Oklahoma Dee Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 Shooter came to me on Saturday, during match, held two Shotgun shells out and asked if I had seen something like this before. Could not remember, but asked if I could take one and ask around about it. Brand new factory grey shotshells. He shoots a sxs, not sure of make or model. Last two rounds on the stage and targets went down. Do nto know if he had to extract them of they just fell out. I'm Just asking if anyone has seen this before. If so, thoughts, possibilities, Is it still possible that Oklahoma can slip by LSU this coming weekend? Intrigue is everywhere, if you look! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Sackett Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 Is there a chance his shottie chambers have been severely coned? If so, might be from lack of support. Sam Sackett 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 What does his shotgun's chambers look like? Phantom 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kajun Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 20 minutes ago, Oklahoma Dee said: Yadda yadda some other stuff..... Is it still possible that Oklahoma can slip by LSU this coming weekend? Intrigue is everywhere, if you look! Yadda yadda a couple of pictures..... OKD, just like the bottom of the shotgun shell there is going to be a blow out! 😎 Seeing as I am an LSU fan I'm just hoping for my team to win. OU did a heck of a job last week with Bama so it should be a good game. Kajun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 (edited) I agree with Sam and Phantom. Before we start looking at the ammo we have to look at the shooter's shotgun for the make and to see what "gunsmithing" has been done to it. P.S. The only shells I have seen like that were out of a couple of IAC 1887s that the owners tried to ramp the barrels. The guns were ruined. I know you probably cannot get one but a good clear photo is needed. Edited November 25 by Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oklahoma Dee Posted November 25 Author Share Posted November 25 I will try to contact the shooter and ask him to inspect his chambers and lockup for that matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 Let's see the breechface of the SG chambers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oklahoma Dee Posted November 25 Author Share Posted November 25 22 minutes ago, Krazy Kajun said: OKD, just like the bottom of the shotgun shell there is going to be a blow out! 😎 Seeing as I am an LSU fan I'm just hoping for my team to win. OU did a heck of a job last week with Bama so it should be a good game. Kajun Tis the season for College Football. Beverage in hand and control your pain levels!!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sobrante Kid Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 That kind of case blowout cannot happen in an in-battery shotgun, unless that area is unsupported. Either the gun was not fully closed, or there was some kind of a gap where the case blew out. Physics in action! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 (edited) Maybe the extractor is missing/broken. About the right size blowout. Edited November 25 by Eyesa Horg 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 43 minutes ago, El Sobrante Kid said: That kind of case blowout cannot happen in an in-battery shotgun, unless that area is unsupported. Either the gun was not fully closed, or there was some kind of a gap where the case blew out. Physics in action! Have you seen some of the aggressive work done on "coning" the chambers? Phantom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sobrante Kid Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 55 minutes ago, El Sobrante Kid said: That kind of case blowout cannot happen in an in-battery shotgun, unless that area is unsupported. Either the gun was not fully closed, or there was some kind of a gap where the case blew out. Physics in action! 10 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: Have you seen some of the aggressive work done on "coning" the chambers? Phantom Yesssss indeedy, hence the bolded part of my quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 9 minutes ago, El Sobrante Kid said: Yesssss indeedy, hence the bolded part of my quote. Sorry...didn't know you actually shot CAS and might not know the extent that some folks go to with their chamber cone work. Phantom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Are these the new 2 piece hull? GW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 22 minutes ago, G W Wade said: Are these the new 2 piece hull? GW New!!! For crying out loud they have been out for over 20 years. They are not NEW. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 more info: his shells don't do this every time--maybe 5-6 per box (he gives them to me as he doesn't reload) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 5 or 6 per box. That is a potentially disastrous rate. His gun is dangerous. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sobrante Kid Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 10 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: 5 or 6 per box. That is a potentially disastrous rate. His gun is dangerous. Who would keep shooting a gun that exhibited this kind of problem? They need to be told to stop using that shotgun until it has been inspected, the problem found, and repaired. If they don't/won't, perhaps we have a Darwin Award candidate to keep an eye on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 (edited) My guess on this head cover ("brass") blowout is due to a part of the extractor body having been completely removed, leaving a gap right where the tears occur. Some Baikal "work" has been done in the past that clipped off the upper extractor ears without pinning the cut-off ears to the barrel breech to hold pressure when the gun fires. I mention Baikals specifically because they have an hour-glass shape on the extractors that wrap almost 180 degrees around the shells, and smith's think that will get in the way of fast easy extraction, so they "dehorn" the top section of the extractor - leaving an "unsupported chamber". Other shotguns may have similar extractor designs. Take a picture of the extractors as they sit down in the barrel breech (before they lift to extract)! Yikes! GJ Edited November 26 by Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullett Sass 19707 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 A few years ago someone had purchased a case of Win AA and upon inspecting them noticed that the brand new factory shells looked very much like the ones in the pictures before being fired. It was a manufacturing defect. Bullett 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sobrante Kid Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 23 minutes ago, Bullett Sass 19707 said: A few years ago someone had purchased a case of Win AA and upon inspecting them noticed that the brand new factory shells looked very much like the ones in the pictures before being fired. It was a manufacturing defect. Bullett The blown out case wall sticks out at least 1/8". I don't see how a shell like that would pass any level of QC, let alone pack into a box on an automated line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggus Deal #64218 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 11 minutes ago, El Sobrante Kid said: The blown out case wall sticks out at least 1/8". I don't see how a shell like that would pass any level of QC, let alone pack into a box on an automated line. You mean like this? Yes, it did happen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sobrante Kid Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 32 minutes ago, Boggus Deal #64218 said: You mean like this? Yes, it did happen. That looks a collapsed/crushed base. Very different from "brand new factory shells looked very much like the ones in the pictures..." The pictures being described were four previous pics of shells with blown out bases, likely due to an unsupported area in the chamber. 25 of the shells you pictured would fit in a factory box, would easily make it through an automated system, and if the base was not bulged outward to much, would probably load into a chamber and likely fire. And if the chamber was intact (with no unsupported portions), the round would/should safely fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 I was talking to the gunsmith I'm getting a new shotgun from earlier this week about what level of work I wanted on this shotgun... hone the chambers, deburr the extractors & defang the hammers. I've seen some that were so "coned" that the ledge for the rim to sit on was no longer visible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 ive seeb a lot of those come out of factory boxes at the trap range , from a number of different brands , been cutting them for component salvage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 I had a factory new red AA where the brass was fractured and split like that. However, it was unfired and didn’t blow out. It had a vertical split, and a horizontal split where the brass rolls to the rim. It was just sort of peeling away from hull like a broken fingernail. I think it may have happened when the shell was dropped. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sobrante Kid Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 7 minutes ago, watab kid said: ive seeb a lot of those come out of factory boxes at the trap range , from a number of different brands , been cutting them for component salvage Thank you for the input. It would be helpful if you can you clarify what you have seen. Pictures have been posted of a) cases with a blown out base, and b) a case with a crushed/collapsed base. Which have you seen? Thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 crushed/collapsed base.- not seen the blown out ones - that looks likew a gun issue to me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 I have seen the AA's with the base split. Brandy new never fired out of the box. kR 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choctaw Jack Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Looks like part of the extractor may be missing, letting the brass blown out from the unsupported section. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 19 hours ago, Oklahoma Dee said: Tis the season for College Football. Beverage in hand and control your pain levels!!!! People pay attention to College Football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: People pay attention to College Football? …much more than pro football!! How many 100,000 seat pro stadiums do you know of?? Edited November 26 by Blackwater 53393 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 48 minutes ago, Blackwater 53393 said: …much more than pro football!! How many 100,000 seat pro stadiums do you know of?? Heh heh... I am from New England. College football, heck, college sports in general, is pretty much a non-factor here. Never has been. There are are two main theories as to why hardly anyone cares about it here. 1. There are so MANY colleges in New England that there is no one school that captivates the minds of the locals. Aside from people who are actually going, and playing, college sports at one of them, there's just very little interest. 2. We have the Red Sox, Bruins, Celtics, and Patriots. We have no need to care about college sports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 47 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Heh heh... I am from New England. College football, heck, college sports in general, is pretty much a non-factor here. Never has been. There are are two main theories as to why hardly anyone cares about it here. 1. There are so MANY colleges in New England that there is no one school that captivates the minds of the locals. Aside from people who are actually going, and playing, college sports at one of them, there's just very little interest. 2. We have the Red Sox, Bruins, Celtics, and Patriots. We have no need to care about college sports. Never give me crap about hijacking a thread... Phantom 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 6 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Heh heh... I am from New England. College football, heck, college sports in general, is pretty much a non-factor here. Never has been. There are are two main theories as to why hardly anyone cares about it here. 1. There are so MANY colleges in New England that there is no one school that captivates the minds of the locals. Aside from people who are actually going, and playing, college sports at one of them, there's just very little interest. 2. We have the Red Sox, Bruins, Celtics, and Patriots. We have no need to care about college sports. SO!! Is that why you have to hire and pay all that talent that SOMETIMES lets one of your pro teams become little more than something to take note of for a moment from places where that real talent is developed?? *sorry for hijackin’ the thread, (just a little)!* 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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