target placement

[Don Jorge]

Target placement and target size has changed in CAS through the years, such that they are now rather large and rather close.

With this is mind, what are reasons NOT to allow changes in target placement prior to the start of the match?

In particular,  target placement for a ten stage match may be set, but the day before the match begins, we might have a Wild Bunch match, where we would like more distance.

The original placement could be marked, then the targets returned to those locations and painted after the shooting, long before the CAS match would start.

For the entirety of the actual CAS match, the targets would NOT be moved.

I realize that some ranges have fixed sites for targets.

[Cholla]

I don't see a reason. Put them back where you found them and there shouldn't be an issue. But I bet this goes at least three pages.

[Captain Bill Burt]

Steel is heavy and there can be a lot of targets.  When needed, I've moved the tables instead.

[Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971]

10 minutes ago, Don Jorge said:

Target placement and target size has changed in CAS through the years, such that they are now rather large and rather close.

With this is mind, what are reasons NOT to allow changes in target placement prior to the start of the match?

In particular,  target placement for a ten stage match may be set, but the day before the match begins, we might have a Wild Bunch match, where we would like more distance.

The original placement could be marked, then the targets returned to those locations and painted after the shooting, long before the CAS match would start.

For the entirety of the actual CAS match, the targets would NOT be moved.

I realize that some ranges have fixed sites for targets.

This was done for the New Mexico State Match this year.  No issues were reported.  Our berms lack grass and spray paint marks target locations well.  Some of our tables are built into fixed props and cannot be moved.

[Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life]

When I set the steel for this years TMS Non Annual Annual I painted the area where the stands touched the ground so if a target was inadvertently moved or knocked over it could be returned to its original location. This assured that all shooters saw the same target placement. I used blue and orange striping paint, blue for day one and orange for day two (some targets had to be moved for day two scenarios) and with some good helpers reset took about five minutes or less per stage. 
Regards

    

Gateway Kid

[Possum Skinner, SASS#60697]

I’ve seen it done with no negatives other than the labor.

[Branchwater Jack SASS #88854]

There was l, at one time, concern that if there was a shoot through prior to the main match, that you would not want to move steel as the match technically started with the shoot through.

 

In those instances, where extra stands were available, I have set up a second set of stands and pulled the steel from the close pistol targets and used that steel on the newly placed rifle targets. The cas rifle targets then became the wb pistol targets. Worked pretty well.

[Don Jorge]

Cholla, I, too, am surprised that we are still at less than one page of replies.

 

However, I see little feedback indicating that moving targets, within reason, would be a problem under the conditions as noted.

 

I should say that moving targets or moving shooting positions would have the same effect, but either or both might be dictated by the range and setup itself.

[Hud McCoy]

On 10/30/2024 at 10:23 AM, Don Jorge said:

Target placement and target size has changed in CAS through the years, such that they are now rather large and rather close.

With this is mind, what are reasons NOT to allow changes in target placement prior to the start of the match?

In particular,  target placement for a ten stage match may be set, but the day before the match begins, we might have a Wild Bunch match, where we would like more distance.

The original placement could be marked, then the targets returned to those locations and painted after the shooting, long before the CAS match would start.

For the entirety of the actual CAS match, the targets would NOT be moved.

I realize that some ranges have fixed sites for targets.

The match if it includes WB and CAS is at the control of the Match Director for their match and target placement is their call. With setting up 10 to 12 stages for a multi-day match, I'm sure that the MD and his workers don't feel like moving steel constantly.

[Don Jorge]

Well, it would not be constant, but would be just once or twice.  

Certainly it is at the Match Director's discretion.

[Jefro, SASS#69420]

Shoot the WB match at desired distance. Then move the starting position forward for the SASS match. We used to do this for a category we called Sharp Shooter for those that wanted it. When they moved forward the rifle targets were aslo shot with pistols. Down side is they had to always start with rifle, and you would have to have seperate bays. Good Luck

[Tracker Jack Daniels,58780]

Was match director for years, I would let them move the targets IF they put them back as they found them. Was good for a couple years, then I came for the first day of my shoot and the targets were not anywhere near where they had been. I had to move targets and tables before conducting the safety meeting. Needless to say that was the end of anyone moving the targets or props.

 

Consideration and respect is needed to ensure harmonious sharing of stages. Once someone does not hold up their end of the bargain, getting a new bargain going forward is very difficult to say the least.

[SHOOTIN FOX]

If there is a shoot through prior to the main match that coincides with the WB match we split  bays 5 or 6 on one day. Five or 6 the next. The Wb sets steel for the wB and puts them back for the cowboys. Monthly’s are everyone sets their own targets as we shoot on different days.