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I read, once upon a time, that garbage bags were treated with insect poison. Keep cockroaches from crawling around in the garbage.

 

Anyone know if that's true?

 

If it is true, is it only the more expensive bags? Like you can get expensive bags that smell nice, while the cheap bags just smell like plastic.

 

There is a picture in the funny pictures thread. Girl killed a deer with her car. Got me thinking about possibly coming along and finding that just happened. And the driver of the other car does not want the deer.

 

Do a quick butcher job at the side of the road, and put the hindquarters and the back straps in a garbage bag, to prevent blood from getting all over your car.

 

Assuming you had some garbage bags in your car.

 

And then I thought about what I had read about bug poison on the bags. Probably wouldn't want to be putting raw meat down on plastic that's covered with bug poison.

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The box would say it. Also the damn perfumes.

Garbage bags are still not rated for food use; I would not use them for freezing or storage but don't see a reason to not use them for temporary transport.

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I have never heard of garbage bags with pesticide in them, but I am pretty sure lots of pests have been wrapped in garbage bags. :rolleyes:
 

2 hours ago, John Kloehr said:

Also the damn perfumes.

Agreed! I hate that crap! My wife “accidentally” kept buying garbage bags with that insidious odor added. I accidentally returned them and she and I had a short discussion about it. Ahem…

I have never cared for perfumes and colognes of any kind. Perfumie trash? Hell no! Human or plastic!
 

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Remember the old saying,

"If it smells like cologne, leave it alone":ph34r:

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In federally inspected packing houses and food processing plants any plastic bags that come in contact with edible product must be certified by the bag's manufacturer as food grade; otherwise the establishment gets dinged with a noncompliance record, and the product in the noncompliant bags must be discarded.  Establishments don't like throwing their products away.

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31 minutes ago, J-BAR #18287 said:

In federally inspected packing houses and food processing plants any plastic bags that come in contact with edible product must be certified by the bag's manufacturer as food grade; otherwise the establishment gets dinged with a noncompliance record, and the product in the noncompliant bags must be discarded.  Establishments don't like throwing their products away.

I learn something new every day. 😊

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On the subject of throwing products away.

 

I'm at Sam's yesterday. They have what I suppose was a shrimp cocktail. A handful of boiled shrimp and some cocktail sauce. And it was in one of those clear plastic clamshell containers. The kind where you close it and then take the label that's got the barcode and the price and all that nonsense and put it over the front of the clamshell and that holds it closed.

 

So as I'm walking by the reefer a guy picks one up and it opens. Apparently some moron who was packing them put the paper over the hinge side.

 

Instead of taking it over to the meat department and saying "hey this is open", he just put it back down and got another one and went on his merry way.

 

So I go over to the meat department and push the buzzer, and when the guy comes out I tell him that one of the shrimp containers is open, then leave him over there and show him which one it is. He picks it up - did not say thank you - and headed back towards the butcher shop.

 

And if I went on my merry way I idly wondered if they were going to throw it out, or if they were going to have a little shrimp feed there in the back, or if they were just going to put it in another container and put it back out there?

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18 minutes ago, Alpo said:

On the subject of throwing products away.

 

I'm at Sam's yesterday. They have what I suppose was a shrimp cocktail. A handful of boiled shrimp and some cocktail sauce. And it was in one of those clear plastic clamshell containers. The kind where you close it and then take the label that's got the barcode and the price and all that nonsense and put it over the front of the clamshell and that holds it closed.

 

So as I'm walking by the reefer a guy picks one up and it opens. Apparently some moron who was packing them put the paper over the hinge side.

 

Instead of taking it over to the meat department and saying "hey this is open", he just put it back down and got another one and went on his merry way.

 

So I go over to the meat department and push the buzzer, and when the guy comes out I tell him that one of the shrimp containers is open, then leave him over there and show him which one it is. He picks it up - did not say thank you - and headed back towards the butcher shop.

 

And if I went on my merry way I idly wondered if they were going to throw it out, or if they were going to have a little shrimp feed there in the back, or if they were just going to put it in another container and put it back out there?

Simple, I was in and out of many grocery stores for decades.  Stores with good leadership and morale do not have broken, open, or damaged product on the sales floor or in the stock room except briefly and in small quantity.  The worse employee morale is, the worse the store is.  After a few years, you can tell a poorly run store by odor as you walk in.

 

Spoiled or damaged human food is never a part of any petfood brand I am aware of and I was in that business for decades.  Clean well handled ingredients out of very clean plants.  Some more rural areas there may be arrangements with folks who own pigs, and even that would not be a full commercial operation. Handling trash for animal food could not be profitable.

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15 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said:

 

Spoiled or damaged human food is never a part of any petfood brand I am aware of and I was in that business for decades.  Clean well handled ingredients out of very clean plants.  Some more rural areas there may be arrangements with folks who own pigs, and even that would not be a full commercial operation. Handling trash for animal food could not be profitable.

I imagine places that pack good ingredients for dog food, however I worked in a slaughter house where there was a poorly refrigerated area that kept lungs, udders, and the bad tripes, packed them in rusty barrels and I accompanied the driver to take them to the dog food plant.  This was not USDA dog food.


it was fifty+ years ago. 
 

the good tripes of course went USDA.

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I was with a major firm and visited several plants.  In each there was an Organ room.  Plastic trays or ingots of clean, uniform frozen product.  Human food, no, but clean. fresh, and well maintained.  There used to be a saying that "Anyone with an extruder could make pet food."  But what kind of petfood.  Big brands are made in large batches by specific recipe / formula which has been tested with dogs & cats.  Clean, consistent, and except in the case of medicated products for special animal health issues, full nutrition.  There are good small brands, often from co-ops, mostly as a service to their members.  I have not been in one of those operations, but my other experiences with co=ops have been uniformly good.

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Flint River Ranch was a dog food brand some years ago. They got in trouble for making the dog food to human food standards (as far as handling and such, nutrition levels was for dogs). This was a marketing point, and they had to pull it off the market after "getting caught" doing so. It was back a few months later when it was once again being produced, but now in compliance with pet food standards.

 

I have no idea what the difference was, or why making dog food to human standards would be a bad thing.

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3 minutes ago, John Kloehr said:

Flint River Ranch was a dog food brand some years ago. They got in trouble for making the dog food to human food standards (as far as handling and such, nutrition levels was for dogs). This was a marketing point, and they had to pull it off the market after "getting caught" doing so. It was back a few months later when it was once again being produced, but now in compliance with pet food standards.

 

I have no idea what the difference was, or why making dog food to human standards would be a bad thing.

Dogs / Cats nutrition requirements are different than humans.  Most strict on pet diet say no human food.  I was in the industry more than 3 decades, my rule is that when the Pack eats (humans first, dogs after), they get a taste as well.  Currently 3 healthy large dog friends.

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3 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said:

Dogs / Cats nutrition requirements are different than humans.  Most strict on pet diet say no human food.  I was in the industry more than 3 decades, my rule is that when the Pack eats (humans first, dogs after), they get a taste as well.  Currently 3 healthy large dog friends.

The nutrition was for dogs and did not change when it went back into production. This was over some handling/processing thing. FRR claimed the human standards were stricter than what they had to change too. They claimed therefore no actual product change and the product quality now simply exceeded what regulations required.

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2 minutes ago, John Kloehr said:

The nutrition was for dogs and did not change when it went back into production. This was over some handling/processing thing. FRR claimed the human standards were stricter than what they had to change too. They claimed therefore no actual product change and the product quality now simply exceeded what regulations required.

Never was into the arcane aspects of Govt. Regulation, even when it was understandable!  I can tell you the pet food plants I visited back in the day were cleaner than some licensed, well thought of meat processing plants I have visited as a customer, and those are pretty decent.

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6 hours ago, Rip Snorter said:

Some more rural areas there may be arrangements with folks who own pigs, and even that would not be a full commercial operation. Handling trash for animal food could not be profitable.

 

Several states allow waste food (Garbage) to be fed to hogs. I remember one large scale operation being part of the Dirty Jobs series.  Most restaurants either gave it away or paid the farmer to haul it off. If you can secure a steady supply is is an economical source of feed.

 

My uncle raised cattle on Wonder bread.  Picked up a pickup load from the St. Louis bakery every Friday afternoon  in large cardboard barrels. His neighbor fed his cattle and hogs pasta. Can't remember the name but is was sold nation wide. We had to hand feed the bread to ensure all the plastic and twist ties were removed. The hogs were fed the cardboard boxes along with the pasta but not any plastic packaging as it caused digestive issues.

 

In both cases the product was out of date, fell onto the floor, failed quality control, or some other issue that rendered it as waste. I do remember several times there would be a fresh loaf or two on top of one of the barrels and lots of the pasta was still in sealed boxes. We would set it aside and if not out of date, bring it to the house. Ate lots of pasta dishes back then when spending the summers on their farm.

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8 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:

I do remember several times there would be a fresh loaf or two on top of one of the barrels and lots of the pasta was still in sealed boxes. We would set it aside and if not out of date, bring it to the house. Ate lots of pasta dishes back then

When I was in junior high school, the home football games took place at the stadium over by the high school, which was about a mile away. And if you had a ticket for a home game they would let you out of school a half hour before the game started. That gave you time to walk that mile to the stadium.

 

Between the junior high school and the high school there was an RC cola bottling plant. After the game we would walk back to school so to catch the bus home, and we would stop off at that bottling plant. There was a QA station. A little conveyor belt carried bottles in front of a light, an inspectors would look to see if there was any dirt or crap in the bottle with the soda. If there was they took it off the conveyor. And if there was kids standing there, they would give it to them. And we would happily drink that warm room-temperature RC cola with whatever crap was in the bottle.

 

I wonder if they would still do that today.

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46 minutes ago, Alpo said:

I wonder if they would still do that today.

No, the human would have been replaced by an optical scanner and kick out mechanism. It would allow them to speed up the line and be more accurate.

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19 hours ago, Rip Snorter said:

Dogs / Cats nutrition requirements are different than humans.  Most strict on pet diet say no human food.  I was in the industry more than 3 decades, my rule is that when the Pack eats (humans first, dogs after), they get a taste as well.  Currently 3 healthy large dog friends.

I guess you could say that should be the order but I have always made sure all my animals ate before I would sit down to eat. They relied on my for their meals and I made sure they all got theirs before I would eat mine. This included all the horses, dogs and cats. Then I would eat and sit down for a quiet time before bed time.

 

TM

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13 minutes ago, Texas Maverick said:

I guess you could say that should be the order but I have always made sure all my animals ate before I would sit down to eat. They relied on my for their meals and I made sure they all got theirs before I would eat mine. This included all the horses, dogs and cats. Then I would eat and sit down for a quiet time before bed time.

 

TM

Absolutely, but the boys get a treat when we have finished.  They eat before us morning and night.

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2 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said:

Absolutely, but the boys get a treat when we have finished.  They eat before us morning and night.

true at our house as well, my daughter keeps getting on to us about feeding the dogs table scraps but I don't feel good quality lean meat like steak, hamburger or chicken is bad for them. We even have one that loves fruits and veggies so he gets blue betties, raspberries blackberries, carrots, broccoli and green beans as well. So if we have any left over after we eat then we give them a few tidbits.

 

TM

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My departed Bloodhound liked veg as much as meat and taught the older Rhodesian. My guys love spaghetti - I'm going to have to get a photo of them inhaling it.  It isn't the amount, it is the gesture, just a small bite or two.

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I can't remember EVER finishing a meal, morning, noon or night, my dogs didn't share in my meal. They, the animals ate first [horses, dogs, cats], then we ate in relative peace.

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1 hour ago, Rip Snorter said:

My departed Bloodhound liked veg as much as meat and taught the older Rhodesian. My guys love spaghetti - I'm going to have to get a photo of them inhaling it.  It isn't the amount, it is the gesture, just a small bite or two.

Yeah, we are always asking google if something was safe for the dogs to eat. I know some items are not good and even can kill them like onions. Our 6 month old pup hasn't found anything he wouldn't eat. If it doesn't eat him he will eat it including drywall and wood furniture.

 

TM

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Ours have always waited patiently to lick the plates!

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The question is, did they wait for your plate because they remembered you gave it to them the last time? Or because you gave it to them the last time they now wait for her plate also?

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ifthey werewould the insects notbe prevented from helping biodegrade the trash at the landfill? just asking , not an authority on this topic by any means , 

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