Eyesa Horg Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 The last couple of batches of reloads I've done, both 45 & 38, I've been noticing brass dust on my reloader. Just started wet tumbling this season. When I took our brass out of tumbler I noticed I'm getting a burr at the mouth of the cases. It easily catches a finger nail and is rough on the inside. The burr looks like what you get when you cut tubing with a tubing cutter. Is this from the mouths banging into each other for hours or possibly just from being reloaded so many times? To chamfer them all would be a large PIA! They appear as though the crimp didn't completely open up, but rough. Nothing else has changed in my loads. Thanks for ideas. EH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Dan Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Yes the crimp doesn't completely open up. Result of our use of light loads and soft bullets. And yes it does chew up the mouth of the case after multiple reloads, eventually they split. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted October 1 Author Share Posted October 1 59 minutes ago, Ranger Dan said: Yes the crimp doesn't completely open up. Result of our use of light loads and soft bullets. And yes it does chew up the mouth of the case after multiple reloads, eventually they split. So, not likely related to wet tumbling then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I. M. Crossdraw, SASS# 8321 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 (edited) Wet tumbling is not at fault. You can give a shot of dry lube inside the case mouth and that would reduce the risk of scraping the the brass. Edited October 5 by I. M. Crossdraw, SASS# 8321 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 What media are you using? You want a slow turning tumbler. Rinse the brass twice, before drying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) I don't wet tumble and haven't heard of this. However, if you've been reloading for years and the only thing that changed before this issue appeared was the wet tumbling, then I'd look at it harder. Maybe you are doing something different from others. edit: you didn't just clean your loading machine did you? Might have been doing this before but it was too grungy to notice? Edited October 2 by Abilene, SASS # 27489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Hair Larry Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 You may have said but how long do you tumble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachaug kid Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Eyesa, If u resize, remove primers before wet tumbling, it may solve the rough edges, also primer pockets will be cleaned as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted October 2 Author Share Posted October 2 11 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: What media are you using? You want a slow turning tumbler. Rinse the brass twice, before drying. I'm using the large Frankfort arsenal with a 9mm case of LemiShine, a little less than a 12ga hull of StratoSheen and 1& 1/2oz of ArmorAll carwash with wax. The edge of the mouth is all rough and look like brass filings on the bench once loaded again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted October 2 Author Share Posted October 2 10 hours ago, Wild Hair Larry said: You may have said but how long do you tumble. The full 3 hours. On my 45 brass I do a half hour with cheap carwash to get the blowby off,then rinse, then 3 hours as in my reply to Lumpy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted October 2 Author Share Posted October 2 7 minutes ago, pachaug kid said: Eyesa, If u resize, remove primers before wet tumbling, it may solve the rough edges, also primer pockets will be cleaned as well? I do deprimed, however without the pins there's still some gunk in the pocket. It doesn't seem to be an issue reseating new primers however. I'll try to get a closeup picture to post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 48 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said: I'm using the large Frankfort arsenal with a 9mm case of LemiShine, a little less than a 12ga hull of StratoSheen and 1& 1/2oz of ArmorAll carwash with wax. The edge of the mouth is all rough and look like brass filings on the bench once loaded again. No media like pins or ceramic stones?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted October 2 Author Share Posted October 2 Just now, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: No media like pins or ceramic stones?? No, I used the pins at the beginning of the year when I got the tumbler and deprimed. I had never deprimed this brass in over 6 years. I'm thinking maybe the mouths have just work hardened so much that they are finally deteriorating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 2 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said: No, I used the pins at the beginning of the year when I got the tumbler and deprimed. I had never deprimed this brass in over 6 years. I'm thinking maybe the mouths have just work hardened so much that they are finally deteriorating. Try it with the pins They also act as a 'cushion' for brass. Do you fill it with water? You should. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted October 2 Author Share Posted October 2 3 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Try it with the pins They also act as a 'cushion' for brass. Do you fill it with water? You should. I usually fill to within a couple inches of full. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 1 hour ago, Eyesa Horg said: I usually fill to within a couple inches of full. Fill to just cover the pins and cases. Run for 1 hr and check the cases. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Creek Jack Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Been wet tumbling for years with pins and deprimed, never had this problem, the pins may help to ckean up the case mouth of those tiny burrs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Creek Jack Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Opps sorry, just saw OLG just said the same!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted October 2 Author Share Posted October 2 (edited) I've got new rifle brass for next year!! Will try the above suggestions and see how it goes. One thing for sure is I need a sink in the basement! Up and down the stairs is getting old! Glad to hear it's probably not the tumbler causing the issue. One thing I do like about depriming first, is that the reloading goes smoother with no fail to deprime issues happening. Thank you all. EH Edited October 2 by Eyesa Horg Typo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey James Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 I've been wet tumbling for quite a while. Started with the stainless pins but saw on YouTube some mention they didn't use any media, just Dawn and Lemi-Shine. Never had any issues with the brass. I also use the Frankford tumbler. I fill all the way up and run for 2 hours. I use the included plastic screen when emptying to keep the brass in and then fill it back up half way, shake it, dump it out. I will do this until the water is clean with no signs of soap. Then I dump all of the clean brass on a towel and pat dry then put the brass in an old food dehydrator to fully dry. Brass always comes out looking brand new. My guess is the brass (if it's been reloaded many times) is just getting brittle. Some folks anneal their brass to keep this from happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago I just swiped this photo from a for sale ad here. This is what I'm talking about with the rough mouth opening. His pic is way clearer than mine! Enlarge a bit to see, especially the upper right. I'll have to get on my PC to include a pic of the brass dust they leave on everything after loading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Cut back on the amount of cases in the tumbler. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago 10 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Cut back on the amount of cases in the tumbler. Thanks, I'll try that. I've been filling it about half wayish or so and water to a tad below the mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Just now, Eyesa Horg said: Thanks, I'll try that. I've been filling it about half wayish or so and water to a tad below the mouth. Can you post a picture or 2 of your tumbler setup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted 12 minutes ago Author Share Posted 12 minutes ago 41 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Can you post a picture or 2 of your tumbler setup? I can do that! It's just the large FART (Frankfort Arsenal Rotary Tumbler) or are you looking for something in particular with my unit? I'm using the large Frankfort arsenal with a 9mm case of LemiShine, a little less than a 12ga hull of StratoSheen and 1& 1/2oz of ArmorAll carwash with wax. Haven't used the pins since the first try with this tumbler after depriming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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