1923

[Rye Miles #13621]

Anyone watch 1923 ? It was on last night on Paramount (not +) Pretty good so far. 
The Catholic school looked pretty brutal. I wonder if that’s true? 

Edited December 9, 2024 by Rye Miles #13621

[Mossy Horn Gent]

Found this quote:

 

"By 1926, more than 80% of Indigenous school-age children—over 60,000 children—were attending boarding schools run by the federal government or by religious organizations, according to the National Native American Boarding School Healing Coalition. 

At least 74 marked and unmarked burial sites at 65 different schools across the federal system are identified in the report, which nearly doubles the number of Indigenous children who died while attending boarding schools. 

Researchers have confirmed that at least 973 Indigenous children died in schools operated or supported by the federal government. Individual causes of death were not specified but the report said they included disease and abuse.

These figures are an undercount. As the report acknowledges, the actual number of children who died and the number of potential burial sites is greater."

 

They did exist and now are becoming known for the abuse. There is a recent documentary called, "Sugarcane" that that investigates the death of the children.

 

1923 focusses on one of these schools located in Idaho attended by an ancestor of Chief Thomas Rainwater in the show Yellowstone.

[Hashknife Cowboy]

I met an Elder of a AZ Tribe who shared the stories of the beatings as a young boy which caused him to walk home about 200 miles.  Yes, I believe it was true....

[Rye Miles #13621]

Anyone watching this? I thought it was okay but the last episode was kind of boring. Just MHO 

Edited December 16, 2024 by Rye Miles #13621

[Dantankerous]

We watched it and very much enjoyed it. I hope Taylor Sheridan gets around to doing a second season. That man has too many irons in the fire it seems.

[Chantry]

1 hour ago, Dantankerous said:

We watched it and very much enjoyed it. I hope Taylor Sheridan gets around to doing a second season. That man has too many irons in the fire it seems.

 

Season 2 is supposed to start February 23 on Paramount+

[Texas Maverick]

On 12/9/2024 at 6:29 AM, Rye Miles #13621 said:

Anyone watch 1923 ? It was on last night on Paramount (not +) Pretty good so far. 
The Catholic school looked pretty brutal. I wonder if that’s true? 

It is season 1 and was a good series. Season 2 will be out in 2025.

 

TM

[Texas Maverick]

1 hour ago, Dantankerous said:

We watched it and very much enjoyed it. I hope Taylor Sheridan gets around to doing a second season. That man has too many irons in the fire it seems.

Season 2 beginning of next year and he is now going to start another series with Beth and Rip continuing with some of the Yellowstone crew.

 

TM

[Rye Miles #13621]

55 minutes ago, Texas Maverick said:

It is season 1 and was a good series. Season 2 will be out in 2025.

 

TM

Yes I’m watching season 1 now but it’s kinda boring. That whole thing with the nuns is disturbing. 

[irish ike, SASS #43615]

We have the Stewart Indian School in Carson City!  It's been abandoned and now several buildings are being converted to some City uses. There is a museum.  I did some design work there to create some offices. The work was going to be done by Inmates from the prison.  The place has a weird vibe to it. 

 

And yes the truth is the religious schools beat the righteousness into the kids. All the schools role was to educate, reading and writing English, and also to make them abandon their language, religion,  and "instill" the white culture into them.

 

Not good places for kids at all.

[Texas Maverick]

49 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

Yes I’m watching season 1 now but it’s kinda boring. That whole thing with the nuns is disturbing. 

Yes, it is. We have heard from a few different people that it is pretty period correct on how they handled the Indian children.

 

TM

[Anvil Al #59168]

Season 1 gets better as it goes.

 

So, I'm looking forward to season 2.

[Rye Miles #13621]

3 hours ago, Texas Maverick said:

Yes, it is. We have heard from a few different people that it is pretty period correct on how they handled the Indian children.

 

TM

I know it’s correct and it happened but Im just saying it’s disturbing and pretty disgusting too. 

[Sedalia Dave]

On 12/9/2024 at 6:29 AM, Rye Miles #13621 said:

Anyone watch 1923 ? It was on last night on Paramount (not +) Pretty good so far. 
The Catholic school looked pretty brutal. I wonder if that’s true? 

 

Much worse in real life.

 

While the physical abuse as mostly fallen by the wayside, the verbal and emotional abuse has diminished very little. Religious discrimination is rampant within the parochial schools on the reservation. Imagine between having to choose between your heritage or a decent education.

[Sedalia Dave]

5 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

Much worse in real life.

 

While the physical abuse as mostly fallen by the wayside, the verbal and emotional abuse has diminished very little. Religious discrimination is rampant within the parochial schools on the reservation. Imagine between having to choose between your heritage or a decent education.

 

I will give the Pope a measure of respect as he did finally acknowledge and apologize for the brutality and atrocities committed in the "Indian Schools" operated by the Catholic Church.

 

Many other religions that were as bad or worse have refused to own up to the atrocities they committed.

 

Edited December 17, 2024 by Sedalia Dave

[Choctaw Jack]

When I attended junior high in late 1960's , the school was adjacent to a BIA (Beaureau of Indian Affairs ) boarding school.

Some of my friends were taken from their homes on the reservation and didn't see their families for months, and in a couple of instances, years.

I didn't  hear many stories of physical abuse, but the mental and psychological  abuse was every bit as bad, and probably worse.

It wasn't any specific religious sect, but our own government that was the abuser.

Choctaw

[Rip Snorter]

I don't have the experience you do, and there are even family stories about an ancestor having married an Indian, which I will not claim without a genetic test, though I have a passed down beaded pouch.  What do you do?  The dominant population then, even call them invaders as has been the case through the recorded history of the world, are far more technologically advanced.  Cross cultural comparisons are always problematic.  Leave a post stone age society behind, or do your best to try and bring them along?  My rancher friend's grandfather was still fighting Indians on occasion here in Montana.  Scan world history!

[Sedalia Dave]

38 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said:

I don't have the experience you do, and there are even family stories about an ancestor having married an Indian, which I will not claim without a genetic test, though I have a passed down beaded pouch.  What do you do?  The dominant population then, even call them invaders as has been the case through the recorded history of the world, are far more technologically advanced.  Cross cultural comparisons are always problematic.  Leave a post stone age society behind, or do your best to try and bring them along?  My rancher friend's grandfather was still fighting Indians on occasion here in Montana.  Scan world history!

 

I have studied history and had many conversation with those that lived through it.

 

America's approach to Native Americans after the Civil was to "Kill the Indian and save the man". In practice what was done was akin to Genocide. Definitely not our finest hour.

[Rip Snorter]

43 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

I have studied history and had many conversation with those that lived through it.

 

America's approach to Native Americans after the Civil was to "Kill the Indian and save the man". In practice what was done was akin to Genocide. Definitely not our finest hour.

And of course, they were Saints as modern revisionists like to characterize them - read  the "after reports" of some of  their successful attacks on civilian interlopers.  Equal to many recorded atrocities through history.  Believe what you will, history has many facets and pages.  Look at an analogous situation in south Africa - today's news - kill the people who built the country. Over and out!

[Rye Miles #13621]

7 hours ago, Rip Snorter said:

And of course, they were Saints as modern revisionists like to characterize them - read  the "after reports" of some of  their successful attacks on civilian interlopers.  Equal to many recorded atrocities through history.  Believe what you will, history has many facets and pages.  Look at an analogous situation in south Africa - today's news - kill the people who built the country. Over and out!

Yep and Indian tribes were killing and torturing each other long before the white man set foot on this land,

[Capt. R. Hugh Kidnme]

1 hour ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

Yep and Indian tribes were killing and torturing each other long before the white man set foot on this land,

You forgot enslaving each other.