Jeep Brand Vehicles Problems??

[Marshal Dan Troop 70448]

I usually do my own oil and filter changes. But when I bought my Nissan Frontier I also got 6 free oil and filter changes and with prices of oil, I took advantage. Walking through showroom I saw a new salesman who had been in the office of the salesman who sold me the Frontier. Found out my salesman had moved into management. Talking to the new salesman, found out he had come from a Jeep Dealership and he left there because Jeeps weren't selling and in a little over a month he had only sold one and before he left the Dealership only sold 10 vehicles in 2 months and word were out they were going to try to discount and close up. Besides he said they had problems with some Jeeps catching on fire and that they had sold only one Grand Cherokee in 4 months and had over 12 on the lot. Most cusromers complained about the high prices also of all Jeep Brands and would walk out.

Looks like Jeep is having a problem? Anyone hear of Jeep having problems like this?

[Rye Miles #13621]

My son had a Renegade with all kinds of problems, he bought it new! It wound up needing a complete new engine!! They gave him the choice to get the new engine or refund the money he paid for the car. His loan for the car was paid off by Jeep. They also refunded him money he paid out for a rental car for 6 weeks! He then bought a one year old Renegade and has had no problems at all with it. I think the problems Jeep is having is only with the Grand Cherokees. I've heard several horror stories.

Edited October 14 by Rye Miles #13621

[Pat Riot]

Good! For years Jeep dealers priced vehicles far beyond MSRP, yet people still bought them because “It’s a Jeep!”

When the Gladiator pickups came out the MSRP for the base model was around $35,000. A steep price to begin with as it was a “base model”. MSRPs ranged from $35K to $46K, if I remember correctly. Immediately dealerships all across the USA began pricing the Gladiator models at least $20,000 over MSRP! On loaded models the prices were nearly $30,000 over MSRP. 
The Gladiator isn’t the only model they price gouge on. 
What I find completely hilarious is around here, (WV, PA, OH, MD) people that drive Jeep SUVs actually act like they are better than everyone because they paid so much for their vehicles. Nothing is more annoying than a self-entitled idiot with access to money. 
When Fiat bought Jeep and introduced the laughably named Renegade the MSRP was around $18,000. Many dealerships doubled that MSRP and morons bought them. 
During Covid a Jeep dealer in Huntington Beach lowered prices to MSRPs and acted like they were doing a public service. Yeah, Jeep dealers do the public and it ain’t a service. 
 

BECAUSE OF JEEP’s business model all American car dealerships, Ford, Chevy Dodge and their associated brands, have been gouging the public ever since COVID. Not one government agency nor the federal governing bodies have done a thing to suppress this. This is why my wife and I have been looking at Japanese and Korean car brands. Our 2007 Suburban will need replacing sometime in the next year. I am having my doubts we’ll be buying American. 

[Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103]

(At the risk of catching the attention of the Evil Demons of the Air that listen to our every word, to use them against us: "What's that about a picnic? ZAP! Thunderstorms and red ants!")

We've had Jeeps for several years now: all have been dead nuts reliable, the Liberty handled like a sports car, which kept me from colliding with a silver haired old fellow who tried pulling a U-turn in the Sam's Club driveway.

Three Wranglers later, I'm still just as happy with the breed as if I had good sense!

All things change. 

If one design change in the power plant causes fires, that drawing board screw up can trash a long and well earned reputation!

Sorry to hear this is happening and thank you for the heads-up on its occurrence!

[sassnetguy50]

It was a problem with some plug in hybrid models.  13 vehicles caught fire.  It was mostly four door Wranglers, not many Cherokees.  They fixed the design last year and recalled the vehicles to fix them.  Jeep is facing multiple problems including the fire publicity. 

Edited October 14 by sassnetguy50

[Texas Maverick]

2 hours ago, Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103 said:

(At the risk of catching the attention of the Evil Demons of the Air that listen to our every word, to use them against us: "What's that about a picnic? ZAP! Thunderstorms and red ants!")

We've had Jeeps for several years now: all have been dead nuts reliable, the Liberty handled like a sports car, which kept me from colliding with a silver haired old fellow who tried pulling a U-turn in the Sam's Club driveway.

Three Wranglers later, I'm still just as happy with the breed as if I had good sense!

All things change. 

If one design change in the power plant causes fires, that drawing board screw up can trash a long and well earned reputation!

Sorry to hear this is happening and thank you for the heads-up on its occurrence!

i had a 2004 Wrangler and loved it until my daughter rolled it in an ice storm and she has since bought new a 2015 Grand Cherokee and has over 250k miles on it and it is still going strong. She is looking at trading it in for something new this year but after going through Helene and Milton she might need to wait until next year financially.

 

TM

[Dantankerous]

I'm a life long Jeep guy.  Got my first Jeep at 15, a CJ 5. I've had plenty and have always done my own work on them. While they are fun and perform very well off road (lots of Jeep owners don't actually know this) Jeep longevity just ain't there. I just sold my 07 Wrangler and for the first time in decades I am Jeepless. While I miss owning and driving one,  I do not miss the maintenance.

 

If only Toyota made Jeeps. 😁

 

Today's prices for new Jeeps is beyond ridiculous. They're priced about 25K higher than they're worth. And yes, as previously mentioned, people stupidly pay that money, all for an image usually.

 

At some point the automotive market will correct itself but only if the consumer stops paying stupid money for new vehicles.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

My Jeep, the Muddog, is a 2002 Tj, Wrangler to the non Jeep people here. I got it 10 years ago with 126,000 miles on it. Now it has about 156,000, and while it has it's problems, I wouldn't get rid of it for love or money. It's been dependable, never broken down, just a few Evap System problems, and of course, crappy mileage. It's the only vehicle that gets worse mileage on the highway than in the City. But I've got my truck if I need to go anywhere, so I don't worry about it.  

[Rip Snorter]

They did - I had a Land Cruiser FJ 40 - great  Never should have sold it!

[Dantankerous]

10 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said:

They did - I had a Land Cruiser FJ 40 - great  Never should have sold it!

 

I really like the Toyota FJ Cruisers but they are bringing more $ than Jeeps now! Only made for 7 years... you can find them with 200K on odometer and still priced at 15K around here.

[Rip Snorter]

Just took a quick look at F/S prices online.  Now I'm really sorry I sold it!

[Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933]

5 hours ago, Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103 said:

silver haired old fellow

 

Were you looking in the rear view mirror?

[Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life]

Jeeps have been over priced for years. If you want to make them into a serious off road vehicle, it can cost you $20,000 easily. If you do the work yourself, you can save a bunch. I had a 87 Toyota PU short bed 4x4 . I put a lift kit and big tires on it and drove it all over baja and the Mojave Desert and it would go anywhere. I put 300,000 miles on it and gave it to my son and he is still driving it. I bought it used and I had less than $10,000 in it. 

Edited October 14 by Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life

[Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103]

25 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said:

 

Were you looking in the rear view mirror?

😁😁😁 I do resemble that remark! 😁😁😁

Sam's Club is off North Abbe Road, two lanes going in: the right lane is a must-turn-right, and this old gent, for whatever reason, decided he wanted to whip a U-turn right in front of me.

That pretty metallic-blue Liberty was less than a week off the  dealership lot.

If I'd spiked the brakes hard enough to override the antilock there was still not room enough to stop: he was in the right lane, I in the left, he came about and I whipped the wheel left, then right, and I am satisfied I could not have passed a paper back book between his front bumper and my passing starboard sheetmetal!

It was another two hundred yards to the Sam's Club lot.

My wife said it's the longest she ever saw someone with saucers for eyes go without blinking!

[Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933]

I had a Jeep Liberty (1st Gen) that was metallic white and had chrome wheels.  It was gorgeous and I never had a problem with it.  I gave it to my daughter and when she came out from work one day it was gone.  No doubt now cruising around somewhere south of the border.  As previously noted the big problems are with the plug in HyBrids.  My buddies wife has a Grand Cherokee and it went belly up about a month ago.  Biggest dealer in the Dallas area said they would not even be able to look at it until mid-November.

[Dantankerous]

40 minutes ago, Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life said:

Jeeps have been over priced for years. If you want to make them into a serious off road vehicle, it can cost you $20,000 easily...

And these days it is super easy to hit that 20K mark. Lift, tires and wheels, winch, lights, bumpers...

 

In '99 a buddy called me. He had just bought a brand new TJ and wanted to know if I'd like to pack a bag and hit some Colorado Jeep trails. Of course I did and 12 hours later we were in 4 low. That TJ, with the front sway bars disconnected went everywhere easily. Even with the street tires it had. No lift, nothing extra. Just a plain Jane Jeep. I had been wheeling in the Rockies at this time for about 10 years in my built 76 CJ5 and was absolutely amazed at what my friend's stock Jeep was capable of. We took it places we should not have and it did it easily. Careful tire placement makes obstacles safer and easier, BTW 😀. 

 

A stock Jeep will do incredible things off road with an experienced driver and spotter. That said, a built Jeep with lockers, lift, 35s+... hard to stop that beast.

[Texas Joker]

And most folks driving them slow way down to go over RR tracks. 

 

Jeep became a status symbol and the prices took off. Most of em get tricked out and lifted then never even get off pavement.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

1 hour ago, Texas Joker said:

And most folks driving them slow way down to go over RR tracks. 

 

Jeep became a status symbol and the prices took off. Most of em get tricked out and lifted then never even get off pavement.

That started happening when the JKU, (four door) took the place of the H2 as a tricked out Mommobile. In the Jeep community we call them "Mall Crawlers". There have always been some, but they really hit the Jeep world with the aforementioned JKU. 

When done properly, the JK and JKU are capable off road vehicles, but previous Jeeps, while popular in the off road world, were never Big Sellers like the JKU. That lead to the people who worry about such things to make Jeeps higher tech, less capable, and most importantly to those of us that love them, more difficult to work on.  

[Rip Snorter]

My Son and DIL live in the mountains, an area with a real Winter.  Both have late model Jeep vehicles.  They have not been perfect, but necessary as a practical matter where they live, since they both commute.  Having ridden in both, comfortable, capable and modern.  If they weren't so expensive, at least for a retirement purchase, I'd consider one.  Be useful in rural Montana as well.

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

I miss my International Harvester Scout II.  

[Marshal Dan Troop 70448]

One vehicle I never expected to change into a Luxury Vehicle, the Land Rover.

 

[Creeker, SASS #43022]

It is not just "Jeep" - it is the ownership group, Stellantis.

Fiat, Maserati, Chrysler, Dodge, Ram, Jeep, etc.

 

They are not selling vehicles (other than Ram) and bleeding money in the US.

 

Within 24 months - Fiat will (again) be out of the US market, Maserati will be shuttered, Chrysler will go the the way of Mercury, Pontiac and Plymouth.

 

Depending on the response to Dodge and Rams new "Hurricane" engines AND the acceptance of the new electric Charger platform (no more Challenger - just 2 door or 4 door Charger) - Dodge and Ram may go away in the next 5 - 10 years.

 

Jeep is a boutique brand and will eventually simply be sold off for the name (again).

[John Kloehr]

1 hour ago, Creeker, SASS #43022 said:

It is not just "Jeep" - it is the ownership group, Stellantis.

Fiat, Maserati, Chrysler, Dodge, Ram, Jeep, etc.

 

They are not selling vehicles (other than Ram) and bleeding money in the US.

 

Within 24 months - Fiat will (again) be out of the US market, Maserati will be shuttered, Chrysler will go the the way of Mercury, Pontiac and Plymouth.

 

Depending on the response to Dodge and Rams new "Hurricane" engines AND the acceptance of the new electric Charger platform (no more Challenger - just 2 door or 4 door Charger) - Dodge and Ram may go away in the next 5 - 10 years.

 

Jeep is a boutique brand and will eventually simply be sold off for the name (again).

I bought a used Ram recently. I wanted a Silverado but not for an additional $12K premium for equivalent options and capability. I do like the Ram.

 

I also have a Challenger as a toy, will be fine for years. I really do like it too.

 

The Hurricane Charger will not be out for another year, I have no interest in the EV platform. Maybe if I still lived in a city and had a job to commute to, but I don't for either.

 

I will consider a Hurricane Charger when they come in as lease returns, that will be in '27. Assuming Dodge still exists...

Edited October 14 by John Kloehr

[Rip Snorter]

I'm looking for a full size single cab 20 years or so newer than my 1979 Scottsdale, used, not used up - hard to find in country where pickups are rode hard.  No Hurry. As happens, though it generally works, and has been maintained since I bought it in '05, I am starting to distrust a 45 year old truck. I buy my wife a new car as soon as hers starts to need repairs.  Personally, I find the old, simple ones to be more interesting.  

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

1 hour ago, Creeker, SASS #43022 said:

Jeep is a boutique brand and will eventually simply be sold off for the name (again).

If that happens, and the buyer is doing so to bring Jeep back to what it USED to be, an SIMPLE, (Standard trans, low tech engine), easy to work on, capable off road vehicle, I would welcome it. 

[Creeker, SASS #43022]

42 minutes ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said:

If that happens, and the buyer is doing so to bring Jeep back to what it USED to be, an SIMPLE, (Standard trans, low tech engine), easy to work on, capable off road vehicle, I would welcome it. 

Sorry - "that" vehicle will never exist again (at least not in the US).

 

Governmental safety requirements - today and tomorrows (crash tech, driving nannies, etc.), fuel economy standards, onboard computers/ electronics (vehicle operational, safety and consumer demanded) have all doomed the "simple" product to history (be that a car, appliance or basically any product more complex than a hammer).

 

Realistically, even if the demand were there (and it is not) - a manufacturer cannot build and sell a WW II era Jeep anymore; it canot meet legalities and most won't put up with its shortcomings compared to a modern vehicle.

 

People like safe cars (ABS, airbags and crumple zones), electric windows, satellite radio, automatic transmissions, blue tooth compatibility - the list is endless.

There is no going back for most.

[Blackwater 53393]

A man can make a lot of money rebuilding and re-selling old Jeeps!  It’ll take a good stake to get started, but I see refurbished Jeeps going for big money all the time!  

 

ALMOST every part for the M38A1 and the CJ3 are STILL available and fairly affordable. I’m in an FC Jeep group and see all sorts of old Jeeps bought, sold, and traded.

 

The new ones ain’t the only ones bringing big money!!

[J.D. Daily]

5 hours ago, Rip Snorter said:

My Son and DIL live in the mountains, an area with a real Winter.  Both have late model Jeep vehicles.  They have not been perfect, but necessary as a practical matter where they live, since they both commute.  Having ridden in both, comfortable, capable and modern.  If they weren't so expensive, at least for a retirement purchase, I'd consider one.  Be useful in rural Montana as well.

For years In CA foothills & mountains as well as Churchill, Douglas, & Washoe counties of NV Subarus outnumber Jeeps.

I had a 1994 CJ with a 4 banger.  It got poorer mileage than my 2000 Ford F250 4X4 7.3 litre Powerstroke.

[Rip Snorter]

I would not drive a foreign car, I doubt they would, as youngish professionals who commute, nor drive an old car or truck as I do.  Point is at 9K feet with frequent snow and occasional ice, except for the times they had to stay home, they have got home safe.  There were some issues with at least one of the Jeeps that took some time to resolve.  My son had ordered a particular model that was hard to find, as were needed parts when an issue cropped up.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

59 minutes ago, Creeker, SASS #43022 said:

Sorry - "that" vehicle will never exist again (at least not in the US).

 

Governmental safety requirements - today and tomorrows (crash tech, driving nannies, etc.), fuel economy standards, onboard computers/ electronics (vehicle operational, safety and consumer demanded) have all doomed the "simple" product to history (be that a car, appliance or basically any product more complex than a hammer).

 

Realistically, even if the demand were there (and it is not) - a manufacturer cannot build and sell a WW II era Jeep anymore; it canot meet legalities and most won't put up with its shortcomings compared to a modern vehicle.

 

People like safe cars (ABS, airbags and crumple zones), electric windows, satellite radio, automatic transmissions, blue tooth compatibility - the list is endless.

There is no going back for most.

You're probably right, but one can dream, can't one? I often see postings here bemoaning the complexity of new cars and trucks. How often does one of us remark that we want a simple, 6 cylinder, 4 speed truck with vinyl seats, roll down windows, and a radio that doesn't require a degree in electronics to operate, that doesn't cost more than our house? I don't think that the market would be large, but I think that it's there.  

[Rip Snorter]

Many of us who want that have it.  Old cars and trucks well cared for.  I came out ahead in a transmission rebuild, and probably would on a kit engine.  Of course it is a matter of taste.  Out here the oldies have a very long life with mechanics who grew up with them.  I see them passing the knowledge along, so I'm probably good till I shuffle off.

[Blackwater 53393]

Keep in mind that the government doesn’t want you to have vehicles that can’t be monitored and mined for information!!  Your new (whatever brand you choose) vehicle has all sorts of features built into the electronic controls system that monitor how and where you drive!! The material/information can be retrieved by dealers, insurance companies, and the government in any investigation.

 

In some instances, these features can be disabled, but would likely void the warranty. Most of the latest vehicles have a built in GPS as well and very likely can be tracked or traced by anyone with the equipment to do so!

 

The most offensive aspect of this, to me, is that the customer is paying for all of this, not only in the purchase price and maintenance of their new vehicle, but then we’re paying taxes to the government to do this to us!!

[Rip Snorter]

Did you misspell Gooberment?

[Blackwater 53393]

13 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said:

Did you misspell Gooberment?

HMMMMM!! COULD BE!!!!

[ORNERY OAF]

We have had 3 jeep grand Cherokees in a row, including the one i daily drive now, it's super reliable,rides like a caddy and is comfortable. Don't plan on changing anytime soon, we also got a wrangler, pretty good too.