Maine has a Three Day Waiting Period

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

To all my fellow New England Pards...

If you didn't know, and I did not, Maine has instituted a 3 day waiting period on gun purchases.    I went up the Kittery Trading Post today for Septemberfest, and found a great rifle, an Uberti 66 in .32-20, something I thought I'd never see, and would have bought it.  It would have been free thanks to some gift cards I have.   

But, before we started the paperwork, the clerk asked me if I knew about the waiting period.   Apparently Maine recently enacted a 3 day one recently.   I had no clue.   To be honest, it take me about an hour and a half to get up to Kittery, which is why I don't go all that often.   I guess I'll be going even less now.   

 

[Rye Miles #13621]

Waiting periods are the dumbest idea ever!😡

[Eyesa Horg]

 

Vermont is now too. "If it stops just one suicide" it's worth infringing on the other 600K+ residents. Will pretty much kill gun shows which I'm bettin was the real agenda. 

[Eyesa Horg]

3 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said:

To all my fellow New England Pards...

If you didn't know, and I did not, Maine has instituted a 3 day waiting period on gun purchases.    I went up the Kittery Trading Post today for Septemberfest, and found a great rifle, an Uberti 66 in .32-20, something I thought I'd never see, and would have bought it.  It would have been free thanks to some gift cards I have.   

But, before we started the paperwork, the clerk asked me if I knew about the waiting period.   Apparently Maine recently enacted a 3 day one recently.   I had no clue.   To be honest, it take me about an hour and a half to get up to Kittery, which is why I don't go all that often.   I guess I'll be going even less now.   

 

Hour and a half of isn't that bad, make a day of it. Most LGSs here are an hour or more for me. 

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

1 hour ago, Eyesa Horg said:

Hour and a half of isn't that bad, make a day of it. Most LGSs here are an hour or more for me. 

 

Well, yeah, it winds up being an all day affair.   But if you can't buy anything...

Oh well.

[Kid Rich]

Some of these gun laws/rules make no sense. I purchase a gun in Cabelas and they have to escort me to the door with it. All this while I am carrying a loaded pistol in a holster. I do have a carry permit. They do not even call ATF after I fill out the forms because of my permit.

kR

[Badlands Bob #61228]

12 minutes ago, Kid Rich said:

Some of these gun laws/rules make no sense. I purchase a gun in Cabelas and they have to escort me to the door with it. All this while I am carrying a loaded pistol in a holster. I do have a carry permit. They do not even call ATF after I fill out the forms because of my permit.

kR

You should see the ceremony they go through when you buy a gun at Walmart.  

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

Generically, I get the "walking the purchaser out," thing, but only to an extent.   At Cabela's, especially in a case like yours where you are open carrying, it does seem kinda silly.

But what does Walmart do?   I've never actually bought a gun there.   I know when I worked at K-Mart in the 80s (I miss that place!) that when I sold someone a gun, I did walk them to the exit and hand them the box on their way out, so that's why I "get" it, but beyond that, I am curious as to what Walmart does.

[Griff]

14 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said:

Well, yeah, it winds up being an all day affair.   But if you can't buy anything...

Obviously not a "need", more like a "kinda want".  Heck, waiting for my last 1851 to arrive after being shipped was tough enough...

1 hour ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said:

But what does Walmart do? 

The last time I bought a gun at Wal-Mart (2008), I had to go to a counter in back, and they handed me the box after ensuring all the contents were present.  (Gun, complete & assembled and 2 30-round mags). 

[Colorado Coffinmaker]

 

H. K.  Waddia mean "Can't Buy Anything."  You certainly CAN buy something.  Just a piddly little delay before you take it home.  And, if you saw something you never thought you'd see, like a '66 in 32-20, I would think you'd most certainly buy it, delay be dam'd.  Sniveling over nada me thinks.

[Wyatt Earp SASS#1628L]

I was a deputy sheriff in California for 30 years. I bought losta cowboy guns on my lunch hour over the years. Full uniform and sidearm. 10 day wait each time. So ya, if you're legally carrying a gun when you walk in, i.e leo or ccw, why do you have to wait?

 

In the early 2010's CA passed a law that if you are a current gun owner you did not have to wait ten days. Law was never put into effect due to the Attorney General at the time who stated they were trying to work our how to implement the law. Who, you may ask was the Attorney General? Why Kamala Harris, of course. At first, she appealed the law with some outlandish allegations against lawful gun owners, then when that failed she just refused to implement the law.

 

https://www.cagunrights.org/the-silvester-v-harris-10-day-waiting-period-case-appeal-part-i-the-states-opening-brief

Edited September 15 by Wyatt Earp SASS#1628L
reference added

[Badlands Bob #61228]

9 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said:

Generically, I get the "walking the purchaser out," thing, but only to an extent.   At Cabela's, especially in a case like yours where you are open carrying, it does seem kinda silly.

But what does Walmart do?   I've never actually bought a gun there.   I know when I worked at K-Mart in the 80s (I miss that place!) that when I sold someone a gun, I did walk them to the exit and hand them the box on their way out, so that's why I "get" it, but beyond that, I am curious as to what Walmart does.

It's been close to 20 years since I bought my rifle at Walmart.  As I recall, there had to be a store manager and a sporting goods manager approve the gun sale after filling out all sorts of paperwork, including the 4473.  Then you got walked to the parking lot by the manager and handed the gun in the box and told not to bring it back into the store.  No waiting period but since they ordered the rifle for me, I had to wait about a week or more for it to come in.  It was a Winchester 94 Trails end in .357 for $366.00.  I still have that rifle.  It's fun to shoot and carry but it's no good for CAS.  

[Phantom, SASS #54973]

15 hours ago, Kid Rich said:

Some of these gun laws/rules make no sense. I purchase a gun in Cabelas and they have to escort me to the door with it. All this while I am carrying a loaded pistol in a holster. I do have a carry permit. They do not even call ATF after I fill out the forms because of my permit.

kR

That's not a gun law/rule. That a company policy.

 

Phantom

PS: Yes, there could be city laws...

[The Rainmaker, SASS #11631]

Personally, I think waiting periods are a good thing; stops all the spontaneous killings...

Um... OY! (for you Phantom)

NO! I don't believe waiting periods do a damned thing!

Worked in a CA gun shop and a quiet young guy comes in, checks out a rifle, fills out the paperwork, waits his 10 days then promptly goes out and kills two women!

CBI comes in and says there were prints on the weapon that didn't belong to the suspect (I raise my hand; I did the required demo. gave them prints). Then they come back a week later and say they found dna on the weapon that didn't belong to the suspect (I raise my hand, remember I did the demo. gave them dna) then I asked if I would be held over for the trial (I already lost an active duty assignment due to a military trial I was held for) and they said if they needed me they would fly me back. Guy was military; I wanted to impose sentence myself. Do waiting periods work? HELL No they don't! Dumb

[Trailrider #896]

Colorado now has a three-day waiting period, as well. 

[Eyesa Horg]

A right delayed, is a right denied.

[El Chapo]

13 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

That's not a gun law/rule. That a company policy.

 

Phantom

PS: Yes, there could be city laws...

 

Last time I bought a gun at Cabelas, they insisted that I had to leave the trigger lock on the gun until I left the store.  I wasn't going to leave the gun in the car to bring them back their trigger lock, so I threw it away when I got home.

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

25 minutes ago, El Chapo said:

 

Last time I bought a gun at Cabelas, they insisted that I had to leave the trigger lock on the gun until I left the store.  I wasn't going to leave the gun in the car to bring them back their trigger lock, so I threw it away when I got home.

 

LOL!   I have a small collection of trigger locks from guns I have purchased.   Living in Massachusetts, I have held on to them only if I ever have to travel with so many guns that I don't have a hard case for them all.   Those that wind up in an old fashioned soft gun case get a lock on them, just to avoid potential problems.

[Phantom, SASS #54973]

43 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said:

 

LOL!   I have a small collection of trigger locks from guns I have purchased.   Living in Massachusetts, I have held on to them only if I ever have to travel with so many guns that I don't have a hard case for them all.   Those that wind up in an old fashioned soft gun case get a lock on them, just to avoid potential problems.

Locks are required with ALL handgun purchases...Federal Law.

 

Phantom

[Eyesa Horg]

Huh! The last seven I've bought weren't locked to leave the LGS. 3 came with locks ( in the box)  as they were new, but not the 4 used ones.

Edited September 16 by Eyesa Horg

[Still hand Bill]

On 9/15/2024 at 6:50 AM, Badlands Bob #61228 said:

You should see the ceremony they go through when you buy a gun at Walmart.  

I bought ammo one time with a rifle as the manager was slow to show up for the approval.  Had to walk me to my car in a snowstorm.  
 

no ammo, just walk you to the door, with ammo, walk you to your car.  

[El Sobrante Kid]

Don't forget that all these seemingly silly store policies are conceived of and implemented by the VP's etc., and lawyers at the company headquarters. It is not the local employees that come up with this stuff... they just want to keep their jobs.

[Wyatt Earp SASS#1628L]

For a long time in CA there was a 15 day waiting period, which was shortened to 10. You would buy the gun, do the background check an DROS, then come back in 10 days. Then alot of gunshops got specific so that if you bought the gun a say, 2PM, you had to wait until 2:01PM on the 10th day. If you came in at 11AM, no gun, wait until after 2PM. I believe it's still that way.

Here in the free state of Utah, I show CCW, flll out form on computer (5 minutes), pay and walk out ALL BY MYSELF

[El Sobrante Kid]

5 minutes ago, Wyatt Earp SASS#1628L said:

For a long time in CA there was a 15 day waiting period, which was shortened to 10. You would buy the gun, do the background check an DROS, then come back in 10 days. Then alot of gunshops got specific so that if you bought the gun a say, 2PM, you had to wait until 2:01PM on the 10th day. If you came in at 11AM, no gun, wait until after 2PM. I believe it's still that way.

Here in the free state of Utah, I show CCW, flll out form on computer (5 minutes), pay and walk out ALL BY MYSELF

 

If you read the CA law that controls/defines this, you will see that the wording says "10, 24 hour periods", not 10 days. So in the land of CA, where a gun shop is frequently the target of the local government to be shut down for just about any reason they can find, you bet your a$$ the LGS will follow the exact letter of the law.

[Eliphalet R. Moderator]

On 9/15/2024 at 8:41 AM, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said:

Generically, I get the "walking the purchaser out," thing, but only to an extent.   At Cabela's, especially in a case like yours where you are open carrying, it does seem kinda silly.

But what does Walmart do?   I've never actually bought a gun there.   I know when I worked at K-Mart in the 80s (I miss that place!) that when I sold someone a gun, I did walk them to the exit and hand them the box on their way out, so that's why I "get" it, but beyond that, I am curious as to what Walmart does.

 

Way back when the Walmarts in my area carried guns... (they haven't in decades).  I bought a Marlin .22 semi.  They did the "walk me to the exit and hand me the box" thing also.  No problem.   

[Rye Miles #13621]

My mom worked part time at a discount store in the late 60’s through the 80’s. It was called Value City kinda like a Walmart. She worked in Toys and Sporting goods. They had shotguns and rifles. My mom would walk the customer to the cashier with the gun. A security guard would then walk the customer out the door with the gun.
 

[John Kloehr]

I was told (I asked) I was being escorted to the door by a uniformed (badged) employee was due to other customers raising an alarm.

 

Since the gun purchase was handled and paid for separately from and not at a standard checkout, escorting cut down on BS reports of shoplifting, gun theft, active shooter, and such.

 

I did quickly learn to buy TP or visit any other stores in the same parking area before getting an arm; I will not walk away from a vehicle after placing an arm in it.  Hey, same for a backpack or such. Never be seen storing anything which might be considered valuables and walking away.

 

And waiting periods are BS IMO, certainly for a second arm. Debatable for a 1st since most any event involves some degree of planning.

Edited September 16 by John Kloehr

[Phantom, SASS #54973]

3 hours ago, Eyesa Horg said:

Huh! The last seven I've bought weren't locked to leave the LGS. 3 came with locks ( in the box)  as they were new, but not the 4 used ones.

Used handguns must leave the FFL premises with a lock. To do otherwise if a violation...also must include the Youth Handgun Safety Act notice.

 

I provide for free...some dealers will charge for the locks.

 

Phantom

[Phantom, SASS #54973]

1 hour ago, El Sobrante Kid said:

Don't forget that all these seemingly silly store policies are conceived of and implemented by the VP's etc., and lawyers at the company headquarters. It is not the local employees that come up with this stuff... they just want to keep their jobs.

Or implemented because of threat of liability...I know if feels better to simply blame the big bad executives/lawyers...headquarters...

 

Phantom

[Cypress Sun]

 

Twenty years, I bought a single barrel, 12 ga shotgun at a Walmart to use for a side match that we used to have. I told them that I'd do some shopping while the 4473 was approved.

Came back with the additional items, the sale had been approved. Since they had AA's in stock, I wanted to buy a case at the same time. They wouldn't sell ammo that matched the caliber of the firearm, company policy they said.

They did ring up the additional items there at the sporting goods counter, manager walked me to the door as was company policy.

 

 

Florida also has a 3 day waiting period or until the 4473 is approved whichever is LATER. This doesn't apply if you have a valid CWP. The 4473 still has to be approved, but no wait after approval.

When permitless carry was approved and instituted, some folks didn't renew their CWP...guess what...oops, you'll have to wait the 3 days AND are not reciprocal with some other states due to dropping the CWP. I didn't drop mine and have no intentions of dropping it for those two reasons.

[Eyesa Horg]

54 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

Used handguns must leave the FFL premises with a lock. To do otherwise if a violation...also must include the Youth Handgun Safety Act notice.

 

I provide for free...some dealers will charge for the locks.

 

Phantom

The 3 new ones had factory locks included, but not installed. The other 4 were just paper work to transfer. Maybe that made a difference. The shop was not the seller.

[Phantom, SASS #54973]

41 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said:

The 3 new ones had factory locks included, but not installed. The other 4 were just paper work to transfer. Maybe that made a difference. The shop was not the seller.

The FFL that disposes the handgun to the buyer is responsible for the lock. The lock does not need to be installed on the handgun.

 

This, along with the YHSA notice is their (the FFL doing the "transfer"), responsibility. 

 

Phantom

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

Interestingly enough, Massachusetts has a waiting period.   Unless you have a pistol permit.  Then the waiting period is waved as you have already had a background check by the state.   Or at least, it used to be that way.   The laws here keep modifying and they are hard to keep track of.

Is USED to be...

FID, Firearms Identification allowed you to own, buy and transport rifles and shotguns.
LTC, License to Carry Firearms allowed you to do everything an FID did, plus own, buy, transport, and carry pistols on your person.   You pretty much HAVE to carry concealed in this state, as open carrying could be considered, "brandishing a weapon."

That's more or less still it.  For a while the modified the LTC to Class A and Class B.   Class B was for not large capacity firearms,.   Class A was for Large Capacity, and would be required to buy long guns that were large capacity.   Eventually, Class B was done away with and everyone got Class A.   Now it's back to just an LTC with no mention of class.   (And the FID)   There was also a "reason for issuance."   This could be something like "target and hunting" or "All Lawful Purposes."   That was changed recently to "Restrictions" which is usually NONE or whatever is listed.   Basically, NONE has become the default based on recent Supreme Court rulings, and the state is afraid that if they tried to enforce various restrictions that they entire law would get thrown out, so they give no one a reason to argue.   But, it is STILL up to the discretion of the local CLEO if you get one or not.   And there are other problems here.   

It's confusing...   And everything is subject to change.   My summation may be out of date.    I just know that my permit says NONE for restrictions.

 

 

Edited September 16 by H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619

[Dapper Dave]

I am so glad I live in Free AZ. None of that nonsense, and the trigger locks are usually found inside the box, not attached to a thing. The last gun I bought, my Uberti 1873 Birds Head, I filled out the electronic form, with my CCW, picked up the box with the revolver in it, and walked out. The FFL I used to deal with was the same way - but the distance from the gun counter to the door was about 15 feet, so escorting me out would have been ridiculous. That was also the last place I did the background check before I renewed my CCW, and that took about 15 minutes. 

Of course, this election could change everything down here as well - if the Dems take it, well, they are already talking about the changes they want to do to my fine state.  

[Matthew Duncan]

On 9/15/2024 at 7:36 AM, Kid Rich said:

…I purchase a gun in Cabelas and they have to escort me to the door with it. …

I bought an evil rifle on the way home from our daughter’s wedding.  The look of horror on the Cabela’s clerk when I asked if an out of stater could buy a rifle.  He called the 6 foot 6 inch shiny bald headed manager over to find out.  Manager gave me the look over and finally nodded yes.  After the sale I was told they preferred I leave the store with the rifle.  When I told them I still had some shopping to do they repeated that they prefer I leave the store. I told them I really didn’t want to leave a firearm unattended in my car, they prefer I leave the store.  So I took a snake like path on the way out with the manager playing peek a boo with me every time I looked up.