they acted in the show and every time I got to comment about how women don't LISTEN! It was a great watch!

 

Hope to meet you soon Windy!

I am in Rockford

[Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474]

Sleeping on the couch are we?

[TN Mongo, SASS #61450]

As an old Advanced Placement U.S. History teacher, and Western history nut, I love this series. The history of the LDS Church is very interesting and seldom taught part of American history.

[Dutch Nichols, SASS #6461]

The wagon train attack was spot on. The only thing they got wrong ,probably as it was already intense, is that the Mormon's ordered small children be spared. These children were then adopted into LDS families and raised as their own !!

 I remember reading a story about how one wagon train after the Indians attacked. Mormon riders came in and told the train folks that they were at peace with the local Indians and could halt the attack and guide them thru. Only conditions were all weapons were to be in one wagon under Mormon control. Guess how that worked out?!

[J-BAR #18287]

I binged all 6 episodes today.  This is a grim, bloody production.  Kim Coates is a wonderful villain, (the gunfighter in a derby in "Open Range ") who cares if he's stereotyped.  Trying to decide if I enjoyed it...not really but it's hard to stop watching;  kinda like watching the California wildfires.

Edited January 14 by J-BAR #18287

[watab kid]

sounds like pone i need to watch , 

[Oak Ridge Regulator]

Only thing that kind of was kind of off was the wolves attacking the two kids in the building and not touching the two horses tied up out front, don’t think that would have happened, other than that it wasent a bad flick

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

On 1/11/2025 at 12:20 PM, TN Mongo, SASS #61450 said:

As an old Advanced Placement U.S. History teacher, and Western history nut, I love this series. The history of the LDS Church is very interesting and seldom taught part of American history.

Often it is deliberately passed over because of the many atrocities performed against the Mormons by "Gentiles" that would embarrass a lot of people who were not even alive at the time, but whose forebears were.

 

A lot were commmitted by Federal, and / or state troops, and even more by mobs with no control and no authority.

 

The true history is fascinating and very interesting.

 

My mother's family was deeply involved, both as recipients and avengers.

[Blackwater 53393]

Much was done wrong by both sides! Having read and studied the period and the area, it would seem best in my mind to accept that nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong and there was plenty of blame to go around.

 

It is past and cannot be undone! Learn from the mistakes, (something too many are unwilling to do) don’t make them again, and move on!!

[Irish Pat]

Well John Browning and Marie Osmond are Mormons so that can’t all be bad. A friend of mine refers to Mormons as “jesus the western”

[watab kid]

i dont know a lot about this situation , im looking forward to watching it , what i do know is that the mormons started a trek from the east to the wast to escape persecution in the civilized part of this country that was settled by those escaping persecution from the old country across the atlantic , i found that interesting in my younger life but not enough to research and study it , 

 

i didnt think much of it until i met my current wife who has family in idaho going back quite a few generations , so i had occasion but didnt take the time then , now im reinterested , so i will , ive remembered all the comments and responses to my questions regarding the mormons that came up in conversations with folks out there , 

i also need to inject here that i grew up with a family of mormons living next door , nice people of very affluent means , then while in college a friend and i let the door knocking LDS missionaries speak to us one evening to find out a bit more of them , i dont recall being overly influenced by either encounter , 

 

i was aware of the meadow mountain massacre from back as a young person because my grandfather was a history buff and instilled it in me , but i was led to believe it was indians more than the mormons , im sure that had to do with the history of the time im looking forward to learning more 

[Buckshot Bear]

Watched the first one and looking forward to seeing the rest. 

[Pat Riot]

I may watch this series, but will refrain from commenting on my religious views and those of others. 
 

I recall the mini series Riders of the Purple Sage back in the 80’s. Though I cannot recall any details of the show I do recall the bad blood and animosity that occurred at work amongst folks that were Mormon and those that were not, but felt that everyone needed to know their views on the matter. 
Truthfully, I do not know the history of the Mormons and then, as in now, I keep my trap shut about Hollywood depictions of history. 

[Buckshot Bear]

I'm enjoying it.....though its pretty dark and very vicious.

 

Have they taken much liberty with the Mormon Militia Vs the U.S Military? 

I've read a lot of Western History and never read anything as volatile as this before.

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

5 hours ago, Buckshot Bear said:

I'm enjoying it.....though its pretty dark and very vicious.

 

Have they taken much liberty with the Mormon Militia Vs the U.S Military? 

I've read a lot of Western History and never read anything as volatile as this before.

Look up Johnston's Army.  Federal troops came to Utah to put down the Mormons and polygamy and to disarm the Mormons, three  violations of the Bill of Rights.

[Whitey James]

I just watched the first episode and all I can say is....WOW! Very well done. Looking forward to finishing this.

[Sundog]

Based on this thread, I watched the series.  Pretty rough western but it was very good and realistically "period-correct".

 

This week, I stopped at a fellow's house located in my territory (had some previous Medicare dealings with his daughter about two years ago).  During the course of our discussions that day, the series American Primeval came up which he had previously viewed, and he had some rather strange comments about it.  He told me to ask somebody named "Furlong" what he thought about a female poster that was on the SASS forum many years ago.  This fellow indicated that this female poster would be inebriated on the weekends, get on the forum, and begin verbally expressing quite a harsh disdain for Mormons, which there were many located in her vicinity.    He also said that nobody knew exactly why, but she would go off on these vicious rants about the Mormons.

 

This fellow said her SASS alias was "Judy Longlegs", but I can neither find her name listed on the SASS forum, nor the alias "Furlong", a guy that apparently did not get along with her very well.  (Both may have just dropped out of SASS.)  He said that back then, the SASS forum was like the wild west and was quite untamed.    BTW, the fellow That I spoke with was the person that initially steered me to SASS after I told him two years ago about a restaurant conversation that I had previously overheard from some SA shooters sitting at the next table. 

 

Anyway, I sure hope that Peter Berg produces a sequel or another version of American Primeval. real soon.

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

On 1/14/2025 at 9:32 PM, Irish Pat said:

Well John Browning and Marie Osmond are Mormons so that can’t all be bad. A friend of mine refers to Mormons as “jesus the western”

We used to watch the Osmonds before they were "The Osmonds".  They would go around singing in local Wards from time to time.

[Dantankerous]

On 1/15/2025 at 10:40 AM, Pat Riot said:

...I keep my trap shut about Hollywood depictions of history.

Don't you mean Hollywood depredation of history? Or ar least Hollywood defecation on history?

 

😁

[irish ike, SASS #43615]

I always found it interesting. Christians killing Christians to prove they were the best/right Christians!

[Pat Riot]

I started watching American Primeval and turned it off toward the end of the first episode. I seriously doubt reality was anything like that at all. 
I may watch again, but I doubt it. 

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

On 1/14/2025 at 9:32 PM, Irish Pat said:

Well John Browning and Marie Osmond are Mormons so that can’t all be bad. A friend of mine refers to Mormons as “jesus the western”

Why "the western"?  The church was founded in New Yawk.

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

1 hour ago, irish ike, SASS #43615 said:

I always found it interesting. Christians killing Christians to prove they were the best/right Christians!

Goes back to beginning of humans:  "my God can whip your God" and then the killing starts.