New to this Forum and CAS

[Kidd Carson]

Hi Doc,

 

"Oh, I'm fine with that hat, but did you have to steal Charlie Brown's shirt for your wild rag? He has a hard enough time as it is!

 

As for the Charlie Brown rag. That is funny. The picture was actually taken for Halloween. I was passing out candy and wanted to keep my colors of Maize and Blue. 

I promise I'll get a better picture and rag for the shooting action.

 

Allen

[Kidd Carson]

Cold Lake Kid - "

"Just step your left foot forward and pivot your body enough to pull, keeping the muzzle down, then point downrange and bring your foot back.

Likely videos on line demoing it or ask someone at the next match you attend to demo it."

 

I have watched many videos by Mordecai the Hunter, Saint Andrew, NSSF, Jokers Wild, Canadian Plinkers and many others. Learned a lot fro them.

 

With arthritis in my right wrist along with a couple of broken bones, the Calvary Twist is not a good one for me. So I use a Buscadero rig with a cross draw. Obviously this is a B Western setup for CAS and the Elder Statesman category.

I've been practicing with a "modified" Weaver stance for balance and ease of draw. Hips are also slightly turned to keep within the 170 degree rule. I re-holster the cross draw with my left hand over the top of the revolver and then a slight step forward for the right hand draw. Does not hurt anything with my body, and seems to work. We will see when I get to the actual matches and stages in April.

 

Thanks for the reply and hints

[Boggus Deal #64218]

3 hours ago, Kidd Carson said:

Cold Lake Kid - "

"Just step your left foot forward and pivot your body enough to pull, keeping the muzzle down, then point downrange and bring your foot back.

Likely videos on line demoing it or ask someone at the next match you attend to demo it."

 

I have watched many videos by Mordecai the Hunter, Saint Andrew, NSSF, Jokers Wild, Canadian Plinkers and many others. Learned a lot fro them.

 

With arthritis in my right wrist along with a couple of broken bones, the Calvary Twist is not a good one for me. So I use a Buscadero rig with a cross draw. Obviously this is a B Western setup for CAS and the Elder Statesman category.

I've been practicing with a "modified" Weaver stance for balance and ease of draw. Hips are also slightly turned to keep within the 170 degree rule. I re-holster the cross draw with my left hand over the top of the revolver and then a slight step forward for the right hand draw. Does not hurt anything with my body, and seems to work. We will see when I get to the actual matches and stages in April.

 

Thanks for the reply and hints

I could be wrong but I think a B Western rig has to be both strong side style holsters. No crossdraw.

[Texas Joker]

Instead of crossdraw try a cavalry draw. Rotate your hand palm outward, grasp the pistol. Draw and as you pull  rotate your hand palm toward body. By the time you clear leather your pistol Is oriented like it was strong side. No 170 break.

[Kidd Carson]

On 12/3/2024 at 7:38 AM, Boggus Deal #64218 said:

I could be wrong but I think a B Western rig has to be both strong side style holsters. No crossdraw.

Thanks for the reply.  Our club allows the cross-draw. They realize "old guys" like me have limitations. Several in the club Cross-draw. I also realize that many clubs are very strict with categories and holster styles. Since all of my shooting will be with our local club, I think I will be alright. The safety rules are strictly enforced, but Categories and dress codes are kinda loose. 

 

I have also read the SASS rule book many times - trying to figure things out. I think I'm within the rules, and since the club allows it - I'll do what I can. I do not trust my left hand shooting accurately or easily.  If it becomes an issue, I have 2 Galco holsters that can be placed on a waist belt at hip level and revolver handles "above" the belt.

 

Take care

[Kidd Carson]

On 12/3/2024 at 7:38 AM, Boggus Deal #64218 said:

I could be wrong but I think a B Western rig has to be both strong side style holsters. No crossdraw.

From PaleWolf dated May 21, 2023 -

 

"Edit to clarify - my question is whether a cross-draw holster is legal for B-Western?

YES...as long as it complies with all other category regs."

Edited December 5, 2024 by Kidd Carson

[Kidd Carson]

On 12/3/2024 at 7:38 AM, Boggus Deal #64218 said:

I could be wrong but I think a B Western rig has to be both strong side style holsters. No crossdraw.

From page 6 - SASS handbook dated January 1, 2024  Version 27.5

 

Duelist Category

Duelist – Duelist style is defined as shooting a revolver cocked and fired one-
handed and unsupported. The revolver, hand, or shooting arm may not be
touched by the offhand except when resolving a malfunctioning revolver problem
or when transferring the revolver from one hand to the other.
- Duelists may shoot one revolver right-handed and one revolver left-handed in
what is commonly referred to as “Double Duelist”. Double Duelist is NOT a
standalone shooting category.
- Duelist Rules:
o Any main match, fixed sight model revolver may be used.
o Any SASS legal main match shotgun and legal main match rifle may be
used.
o Any SASS legal ammunition may be used.
o Only duelist style or double duelist style may be used.
o The competitor shall not have two loaded revolvers in hand at once. (This
may be corrected before cocking either one without penalty.)
o Cross-draw holsters are allowed by any competitor shooting Duelist/Double Duelist style in any category.

 

So I guess the rules have changed over the years to help "Old Guys" like me shoot in CAS matches.

[Equanimous Phil]

29 minutes ago, Kidd Carson said:

"Edit to clarify - my question is whether a cross-draw holster is legal for B-Western?

YES...as long as it complies with all other category regs."

But it still has to be a drop holster (I doubt that a buscadero cross-draw holster exists).

[Kidd Carson]

55 minutes ago, Equanimous Phil said:

But it still has to be a drop holster (I doubt that a buscadero cross-draw holster exists).

Hi Phil,

 

Thanks for the reply. You are correct. BUT I Purchased a Buscadero/Drop Holster and then a Cross Draw holster that slides over the holster belt. I can position the Cross Draw at any location, while still meeting the 30 degree and 2 fist requirement/rule. Maybe I should take a picture of the rig??

[Equanimous Phil]

The grip has to be fully below the belt's top edge to be BW legal. Yes, a picture with holstered gun could be helpful. 

[Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L]

On 12/3/2024 at 3:19 AM, Kidd Carson said:

So I use a Buscadero rig with a cross draw. Obviously this is a B Western setup for CAS and the Elder Statesman category.

 

So you will be shooting in the Elder Stateman Category and not the B-Western Category, Correct?

Edited December 5, 2024 by Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L

[MizPete]

On 11/28/2024 at 10:50 AM, Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 said:

Just don't pick up the wrong gun and shoot the TV!!

My cousin Glenn did just that.  He said he'd been out in the yard shooting his bb gun when his mom called him in for lunch & to watch the Lone Ranger.  It seems that the Lone Ranger did not see the bad guys creeping up behind the rock, so he saved the Lone Ranger's life.  Mind you, this was back when not everybody had a TV.  Uncle Jack was NOT impressed with his marksmanship.

[WOLFY]

Welcome - 

[watab kid]

when i started this game i didnt fully get all the categories so i went with the age based - ive stuck with that , i know at least one shooter that shoots the catagory he can win in , often the only one shooting it , im not a competitor im a participant so ive stayed in my age based category - im here for the fun and fraternization , i dont question any others motives or intentions , go for what you want , 

 

welcome to the game 

[Kidd Carson]

Thanks Watab Kid and Wolfy for the warm welcome - It has been fun so far.  BUT I'm very, very new and still learning.  I feel like a kindergartner at this. Whew

 

Cowtown - Yes Age group - Elder Statesman. Like golf - the competition is with myself. Trying to be smooth, accurate and then better my times. I have read the Handbook many times and have it on my desktop for quick reference. Our CAS club here in Ludington, MIchigan is friendly and very helpful. Safety is the main and most important thing. Costumes, Categories and Shooting styles are pretty loose. But from what I've learned from them is my Category is correct and the shooting style will be Traditionalist.

 

Just trying to make sure I practice during the winter correctly to improve my smoothness. Safety and Accuracy are my most important issues right now. Times will improve as I get more time at the matches in 2025. I might travel to a few matches in Michigan to see how other clubs work and handle things.

 

My Thanks to ALL for their thoughts, opinions and replies.

 

KC

[Kidd Carson]

Assassin - Made this comment back in January 2022

 

"I've been shooting for CAS for over 25 years. There have always been more 2 handed shooters than Duelists.

There are also safety concerns. We can't write scenarios that force shooters to shoot one handed because everyone isn't capable of shooting one handed.

Just because they shot one handed in old movies doesn't mean they didn't use two hands in the old west.. Considering none of use were alive in the late 1800's is all speculation. It's all about having fun, don't over think things."

 

I could not reply to this post because it has been archived. It was an answer to why two handed shooting is allowed, and when did it happen. I can not answer any of those questions, but I agree with the statement - "everyone isn't capable of shooting one handed". I fall into that group. My poor old right wrist just can't handle 100 rounds shooting even with mild recoil.

 

I did notice that the New SASS handbook does not list "Traditional" as a shooting style anymore. Just Duelist or Gunfighter. Our club allows two handed shooting and I do not plan on shooting in any other matches - so it works for me. Might not be the shooting style some like, use or agree with, but works for others.

 

Again my thanks for ALL who have given an opinion or reply.

 

Take care, KC

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

Hey, Kidd.  Looks like you have made yourself at home here.  Now if you can master the way to cast  insults without really insulting anyone, you'll be a keeper.  Not a "bee keeper", but if you ever take that on I'll buy a pint of unfiltered raw clover honey a month...or maybe longer.