Spotters!

[Tennessee williams]

Spotters mantra!

If you see a hit, it's a hit!

If you think it's a hit, it's a hit!

If you think it's a miss, it's a hit!

If you see a miss, it's a miss.

 

 

Bad Bud Ketchum, Crawdaddy, and English Tom are primed and ready!

 

 

 

 

[Tell Sackett SASS 18436]

What if it’s a Mr.s?

[Tennessee williams]

9 minutes ago, Tell Sackett SASS 18436 said:

What if it’s a Mr.s?

Then you can't take her out in public.

[Wild Eagle]

And, as the shooter, sometimes you have to remind yourself that even though they called a miss that you didn't agree with, you also got away with one two stages back that you knew you missed.

[Phantom, SASS #54973]

A guy said he heard a miss...was ask what a miss sounded like.

 

Cheers!

Phantom

[Marshal Dan Troop 70448]

I been to matches were there was a lead spotter and the other 2 used his call. Also been to one match were the TO called misses.

[Crawdaddy]

28 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

A guy said he heard a miss...was ask what a miss sounded like.

 

Cheers!

Phantom

I didn’t hear no misses!

[Tell Sackett SASS 18436]

32 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

A guy said he heard a miss...was ask what a miss sounded like.

 

Cheers!

Phantom

It sounds very quiet!

I hear misses all the time when I’m counting shots-at the loading table.

Clang, clang, clang, nothing, clang! That’s what a pistol miss sounds like.

😁

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

It's a 'hit' if you were paid in cash 

[Krazy Kajun]

I said it before....and I'll say it again.....there's a rancid chicken "afoot." 🐔🐔🐔

 

Kajun

 

[Phantom, SASS #54973]

19 minutes ago, Tell Sackett SASS 18436 said:

It sounds very quiet!

I hear misses all the time when I’m counting shots-at the loading table.

Clang, clang, clang, nothing, clang! That’s what a pistol miss sounds like.

😁

Kinda sounds the same as a hit in a dead zone...

 

Phantom

[Tn Tombstone]

The sound of a miss? It is the same as the sound of one hand clapping.

[Abilene, SASS # 27489]

Dead targets are a problem, but even loud targets (started to say live targets but that doesn't sound right ) all have one particular spot on them that is dead.  Most people don't know this. Nor do they believe me when I tell them I hit that spot.

 

Edited September 24, 2024 by Abilene, SASS # 27489

[I. M. Crossdraw, SASS# 8321]

4 hours ago, Tell Sackett SASS 18436 said:

What if it’s a Mr.s?

Then you've got more than one miss. Then it's a misses.

[Hoss]

For me, it only takes one “indicator@ for a hit

see the bullet hit

hear the bullet hit

see the target move

see impact point on paint 

any of those, it’s a hit! 
 

to call a miss I need 2 “indicators”

no see

no hear

no target movement 

see bullet hit berm/ground (if I see it hit the ground, look for edge hit) 

 

I never change my call from a hit to a miss. I can change from miss to hit if another spotter calls an edger. 
 

if I get distracted, blocked from view of target by another spotter, TO, shooter, whatever, it’s a hit. I don’t care if others have misses, I’m only calling what I saw. 
 

TOs should refrain from saying “Merry Christmas” or whatever if they disagree with counters. 

 

[Barry Sloe]

17 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

A guy said he heard a miss...was ask what a miss sounded like.

 

Cheers!

Phantom

Was it a miss or a dead target?? 

He should use ears and eyes, he'll have a much more harmonious outcome. 

 

BS

[Phantom, SASS #54973]

Just now, Barry Sloe said:

Was it a miss or a dead target?? 

He should use ears and eyes, he'll have a much more harmonious outcome. 

 

BS

Well that's the whole point of the silly story.

 

No visual, just "heard" a miss.

 

Phantom

[Texas Maverick]

15 hours ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said:

Dead targets are a problem, but even loud targets (started to say live targets but that doesn't sound right ) all have one particular spot on them that is dead.  Most people don't know this. Nor do they believe me when I tell them I hit that spot.

 

Yeah, you and I have that happen a lot. Seems all the targets we shoot have a large dead zone. LOL

 

TM

[Krazy Kajun]

Them damn Bar 3 chickens get the yips when i shoot at them....they shift just a little right before I pull the trigger.  Did I say I don't like the Bar 3 chickens? 😎

 

Kajun

Edited September 24, 2024 by Krazy Kajun

[Dutch Coroner]

3 hours ago, Krazy Kajun said:

Them damn Bar 3 chickens get the yips when i shoot at them....they shift just a little right before I pull the trigger.  Did I say I don't like the Bar 3 chickens? 😎

 

Kajun

Does anyone like the Bar 3 chickens?

[Garrison Joe, SASS #60708]

Stand hits will make a target plate move sometimes, and they sometimes will give a dull ring.  I never count just a wiggle or a thud as a hit.  I need the visual of a splash of lead and a real hit ring.  Watch out for "only stand hits" - they ARE misses.

 

good luck, GJ

Edited September 24, 2024 by Garrison Joe, SASS #60708

[Griff]

23 minutes ago, Dutch Coroner said:

Does anyone like the Bar 3 chickens?

I do... especially when I can shoot right before KK and hit them in the head... that way they have on "eye" and dodge KKs bullets better!  Wish I could be there this year, but just got a "blue light" treatment for skin cancer and have to stay outta the sun for 5 days.  

Edited September 24, 2024 by Griff

[Krazy Kajun]

8 minutes ago, Griff said:

I do... especially when I can shoot right before KK and hit them in the head... that way they have on "eye" and dodge KKs bullets better!  Wish I could be there this year, but just got a "blue light" treatment for skin cancer and have to stay outta the sun for 5 days.  

Damn....so YOU'RE the one....I just thought they didn't like me! 🐔🐔🐔

 

Kajun

[Idaho Gunslinger]

On 9/23/2024 at 3:02 PM, Marshal Dan Troop 70448 said:

I been to matches were there was a lead spotter and the other 2 used his call. Also been to one match were the TO called misses.

Have you ever been to a match where the shooter was the spotter?!  We had some people leave early and we were very short handed. 

 

Ended up being my first time ever TO'ing and I was having to spot while doing it!

 

[Marshal Dan Troop 70448]

31 minutes ago, Idaho Gunslinger said:

Have you ever been to a match where the shooter was the spotter?!  We had some people leave early and we were very short handed. 

 

Ended up being my first time ever TO'ing and I was having to spot while doing it!

 

It was a strange out of State Annual. Had enough on the posse and saw no one was spotting. I asked a shooter who is spotting and reply was that there the TO calls Ps, and Misses so no need for spotters. Never shot there again and used it as a practice event, and trying new things out I had thought about. My wife took pictures of the TO counting misses on his hand on several shooters including me. The TO afterwards gave time and misses to time keeper.

Edited September 24, 2024 by Marshal Dan Troop 70448

[Hud McCoy]

Then you the few shooters who get riled up over a miss and you see fingers for missies disappearing. It's just a game Francis.

[Sixgun Seamus]

I for one, never have any misses. I will occasionally fire a warning shot beside the target.

[watab kid]

"......

Spotters mantra!

If you see a hit, it's a hit!

If you think it's a hit, it's a hit!

If you think it's a miss, it's a hit!

If you see a miss, it's a miss.

....'

 

ive always used this religiously , i take the job seriously and watch close , also believe thats why we have three spotters everyone has a slightly different vantage point , ive been told that i needed to watch more careful a couple times by a  "spectator type" when the other two called a miss and i missed it but i generally just said if i knew it was a miss id have called it and remind the jerk that the doubt goes to the shooters advantage , besides if someone can do so much better they should step up and do the job rather than shirking the work , 

 

[Phantom, SASS #54973]

6 minutes ago, watab kid said:

Spotters mantra!

If you see a hit, it's a hit!

If you think it's a hit, it's a hit!

If you think it's a miss, it's a hit!

If you see a miss, it's a miss.

Slight correction on the last line:

 

If you KNOW it's a miss, it's a miss.

 

Phantom

[Abilene, SASS # 27489]

I've taken to yelling "it was an edge!" after every miss (even while still shooting).  A couple of times in the past several months it was  actually true and someone pointed it out and took away a miss.  

[watab kid]

9 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

Slight correction on the last line:

 

If you KNOW it's a miss, it's a miss.

 

Phantom

agreed , and great correction to the OP , thanks 

[Cpt Dan Blodgett, SASS #75655]

On 9/23/2024 at 1:51 PM, Tennessee williams said:

Then you can't take her out in public.

More likely she won't go out in public with me

[Dusty Devil Dale]

On 9/24/2024 at 6:58 AM, Hoss said:

 

to call a miss I need 2 “indicators”

no see

no hear

no target movement 

see bullet hit berm/ground (if I see it hit the ground, look for edge hit) 

 

 Sound is not always a reliable indicator of hits or misses, particularly with hearing impaired, ear protected spotters. 

Also, when plates are set close in, loud rounds that miss can echo off of plates in a way that resembles the sound and pitch of a hit.   We tested it one day while setting up a match.  Shooter fired 45 Colt, deliberately missing some of the plates.  Two spotters, standing behind the shooter  with eyes covered called hits on about half of the  missed rounds.  

 

I don't call misses unless I see a round strike something that is not the intended target.  I don't call misses based on things I did not actually see -- things like not seeing the target move or not seeing the bullet strike the plate.  Too often a bullet strikes a prior hit mark and does not leave a new visible mark. 

 

Splatter on the ground directly below and/or beside a target is usually a good hit indicator.   

 

[El Muerto Negro]

On 9/23/2024 at 5:53 PM, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

Kinda sounds the same as a hit in a dead zone...

 

Phantom

Sounds about right.

[Hoss]

2 hours ago, Dusty Devil Dale said:

 

 Sound is not always a reliable indicator of hits or misses, particularly with hearing impaired, ear protected spotters. 

Also, when plates are set close in, loud rounds that miss can echo off of plates in a way that resembles the sound and pitch of a hit.   We tested it one day while setting up a match.  Shooter fired 45 Colt, deliberately missing some of the plates.  Two spotters, standing behind the shooter  with eyes covered called hits on about half of the  missed rounds.  

 

I don't call misses unless I see a round strike something that is not the intended target.  I don't call misses based on things I did not actually see -- things like not seeing the target move or not seeing the bullet strike the plate.  Too often a bullet strikes a prior hit mark and does not leave a new visible mark. 

 

Splatter on the ground directly below and/or beside a target is usually a good hit indicator.   

 

I don’t use sound only (actually lack thereof) to determine a miss. It’s just one of the things I use to help me properly score.