CEO killed

[Rye Miles #13621]

Interesting writing in the empty shell casings

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-clue-on-bullet-casings-updates-on-manhunt-for-gunman-who-killed-unitedhealthcare-ceo/ar-AA1vkeJq

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by Rye Miles #13621

[Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485]

Somebody got their claim denied.

[Capt. James H. Callahan]

If the so called news outlets are reporting it there's at least a 95% probability of

[Cypress Sun]

My gal made me watch some "highlights" of a show on something called News Nation and a show called Ashley Banfield. It featured a pair of so-called gun experts.

 

One of them (the guy on the left of the woman) declared that there was a difference between a "suppressor" and a "silencer". Beyond that, he did not demonstrate any other expertise but at least he did not demonstrate any unsafe actions.

 

The guy on her right (some guy named Steve Wolf) demonstrated complete, idiotic, unsafe handling of firearms. Using live ammo, he repeatedly chambered live rounds into (what appeared to be) a SIG firearm....with his left hand in FRONT of the muzzle of the firearm. Any REAL firearms expert would have used overtly obvious dummy rounds to demonstrate the same actions.

 

IMO, the shooter was clearly an amateur and not a professional "hit man"...or woman. The show's so-called "expert" was not a professional either. Jeez, where do they get these people.

 

 

[Rye Miles #13621]

44 minutes ago, Capt. James H. Callahan said:

If the so called news outlets are reporting it there's at least a 95% probability of

All the news outlets are reporting the writings on the shell casings that’s info from the LEO’s investigation so it’s not bullcrap!

Edited December 5, 2024 by Rye Miles #13621

[Rye Miles #13621]

5 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said:

My gal made me watch some "highlights" of a show on something called News Nation and a show called Ashley Banfield. It featured a pair of so-called gun experts.

 

One of them (the guy on the left of the woman) declared that there was a difference between a "suppressor" and a "silencer". Beyond that, he did not demonstrate any other expertise but at least he did not demonstrate any unsafe actions.

 

The guy on her right (some guy named Steve Wolf) demonstrated complete, idiotic, unsafe handling of firearms. Using live ammo, he repeatedly chambered live rounds into (what appeared to be) a SIG firearm....with his left hand in FRONT of the muzzle of the firearm. Any REAL firearms expert would have used overtly obvious dummy rounds to demonstrate the same actions.

 

IMO, the shooter was clearly an amateur and not a professional "hit man"...or woman. The show's so-called "expert" was not a professional either. Jeez, where do they get these people.

 

 

Some of the news channels are reporting that the BULLETS have writing on them! 🙄🙄🙄🙄😂

[Cypress Sun]

Just now, Rye Miles #13621 said:

All the news outlets are reporting the writings on the shell casings that’s info from the LEO’s investigation donuts not bullcrap!

 

Shooter obviously did not plan of ejecting live rounds due to his, or her, failure to test the ammo prior to committing the murder. Clearly a mistake on the shooter's part. The writing on the live, ejected rounds (IMO) could either be an attempt to make law enforcement to believe that it's a personal vendetta, trying to throw them off...or it could be a personal vendetta.

 

Deny, Defend and Depose on the live ammo...wonder if there was anything written on the spent shells.

[Cypress Sun]

6 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

Some of the news channels are reporting that the BULLETS have writing on them! 🙄🙄🙄🙄😂

 

I was under the impression that the live, ejected rounds had writing on them. I didn't know it was the actual bullets, not the brass, had writing on them.

Edited December 5, 2024 by Cypress Sun

[John Kloehr]

From CNN, the words "delay" and "depose" were written on casings. "Defend" is also reported by some outlets. The ejected live round had one of the words, a casing had another. If the third word is there, other outlets report is is also on an expended case. As a result of the writing, CNN reports a "motive is unclear."

 

Also reported is the shooter appears to be an "experienced marksman." This I guess based on one of the shots hitting the victim's calf. Also the shooter being familiar with firearms due to his outfitting it with a suppressor and having to clear a gun jam on every shot...

 

I do expect identification of the shooter soon. I suspect a bit of digging will show someone close to him was denied health coverage by the CEOs company. This will cement a charge of pre-meditated murder.

[Tex Jones, SASS 2263]

The latest theory by some "experts" is that the firearm is possibly a B &T VP9 pistol with an integral "silencer", an update of the Welrod design used in WW II. 

[Wyatt Earp SASS#1628L]

Latest info states he and his wife live in separate residences about a mile apart. My money is on the wife hiring the hit.

[Rye Miles #13621]

31 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said:

 

I was under the impression that the live, ejected rounds had writing on them. I didn't know it was the actual bullets, not the brass, had writing on them.

It’s not the actual bullets, those are inside the victim!! I was pointing out how the media refers to bullets instead of shell casings. The ejected rounds that were not fired could have the writing on the cases though but they said” spent” cases. 

[Capt. James H. Callahan]

Does anyone remember the last time the "news" got anything right regarding firearms??????

Until something is confirmed (however that may be) I'm still calling

[Widder, SASS #59054]

This is New York...... so this will  be his defense:

 

The CEO hired him to stage a 'fake' shooting and pretend to gun him down in front of what they both knew was

a camera.   Somebody, somehow, replaced the 'blanks' with real ammo, which became a fatal 'accident'.

Because this was staged in front of the known camera, the installer/owner of the camera will be found 'liable'

and charged accordingly........... which in New York will probably be a light misdemeanor.

 

but first, the NY AG will find out if the camera is owned by a  Democrat or Republican, which will determine the final charges.

 

...........Widder

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by Widder, SASS #59054

[Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485]

Some suppressed weapons do not cycle on purpose. they are quieter. It could be he had to manually cycle the gun every shot.  

[Capt. James H. Callahan]

You know heads are spinning all over the "news" media trying to figure out how to blame it on the incoming president.

JHC

 

[Dantankerous]

Was Alec Baldwin somehow involved here?

[Widder, SASS #59054]

16 minutes ago, Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485 said:

Some suppressed weapons do not cycle on purpose. they are quieter. It could be he had to manually cycle the gun every shot.  

 

Thats my understanding, particularly if a semi-auto is set up with the correct springs, it can be 

fixed as to not eject the empties.

 

But heck, if a person is gonna go to the trouble of changing springs, suppressor, etc...... he/she would

be better off using a revolver.   If it was early in the morning, the noise wouldn't be a big factor anyhow.

 

..........Widder

 

[Windy City Kid]

5.2, spotters say clean, way to stay with it. (too soon?)

Edited December 5, 2024 by Windy City Kid

[Badlands Bob #61228]

Effective, but sloppy hit.  I'd give it a C+ only because the victim ended up dead.  Getting caught on camera and leaving shell casings/bullets and possibly a cell phone behind is the mark of an amateur.  Riding away on some rental bicycle/scooter is sloppy too.   Too many leads left for the police to follow up on.  

[Rye Miles #13621]

27 minutes ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said:

Effective, but sloppy hit.  I'd give it a C+ only because the victim ended up dead.  Getting caught on camera and leaving shell casings/bullets and possibly a cell phone behind is the mark of an amateur.  Riding away on some rental bicycle/scooter is sloppy too.   Too many leads left for the police to follow up on.  

They’ve got some new pics of this guy. Just saw them on Fox.

https://www.oregonlive.com/business/2024/12/new-photos-show-face-of-suspected-killer-of-insurance-company-ceo.html

Edited December 5, 2024 by Rye Miles #13621

[Pat Riot]

Casings = Cases?

 

 

[Badlands Bob #61228]

10 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

They’ve got some new pics of this guy. Just saw them on Fox.

https://www.oregonlive.com/business/2024/12/new-photos-show-face-of-suspected-killer-of-insurance-company-ceo.html

If this amateur went to Starbucks for his morning coffee fix prior to the hit, there is also a Starbucks coffee cup laying around somewhere with his DNA on it.  

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

1 hour ago, Dantankerous said:

Was Alec Baldwin somehow involved here?

I dunno.  Is that raging a-----e still alive?

[Chantry]

The pistol used is allegedly a B&T VP9:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brügger_%26_Thomet_VP9 and is made in Switzerland and imported into the USA

 

It's supposed to be a copy of the WWII British Welrod and it's a magazine fed bolt action handgun.  The NY Post video clip of the shooter working the action appears consistent with a bolt action handgun.

 

An odd weapon, that should be easily traceable, since it is considered a Class III weapon.

 

How did the killer know the CEO was going to be in NYC?

How did the killer know the CEO was going to go to that hotel that morning?

 

Very odd crime, parts of it seemed well planned, like the bicycle into Central Park and the shooter disappearing from there or the fake id.

 

Other parts are very sloppy, such as leaving fingerprints (probably on the shell casings), possible DNA and allowing his face to be seen.

[Capt. James H. Callahan]

49 minutes ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said:

If this amateur went to Starbucks for his morning coffee fix prior to the hit, there is also a Starbucks coffee cup laying around somewhere with his DNA on it.  

First pic looks like a woman. Second pic he gained a lot of weight an picked up a backpack.

JHC

[Capt. James H. Callahan]

22 minutes ago, Chantry said:

The pistol used is allegedly a B&T VP9:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brügger_%26_Thomet_VP9 and is made in Switzerland and imported into the USA

 

It's supposed to be a copy of the WWII British Welrod and it's a magazine fed bolt action handgun.  The NY Post video clip of the shooter working the action appears consistent with a bolt action handgun.

 

An odd weapon, that should be easily traceable, since it is considered a Class III weapon.

 

How did the killer know the CEO was going to be in NYC?

How did the killer know the CEO was going to go to that hotel that morning?

 

Very odd crime, parts of it seemed well planned, like the bicycle into Central Park and the shooter disappearing from there or the fake id.

 

Other parts are very sloppy, such as leaving fingerprints (probably on the shell casings), possible DNA and allowing his face to be seen.

If they don't have a suspect or a murder weapon how do they know it was some off the wall obscure weapon  most of us gun people never heard of? Smells more and more like

[Tex Jones, SASS 2263]

 

This is one version of the B&T pistol.  As it's a Class III firearm, tracing ownership may be easier.

Edited December 5, 2024 by Tex Jones, SASS 2263

[Capt. James H. Callahan]

Allegedly,

JHC

[Chantry]

39 minutes ago, Capt. James H. Callahan said:

If they don't have a suspect or a murder weapon how do they know it was some off the wall obscure weapon  most of us gun people never heard of? Smells more and more like

 

From the NY Post and the video they of the shooter firing the gun is consistent with a bolt action mechanism.

[Rye Miles #13621]

2 hours ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said:

If this amateur went to Starbucks for his morning coffee fix prior to the hit, there is also a Starbucks coffee cup laying around somewhere with his DNA on it.  

He bought a water.

[Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485]

Gun Jesus says it's not a B&T9

 

[watab kid]

9 hours ago, Cypress Sun said:

 

I was under the impression that the live, ejected rounds had writing on them. I didn't know it was the actual bullets, not the brass, had writing on them.

my understanding is the spent cases , 

[Rye Miles #13621]

47 minutes ago, watab kid said:

my understanding is the spent cases , 

That’s what’s I understand.

[watab kid]

30 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

That’s what’s I understand.

i think there is a lot more to know of this than what we may ever hear , todays journalists are way more into opinion pieces and the agenda , they wont dig into this - it will be too much work for them , all we woll hear os whayt the NYPD releases in efforts to clean that NY tarnish ............yes im a bit cynical of jounalism , and that goes back to the two classes i took in college in the early 70s so its not new ,