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Spotters mantra!

If you see a hit, it's a hit!

If you think it's a hit, it's a hit!

If you think it's a miss, it's a hit!

If you see a miss, it's a miss.

 

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Bad Bud Ketchum, Crawdaddy, and English Tom are primed and ready!

 

 

 

 

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And, as the shooter, sometimes you have to remind yourself that even though they called a miss that you didn't agree with, you also got away with one two stages back that you knew you missed.

Posted
28 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

A guy said he heard a miss...was ask what a miss sounded like.

 

Cheers!

Phantom

I didn’t hear no misses!

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32 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

A guy said he heard a miss...was ask what a miss sounded like.

 

Cheers!

Phantom

It sounds very quiet!

I hear misses all the time when I’m counting shots-at the loading table.

Clang, clang, clang, nothing, clang! That’s what a pistol miss sounds like.

😁

Posted

I said it before....and I'll say it again.....there's a rancid chicken "afoot." 🐔🐔🐔

 

Kajun

 

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19 minutes ago, Tell Sackett SASS 18436 said:

It sounds very quiet!

I hear misses all the time when I’m counting shots-at the loading table.

Clang, clang, clang, nothing, clang! That’s what a pistol miss sounds like.

😁

Kinda sounds the same as a hit in a dead zone...

 

Phantom

Posted

The sound of a miss? It is the same as the sound of one hand clapping.

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Dead targets are a problem, but even loud targets (started to say live targets but that doesn't sound right ;)) all have one particular spot on them that is dead.  Most people don't know this. Nor do they believe me when I tell them I hit that spot.

 

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For me, it only takes one “indicator@ for a hit

see the bullet hit

hear the bullet hit

see the target move

see impact point on paint 

any of those, it’s a hit! 
 

to call a miss I need 2 “indicators”

no see

no hear

no target movement 

see bullet hit berm/ground (if I see it hit the ground, look for edge hit) 

 

I never change my call from a hit to a miss. I can change from miss to hit if another spotter calls an edger. 
 

if I get distracted, blocked from view of target by another spotter, TO, shooter, whatever, it’s a hit. I don’t care if others have misses, I’m only calling what I saw. 
 

TOs should refrain from saying “Merry Christmas” or whatever if they disagree with counters. 

 

Posted
17 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

A guy said he heard a miss...was ask what a miss sounded like.

 

Cheers!

Phantom

Was it a miss or a dead target?? 

He should use ears and eyes, he'll have a much more harmonious outcome. 

 

BS

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Just now, Barry Sloe said:

Was it a miss or a dead target?? 

He should use ears and eyes, he'll have a much more harmonious outcome. 

 

BS

Well that's the whole point of the silly story.

 

No visual, just "heard" a miss.

 

Phantom

Posted
15 hours ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said:

Dead targets are a problem, but even loud targets (started to say live targets but that doesn't sound right ;)) all have one particular spot on them that is dead.  Most people don't know this. Nor do they believe me when I tell them I hit that spot.

 

Yeah, you and I have that happen a lot. Seems all the targets we shoot have a large dead zone. LOL

 

TM

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Them damn Bar 3 chickens get the yips when i shoot at them....they shift just a little right before I pull the trigger.  Did I say I don't like the Bar 3 chickens? 😎

 

Kajun

Posted
3 hours ago, Krazy Kajun said:

Them damn Bar 3 chickens get the yips when i shoot at them....they shift just a little right before I pull the trigger.  Did I say I don't like the Bar 3 chickens? 😎

 

Kajun

Does anyone like the Bar 3 chickens?

Posted

Stand hits will make a target plate move sometimes, and they sometimes will give a dull ring.  I never count just a wiggle or a thud as a hit.  I need the visual of a splash of lead and a real hit ring.  Watch out for "only stand hits" - they ARE misses.

 

good luck, GJ

Posted
23 minutes ago, Dutch Coroner said:

Does anyone like the Bar 3 chickens?

I do... especially when I can shoot right before KK and hit them in the head... that way they have on "eye" and dodge KKs bullets better!  Wish I could be there this year, but just got a "blue light" treatment for skin cancer and have to stay outta the sun for 5 days.  

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8 minutes ago, Griff said:

I do... especially when I can shoot right before KK and hit them in the head... that way they have on "eye" and dodge KKs bullets better!  Wish I could be there this year, but just got a "blue light" treatment for skin cancer and have to stay outta the sun for 5 days.  

Damn....so YOU'RE the one....I just thought they didn't like me! 🐔🐔🐔

 

Kajun

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On 9/23/2024 at 3:02 PM, Marshal Dan Troop 70448 said:

I been to matches were there was a lead spotter and the other 2 used his call. Also been to one match were the TO called misses.

Have you ever been to a match where the shooter was the spotter?! :lol: We had some people leave early and we were very short handed. 

 

Ended up being my first time ever TO'ing and I was having to spot while doing it!

 

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31 minutes ago, Idaho Gunslinger said:

Have you ever been to a match where the shooter was the spotter?! :lol: We had some people leave early and we were very short handed. 

 

Ended up being my first time ever TO'ing and I was having to spot while doing it!

 

It was a strange out of State Annual. Had enough on the posse and saw no one was spotting. I asked a shooter who is spotting and reply was that there the TO calls Ps, and Misses so no need for spotters. Never shot there again and used it as a practice event, and trying new things out I had thought about. My wife took pictures of the TO counting misses on his hand on several shooters including me. The TO afterwards gave time and misses to time keeper.

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Posted

Then you the few shooters who get riled up over a miss and you see fingers for missies disappearing. It's just a game Francis.

Posted

I for one, never have any misses. I will occasionally fire a warning shot beside the target.:P

Posted

"......

Spotters mantra!

If you see a hit, it's a hit!

If you think it's a hit, it's a hit!

If you think it's a miss, it's a hit!

If you see a miss, it's a miss.

....'

 

ive always used this religiously , i take the job seriously and watch close , also believe thats why we have three spotters everyone has a slightly different vantage point , ive been told that i needed to watch more careful a couple times by a  "spectator type" when the other two called a miss and i missed it but i generally just said if i knew it was a miss id have called it and remind the jerk that the doubt goes to the shooters advantage , besides if someone can do so much better they should step up and do the job rather than shirking the work , 

 

Posted
6 minutes ago, watab kid said:

Spotters mantra!

If you see a hit, it's a hit!

If you think it's a hit, it's a hit!

If you think it's a miss, it's a hit!

If you see a miss, it's a miss.

Slight correction on the last line:

 

If you KNOW it's a miss, it's a miss.

 

Phantom

Posted

I've taken to yelling "it was an edge!" after every miss (even while still shooting).  A couple of times in the past several months it was  actually true and someone pointed it out and took away a miss.  :)

Posted
9 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

Slight correction on the last line:

 

If you KNOW it's a miss, it's a miss.

 

Phantom

agreed , and great correction to the OP , thanks 

Posted
On 9/24/2024 at 6:58 AM, Hoss said:


 

to call a miss I need 2 “indicators”

no see

no hear

no target movement 

see bullet hit berm/ground (if I see it hit the ground, look for edge hit) 

 

 Sound is not always a reliable indicator of hits or misses, particularly with hearing impaired, ear protected spotters. 

Also, when plates are set close in, loud rounds that miss can echo off of plates in a way that resembles the sound and pitch of a hit.   We tested it one day while setting up a match.  Shooter fired 45 Colt, deliberately missing some of the plates.  Two spotters, standing behind the shooter  with eyes covered called hits on about half of the  missed rounds.  

 

I don't call misses unless I see a round strike something that is not the intended target.  I don't call misses based on things I did not actually see -- things like not seeing the target move or not seeing the bullet strike the plate.  Too often a bullet strikes a prior hit mark and does not leave a new visible mark. 

 

Splatter on the ground directly below and/or beside a target is usually a good hit indicator.   

 

Posted
On 9/23/2024 at 5:53 PM, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

Kinda sounds the same as a hit in a dead zone...

 

Phantom

Sounds about right.

Posted
2 hours ago, Dusty Devil Dale said:

 

 Sound is not always a reliable indicator of hits or misses, particularly with hearing impaired, ear protected spotters. 

Also, when plates are set close in, loud rounds that miss can echo off of plates in a way that resembles the sound and pitch of a hit.   We tested it one day while setting up a match.  Shooter fired 45 Colt, deliberately missing some of the plates.  Two spotters, standing behind the shooter  with eyes covered called hits on about half of the  missed rounds.  

 

I don't call misses unless I see a round strike something that is not the intended target.  I don't call misses based on things I did not actually see -- things like not seeing the target move or not seeing the bullet strike the plate.  Too often a bullet strikes a prior hit mark and does not leave a new visible mark. 

 

Splatter on the ground directly below and/or beside a target is usually a good hit indicator.   

 

I don’t use sound only (actually lack thereof) to determine a miss. It’s just one of the things I use to help me properly score. 

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