.45 Colt: HOT loads (Ruger SBH Hunters and Marlin)

[Widder, SASS #59054]

Using load data from Hodgdon website load data, here are my recent results from some 'hot' loaded ammo.

 

Pistols were a 5.5" Ruger SBH Hunter, Mag-Na-Port'd.

A 7.5" Ruger SBH Hunter. (non-ported)

Marlin 1894 Cowboy cut to 16.5"

Velocity was chronographed 8 feet from muzzle

 

1st column: velocity from 5.5" Ruger

2nd column:  velocity from 7.5" Ruger

3rd column:  velocity from 16.5" Marlin 1894

4th column:  Muzzle Energy for each velocity shown in 'bold'.

 

240 gr. XTP Mag.         27.0 LilGun

1336          1431          1970          950 / 1091 / 2067

 

240 gr. XTP Mag.          27.5  H-110

1181          1220          1760           743 / 798 / 1650

 

 

250 gr. XTP.                   25.0 LilGun

1322          1318          1866          969 / 964 / 1932   (please note:  average velocity in the 7.5" was lower than the 5.5")

 

 

250 gr. XTP.                   26.0 H-110

1212          1245          1660           815 / 860 / 1629

 

CRIMP MOVEMENT:  a test bullet was used to measure movement at 3 shots, 6 shots, 9 shots and 12 shots.

At original OAL, my test bullet was 1.643

After 3 shots, the OAL was 1.644

After 6 shots, the OAL was 1.651

After 9 shots, the OAL was 1.651

After 12 shots, the OAL was 1.651

Although the bullet slightly moved from recoil, it never moved out of the crimp groove.

 

I was very happy with my crimp consistency.

 

Other useful info:

My brass was .454 Casull brass, cut to .45 Colt length.

Primers were Small Rifle Magnum.  (Casull brass uses Small primers)

There were NO pressure signs showing any flattened primers, BUT..... slightly sticky ejections from the Marlin

were experienced when firing the .240 gr. XTP Mag using 27.0 Lilgun powder.  

I had NO split cases.

 

Because accuracy is subjected to the shooter, I will only say that I am well pleased with the accuracy of

all these reloads.    At 10 yards, both Ruger's were hitting at the same POA.

 

I love shooting big bore pistols, but I must admit that shooting gloves are recommended.  

 

..........Widder

 

[Colorado Coffinmaker]

 

In my sordid past, when still dabbling in that Fad Heathen Smokeless stuff, I worked up a load for my three Screw Ruger Blackhawk.  4.6 inch barrel.  265Gr cast Keith type SWC.  Went thru a friends chrono at an average of 1475.  It was NOT fun to shoot.  I installed way oversize grips and shot it with a shooting glove.  Still twern't fun at all.

[Warden Callaway]

I've wasted time thinking about how hot you could load for the Ruger Old Army with conversion cylinders.  But why bother? I have a Smith 29 in 44 Magnum.  I have a three screw Ruger Blackhawk 45 Colt.  I don't need this power in a handgun. Just take a rifle and be done with it. 

[Colorado Coffinmaker]

 

Spoil Sport 

[Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001]

use the right tool for the job at hand 

[Widder, SASS #59054]

5 hours ago, Warden Callaway said:

I've wasted time thinking about how hot you could load for the Ruger Old Army with conversion cylinders.  But why bother? I have a Smith 29 in 44 Magnum.  I have a three screw Ruger Blackhawk 45 Colt.  I don't need this power in a handgun. Just take a rifle and be done with it. 

 

For me, its comforting to know that I have a good handgun close by should a rampaging, charging Jurassic Groundhog

comes after me.

 

..........Widder

 

[Pat Riot]

I think it’s interesting that you got an additional 400-500 FPS from the carbine. 
 

Some guy tried to tell me I would only get 100 fps from my Henry X model over what I would see from a revolver. I told him I thought he was wrong, but I had no way to counter his naïveté as I do not have a chronograph. 
 

At one time in my life hot rounds like that attracted me. My thumb joints & wrists yell at me with spicy loads now…probably because I used to be attracted to loads like that. 
 

Thanks for the test data. That’s impressive. 

[Widder, SASS #59054]

PR

 

I've used 2 different Chrono's over the past few years and the results of the hot loads in the rifle are always

real impressive in BOTH of my Marlin .45's.

 

I've mentioned many times that a good hot .45 Colt load in a rifle will give results that mirror .454 Casull fodder

from a 7" pistol.   

 

At 73, the only physical hinderance I seem to have is eye sight.   So far, my hands, thumbs, etc..... still enjoy those

big 'thunder boomers'.

I will admit that the Marlin does have some noticeable felt recoil on the shoulder.   But most big bore lever guns

do, especially with smokeless powder.

 

Glad you like the information.

 

........,,Widder

 

[Smokin Gator SASS #29736]

3 hours ago, Pat Riot said:

I think it’s interesting that you got an additional 400-500 FPS from the carbine. 
 

Some guy tried to tell me I would only get 100 fps from my Henry X model over what I would see from a revolver. I told him I thought he was wrong, but I had no way to counter his naïveté as I do not have a chronograph. 
 

At one time in my life hot rounds like that attracted me. My thumb joints & wrists yell at me with spicy loads now…probably because I used to be attracted to loads like that. 
 

Thanks for the test data. That’s impressive. 

 

I'd think that if you're shooting light loads or even more standard loads the difference between revolver and rifle velocities would be more in the 150-200fps region. But those hotter loads with those powders take more advantage of the longer barrels.

[Pat Riot]

1 minute ago, Smokin Gator SASS #29736 said:

 

I'd think that if you're shooting light loads or even more standard loads the difference between revolver and rifle velocities would be more in the 150-200fps region. But those hotter loads with those powders take more advantage of the longer barrels.

Yeah, I need a chronograph to be sure. 

[Texas Jack Black]

21 hours ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said:

Using load data from Hodgdon website load data, here are my recent results from some 'hot' loaded ammo.

 

Pistols were a 5.5" Ruger SBH Hunter, Mag-Na-Port'd.

A 7.5" Ruger SBH Hunter. (non-ported)

Marlin 1894 Cowboy cut to 16.5"

Velocity was chronographed 8 feet from muzzle

 

1st column: velocity from 5.5" Ruger

2nd column:  velocity from 7.5" Ruger

3rd column:  velocity from 16.5" Marlin 1894

4th column:  Muzzle Energy for each velocity shown in 'bold'.

 

240 gr. XTP Mag.         27.0 LilGun

1336          1431          1970          950 / 1091 / 2067

 

240 gr. XTP Mag.          27.5  H-110

1181          1220          1760           743 / 798 / 1650

 

 

250 gr. XTP.                   25.0 LilGun

1322          1318          1866          969 / 964 / 1932   (please note:  average velocity in the 7.5" was lower than the 5.5")

 

 

250 gr. XTP.                   26.0 H-110

1212          1245          1660           815 / 860 / 1629

 

CRIMP MOVEMENT:  a test bullet was used to measure movement at 3 shots, 6 shots, 9 shots and 12 shots.

At original OAL, my test bullet was 1.643

After 3 shots, the OAL was 1.644

After 6 shots, the OAL was 1.651

After 9 shots, the OAL was 1.651

After 12 shots, the OAL was 1.651

Although the bullet slightly moved from recoil, it never moved out of the crimp groove.

 

I was very happy with my crimp consistency.

 

Other useful info:

My brass was .454 Casull brass, cut to .45 Colt length.

Primers were Small Rifle Magnum.  (Casull brass uses Small primers)

There were NO pressure signs showing any flattened primers, BUT..... slightly sticky ejections from the Marlin

were experienced when firing the .240 gr. XTP Mag using 27.0 Lilgun powder.  

I had NO split cases.

 

Because accuracy is subjected to the shooter, I will only say that I am well pleased with the accuracy of

all these reloads.    At 10 yards, both Ruger's were hitting at the same POA.

 

I love shooting big bore pistols, but I must admit that shooting gloves are recommended.  

 

..........Widder

 

 10 yds. 

[bgavin]

After having a 4x bypass, I admit I am spooky about heavy recoil at the shoulder.
I've also read there is a correlation between this heavy recoil and detached retina.

 

My neighbor has a Smith 460 that he simply hates.
He traded his beloved 454 to his brother for the 460.

It hurts his wrists so bad when he shoots the 460.
I suggested mouse phart loads so he could enjoy it.

Myself, I'd just dump the damn thing and be done with it.

Don't like guns that are painful to shoot.

My 44 Alaskan with full house loads and Hogue Tamer grips is a pleasure to shoot.
My 44 Redhawk with factory grips... not so much.  Not at all.

[Widder, SASS #59054]

2 hours ago, Texas Jack Black said:

 10 yds. 

 

Hey TJB.

 

Yea, 10 yrds.     My test was for velocities and not accuracy.   BUT, I did place a 2" target at 10 yards to see

if my Point of Impact was the same as my Point of Aim.    Basically, both pistols are capable of 'Minute of Snake Head'

accuracy at 10 yards......  

 

..........Widder

 

[Widder, SASS #59054]

57 minutes ago, bgavin said:

After having a 4x bypass, I admit I am spooky about heavy recoil at the shoulder.
I've also read there is a correlation between this heavy recoil and detached retina.

 

My neighbor has a Smith 460 that he simply hates.
He traded his beloved 454 to his brother for the 460.

It hurts his wrists so bad when he shoots the 460.
I suggested mouse phart loads so he could enjoy it.

Myself, I'd just dump the damn thing and be done with it.

Don't like guns that are painful to shoot.

My 44 Alaskan with full house loads and Hogue Tamer grips is a pleasure to shoot.
My 44 Redhawk with factory grips... not so much.  Not at all.

 

Howdy Bgavin.     I'm glad you saw this thread.

 

As you already know cause we've discussed it before,  it took me over 2 years before I would shoulder my shotgun again.

After consulting with my heart doctor, he said that unless I had other symptoms of heart issues,  It should be o.k. for 

me to shoot shoulder guns again.     I didn't seem to have any issues with shooting the SG or a thumping rifle.

 

BUT, I can sure understand your concerns and there will come a time when you'll know it feels right to shoot 

some shoulder fired 'thumpers'.

 

Best regards and keep in touch.

 

..........Widder

 

[bgavin]

My neighbor had a 5-way bypass done 12 years ago.
He just went in with cardiac distress and they put three stents into his bypass work.
Apparently his grafts were clogging up, same as my original stents did, which got me the bypass.

 

I'm age 73, and realistically hope to reach age 85 in good mental condition.
This is 12 years, so I hope my CABG lasts as long as my neighbors did.

They really brutalized him this time around...

Work was done through the groin instead of the arm.
He was on max fentanyl and said the in-work pain felt like they were ripping his heart out from the inside and through his rectum.

 

The real scary part is the frequency of stories I've read about detached retinas in those shooting the shoulder pounders.
My real world revolves around the ability to see to do what I do.
Loss of vision would bring my entire world to a halt.

 

[J.D. Daily]

On 9/15/2024 at 11:33 AM, bgavin said:

After having a 4x bypass, I admit I am spooky about heavy recoil at the shoulder.
I've also read there is a correlation between this heavy recoil and detached retina.

 

My neighbor has a Smith 460 that he simply hates.
He traded his beloved 454 to his brother for the 460.

It hurts his wrists so bad when he shoots the 460.
I suggested mouse phart loads so he could enjoy it.

Myself, I'd just dump the damn thing and be done with it.

Don't like guns that are painful to shoot.

My 44 Alaskan with full house loads and Hogue Tamer grips is a pleasure to shoot.
My 44 Redhawk with factory grips... not so much.  Not at all.

There is no reason to get rid of the Smith X frame in 460 S&W.  Feed it 45 Colt.

[bgavin]

I’ll pass it along 

[Smokin Gator SASS #29736]

2 hours ago, J.D. Daily said:

There is no reason to get rid of the Smith X frame in 460 S&W.  Feed it 45 Colt.

 

But now you have this massive chunk of steel to just shoot 45 Colt.

[J.D. Daily]

16 hours ago, Smokin Gator SASS #29736 said:

 

But now you have this massive chunk of steel to just shoot 45 Colt.

Other than collecting Smith & Wesson hand guns the only reasons to own an X frame is hunting with a handgun & bear protection.  The advantage of the 460 is you can practice with 45 Colt.  If you ever have to use it for its' intended purpose the adrenaline in your blood means you won't feel the hammering from the recoil.  The heaviest recoiling handgun I've shot was a Model 29 and that is why I purchased a Taurus Raging Bull and game it to my son for graduating from Paramedic school.  The porting & recoil absorbing grip made the recoil tolerable.   

[Smokin Gator SASS #29736]

1 minute ago, J.D. Daily said:

Other than collecting Smith & Wesson hand guns the only reasons to own an X frame is hunting with a handgun & bear protection.  The advantage of the 460 is you can practice with 45 Colt.  If you ever have to use it for its' intended purpose the adrenaline in your blood means you won't feel the hammering from the recoil.  The heaviest recoiling handgun I've shot was a Model 29 and that is why I purchased a Taurus Raging Bull and game it to my son for graduating from Paramedic school.  The porting & recoil absorbing grip made the recoil tolerable.   

 

That's true. But if you can't handle the heavier loads and are going to limit yourself to 45 Colt loads, still a big gun.

[Widder, SASS #59054]

BTT

 

 

..........Widder

 

[Blackwater 53393]

Thanks, Widder!  I didn’t think of moving the thread back up front!

 

Those folks over on the Warr should appreciate your info!!

[Pat Riot]

This evening was the first time I looked at the Wire in nearly a year. Still the same as it was last year. I get severe Deja vu when I go over there. 

[Pat Riot]

On 9/14/2024 at 3:08 PM, Widder, SASS #59054 said:

Other useful info:

My brass was .454 Casull brass, cut to .45 Colt length.

Howdy Widder. I have a few questions. 
 

1. Is .454 Casull brass noticeably thicker than .45 Colt brass? 
2. With these pressures / velocities does the brass expand and seal the chamber?

3. Would Small Pistol Magnum primers work in lieu of Small Rifle Magnum primers?

4. Last question…maybe  Which powder do you like better, Lil’ Gun or H-110?

 

The other day I went to several gun stores and I saw a few 1# containers of H-110 at one of them - can’t remember for sure which store now. 
Anyway, I happened to notice it and didn’t think much about it, but this morning I decided to go get me a pound and try working up some loads for my Henry X model. 
I’ll bet a nice warm .45 Colt load would be just the ticket for Bambi and friends out to or maybe a little beyond 100 yards. 

I have 2 rifles, 3 if I count my SFAR, that I may use for deer hunting this year. I actually have more options than that but I do not trust my vision to shoot at animals with iron sights.
I have a new Mossberg Patriot .308 Win. and my Henry X .45 Colt. Both are scoped. 
I have a couple of loads for the Henry that are dead on and accurate at 50 yards. At 100 they tend to drop 6-8” and spread. I’m pretty sure I can’t get a deer to accommodate my 50 yards preference so If they won’t come to me I will go to them. 

[Widder, SASS #59054]

Howdy PR

 

1.  I've never check out the brass thickness EXCEPT the 'web' is thicker because of the use of Small Primers (pistol or rifle).

 

2. In my Marlin, YES, the pressures seal very well.   I get NO blow-by coming back at me.

 

3. YES, Small pistol primers would work.   I use the Rifle primers because of their noted 'thickness' to help withstand

the higher pressures.   Even with these high pressure loads, I never experience a flattened primer or any signs of cratering.

 

4. LilGun is my favorite, without doubt.   A few years back, H-110 was my favorite until I tested LilGun. 

If you check my velocity results above, you can see a distinct difference using the LilGun.

Now, using H-110 will still give you great results but PLEASE be sure to follow the manufacturers load information concerning

H-110.   It IS NOT a powder that needs to be used to 'down-load' your ammo.

 

Feel good that you were able to get the H-110.    If your price was right, you might want to go buy another couple bottles.

At the amount you will be using to reload, it doesn't last long.

 

One other thought:  When you get that prized deer or ugly hog in your crosshairs, and you touch off that screaming .45 slug,

your game won't really care if that slug is going 1900+ fps or 1700+ fps.   And it won't know the difference between being

shot with LilGun or H-110.   

 

Like you, my eye sight ain't trustworthy and I have a nice Leupold 2X scope mounted on my Marlin.

 

I really like the XTP 'MAG' bullets, in both 240 grain and 300 grain.    The XTP 'MAG' doesn't come in the 250 grain.

When you look at the 'Mag' bullets, you can tell the jacket is thicker/stronger and should work very well at high

velocities against deer, hog and bear.

 

..........Widder

 

[Pat Riot]

Thank you @Widder, SASS #59054

I haven’t got the powder in hand yet. I saw it but didn’t consider buying it until last night. Of course I mentally kicked myself in the rear. 
Sometimes I am the densest person I know. 
 

Yes, I have heard H-110 is not a powder to load down. I am a stickler for following manufacturer load recommendations. I have witnessed too many “Hold my beer and watch this” moments in my life. 
 

EDIT: Speaking of Manuf recommendations, Hodgdon doesn’t list H110 loads in .45 Colt. 

Edited September 25 by Pat Riot

[El Chapo]

46 minutes ago, Pat Riot said:

EDIT: Speaking of Manuf recommendations, Hodgdon doesn’t list H110 loads in .45 Colt. 

 

Maybe not anymore.  Loads like this have been on the "Ruger Only" page for generations.  Elmer Keith used to shoot them out of SAAs although I would NOT recommend that.

 

I don't shoot jacketed bullets in .45 Colt but I'd also warn anyone that the loads above are hotter than I've ever seen published anywhere.  My loads are 24 grains for 255s and 21 grains for 300 grain bullets (and those loads are more powerful than any book 44 Magnum load so use with caution in Rugers only!).

[Widder, SASS #59054]

56 minutes ago, El Chapo said:

 

 

I don't shoot jacketed bullets in .45 Colt but I'd also warn anyone that the loads above are hotter than I've ever seen published anywhere.  My loads are 24 grains for 255s and 21 grains for 300 grain bullets (and those loads are more powerful than any book 44 Magnum load so use with caution in Rugers only!).

 

Hodgdon's website has all the info I listed and NONE of my listed load data is maximum stuff, based on their website.

 

AND..... the load data on their website has a section just for .45 Colt. (Ruger, Freedom Arms and TC only) firearms.

 

I don't load wildcat stuff.   I often check loading manuals AND the powder manufacturers website before I start

testing my handholds.    And even with my .460 Rowlands, my handholds are well within their recommended 

power ranges.

 

..........Widder

 

[bgavin]

There is some chatter about Lil Gun eroding chambers and top straps.
I looked it over very closely, but passed in favor of 296/H110.

Then again, my interest is more in the rifle application than in revolvers.
H110/296 is very kind to 1873 toggle link actions, as it doesn't develop as high a chamber pressure, but still produces the velocity.

 

I can only imagine the fireball one gets from H110 in a hand gun when shooting in the dark.
The slow powder continues to burn long after it exits the muzzle.

 

[El Chapo]

41 minutes ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said:

 

Hodgdon's website has all the info I listed and NONE of my listed load data is maximum stuff, based on their website.

 

AND..... the load data on their website has a section just for .45 Colt. (Ruger, Freedom Arms and TC only) firearms.

 

I don't load wildcat stuff.   I often check loading manuals AND the powder manufacturers website before I start

testing my handholds.    And even with my .460 Rowlands, my handholds are well within their recommended 

power ranges.

 

..........Widder

 

 

H110/296 doesn't really have "maximum" stuff.  It isn't to be downloaded in any cartridge and should be loaded more like a shotgun, following a recipe.

 

I also highly doubt that any book has data for 454 cases cut down to 45 Colt length nor 45 colt with small rifle primers.  Normally I wouldn't spend a lot of time worrying about that but Ruger Only 45 Colt is an area where I would not want to take any chances.  The good thing is that 454 cases are made for much higher pressure than even Ruger 45 Colt loads, but that doesn't mean that you can simply cut the cases down and load them as if they have the same internal volume as a 45 Colt case, because they likely do not.

Edited September 25 by El Chapo

[Pat Riot]

As “Murphy” would have it the store that had the H-110 is out of 1# bottles. They have 8# for $330, but I am not interested in buying that much. 
I snoozed, I losed! 
 

It ain’t the end of the world. 
I have some other stores to check out. 

[Widder, SASS #59054]

5 hours ago, El Chapo said:

 

H110/296 doesn't really have "maximum" stuff.  It isn't to be downloaded in any cartridge and should be loaded more like a shotgun, following a recipe.

 

 

 

I don't know where you are getting your information, but you should atleast reference it so we all will be more knowledgeable

of what you say.

 

Once again, I will share the information that is listed on Hodgdon's website, regardless of what brass they used or the time of day

they did their test or what they had for breakfast.

 

From Hodgdon's website:  NOTE: they list minimum AND Maximum load data.

240 grain HP.       H-110.      Min: 27.2      MAX:  28.0

250 grain HP.       H-110      Min: 25.7         MAX 26.5

 

240 grain.         LilGun    Min: 27.0         MAX 27.8

250 grain.         Lilgun        Min: 23.5.         MAX 25.5

 

I don't know where you are getting your information, but the website states Minimum and Maximum load data for

H-110.

 

And the pressures given for  H-110 are about the same as LilGun charges, if not a little more.

Maximum pressure given for the LilGun data is LESS THAN 30,000 CUP.

Maximum pressure given for the H-110 date is a tad OVER 30,000 CUP.

 

I shared my info from 1st hand test shooting, especially checking for multiple pressure signs.   If somebody don't

want to use it, then don't.

If ya don't like the brass I used, then don't use it.

 

But if you are going to neglect and refute the load data I have stated, you should check out the referenced Hodgdon

Website before trying to contradict such data.

 

While some are weary of pressure, check out the pressures generated by H-110 in the .44 Mag.

Some of those pressures EXCEED 36,000.

 

..........Widder

 

 

 

 

[El Chapo]

20 hours ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said:

 

I don't know where you are getting your information, but you should atleast reference it so we all will be more knowledgeable

of what you say.

 

Once again, I will share the information that is listed on Hodgdon's website, regardless of what brass they used or the time of day

they did their test or what they had for breakfast.

 

From Hodgdon's website:  NOTE: they list minimum AND Maximum load data.

240 grain HP.       H-110.      Min: 27.2      MAX:  28.0

250 grain HP.       H-110      Min: 25.7         MAX 26.5

 

240 grain.         LilGun    Min: 27.0         MAX 27.8

250 grain.         Lilgun        Min: 23.5.         MAX 25.5

 

I don't know where you are getting your information, but the website states Minimum and Maximum load data for

H-110.

 

And the pressures given for  H-110 are about the same as LilGun charges, if not a little more.

Maximum pressure given for the LilGun data is LESS THAN 30,000 CUP.

Maximum pressure given for the H-110 date is a tad OVER 30,000 CUP.

 

I shared my info from 1st hand test shooting, especially checking for multiple pressure signs.   If somebody don't

want to use it, then don't.

If ya don't like the brass I used, then don't use it.

 

But if you are going to neglect and refute the load data I have stated, you should check out the referenced Hodgdon

Website before trying to contradict such data.

 

While some are weary of pressure, check out the pressures generated by H-110 in the .44 Mag.

Some of those pressures EXCEED 36,000.

 

..........Widder

 

The data you have posted confirms exactly what I've been saying.  The "minimum" and "maximum" are within 3% of each other.  Every reloading manual ever published encourages a 10% reduction and to "work up" to maximum loads, but none of them recommend that for H110/W296 because it's not loaded that way.  It's loaded in a narrow range of charge weights for a reason.   The conventional concept of a minimum and maximum load simply does not apply to those two powders, regardless of the cartridge (I've loaded it in both 357 Magnum and 45 Colt Ruger Only loads).

 

I could take a picture of every loading manual on earth, but I'm quite certain all of them that list data for H110 tell you to never download it below what is published (that narrow range we're talking about).

 

"Pressure signs" is also not applicable to 45 Colt/Ruger only loads.  The pressure it takes to flatten a primer is way beyond anything you want to shoot in any 45 Colt firearm. The SAAMI max pressure for regular 45 Colt loads is less than half of that of a modern magnum cartridge.  A "Ruger Only" 45 Colt is basically trying to turn 45 Colt into a magnum (and does the job quite well and safely, with the right components in the right firearm).

 

The pressure limit for 454 Casull is 65,000 PSI.  That is why it has a rifle primer specified and why I cautioned you from shortening the cases and then loading a 45 Colt load out of the book without at least measuring the water capacity of the cases you created.  Published loads are valid only for the components listed.  I doubt any manual lists loads for the brass you made yourself and I also doubt the capacity is similar to any 45 Colt case.  That's something you will want to know before you torch one of those babies off in a 45 Colt firearm.  If you're shooting them in an X frame or something, perhaps the only risk is damaged brass.

 

45 Colt Ruger Only loads should be approached very carefully.  Part of the reason I don't shoot 45 Colt in Cowboy is that I don't want to even have a gun around where one of those could unintentionally get into a gun that isn't made to handle that kind of pressure.  If one is not careful, it's safer and easier to buy a 44 Magnum or a 454/460. 

[Pat Riot]

58 minutes ago, El Chapo said:

Every reloading manual ever published encourages a 10% reduction and to "work up" to maximum loads, but none of them recommend that for H110/W296 because it's not loaded that way. 

These are from the maker of H-110. They manufacture it and develop the load data for it. I would prefer to go by what they say if I were loading these bullets and powder. 
 

 

 

By the way, my name is on the top one because I had to merge 2 screenshots in my Meme app. 

[Widder, SASS #59054]

Thanks for posting PR.

 

I don't know why anyone has to 'confirm' or 'disprove' the data I posted.   My test results speak for itself.

 

Sure, some folks will cringe at shooting 'Hot' stuff, but it can't be denied the loading information is available from

powder Manufacturers,  including MINIMUM and MAXIMUM data.

 

And, like wise, some folks will salivate over the data and use it to work up their own 'Hot' stuff.

 

The data itself needs no 'confirmation'.    Its just data from my reloading and shooting results from 3 different firearms.

And there is a lot of good data involved that I have shared.     

I don't know why anyone feels the need to disparage my results or the manner in which I obtained those results.

It ain't much different in the manner in which manufacturers gather their data to share with us.

We take the same data and share it, plain and simple.

 

I've yet to blow up or destroy a firearm from my reloads...... BUT, I have blown up an 1897 SG and a SIG P320 using

FACTORY ammo.    Go figure.

 

Again, thanks for posting that 'screen shot' on the load data from the powder manufacturer.

 

Maybe you can also post a screen shot of the 240 grain bullets.

 

..........Widder

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 26 by Widder, SASS #59054