Tall John Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 (edited) Anybody successfully and dependably using Aguila SPP’s in lite 38/357 cowboy loads without FTF’s? In your race guns with lightened hammer springs? Mine are finnicky with CCI’s so I’ve been sticking with Federals but this is a good buy! Midsouth has them for $319 delivered! (Free shipping & free hazmat). Makes them about $65 /thousand with tax https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/003502h151001c/aguila-nopoint-1-half-small-pistol-primers-5000-count-case?trk_msg=CIL4VPLISGH4TEKJI7U3CE3KDK&trk_contact=GEEL7T85K8ABEK06UDB3A3I1BG&trk_sid=O16AUAT60V2U1IN7KNQGA5B44C&trk_link=465IC2RCSMK49A2PPTAUNJHV9O&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=turn+on+images+to+shop+aguila+primer+case&utm_campaign=FREE+Hazmat+%26+Shipping+On+This+Case+of+Primers! Edited August 26 by Tall John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copenhagen Kid Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 In my opinion if you go with any primer other than federal you will have to run stiffer springs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Creek,5759 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 (edited) With the climate on Primers the last couple of years. I would rather have a stiffer spring and know the firearm was going to go bang. I know people using Aguilla primers with no problems. Don't know what kind of springs are in their firearms. Edited August 26 by Bailey Creek,5759 spelling. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 One way to find out for sure. Springs are Cheap. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 14 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: One way to find out for sure. Springs are Cheap. Especially if you are using Rugers. Coil springs are easy to shim. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 23 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: Especially if you are using Rugers. Coil springs are easy to shim. #10 AN washers are your friend 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 38 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: #10 AN washers are your friend Where do you find these AN washers in small quantity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 ACE. Do not worry about the "AN". Just go to ACE and find washers that fit over the strut and the OD is not wider than the gripframe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Creek,5759 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 Ace Hardware. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 2 hours ago, Eyesa Horg said: Where do you find these AN washers in small quantity? Local Ace Hardware. Any good bolt house. They come in different thickness too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrub Oak Willie 53737 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 were did you see free hazmat ? Willie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) 3 hours ago, Scrub Oak Willie 53737 said: were did you see free hazmat ? Willie https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/?trk_msg=CIL4VPLISGH4TEKJI7U3CE3KDK&trk_contact=01LFFSEONS1KUKS3QO0NT17EB4&trk_sid=PUBEGHMGSLM4TL0BSLU4JFLUSC&trk_link=T6KKUNLJPSN4T2QP6TGKCNT37O&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Midsouth+Shooters+Logo+and+Banner&utm_campaign=FREE+Hazmat+%26+Shipping+On+This+Case+of+Primers! When you open the link hit the right arrow beside the top picture, it will scroll to the ad. Randy Edited August 27 by Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lead Monger Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 You can buy coil springs for Rutgers in one pound increments. Why in the world would you put shims washers in there? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 12 minutes ago, Lead Monger said: You can buy coil springs for Rutgers in one pound increments. Why in the world would you put shims washers in there? You are in Alaska. If you were going to a match tomorrow and needed a new spring would it arrive by tomorrow? How much would the spring and shipping cost? Washers are available pretty much everywhere and cheap. I know lots of people that shoot Federals. If they can't get any they use washers to beef up the spring rate a bit until they can get some more Federals. Main reason - convenience. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall John Posted August 28 Author Share Posted August 28 (edited) 6 hours ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: You are in Alaska. If you were going to a match tomorrow and needed a new spring would it arrive by tomorrow? How much would the spring and shipping cost? Washers are available pretty much everywhere and cheap. I know lots of people that shoot Federals. If they can't get any they use washers to beef up the spring rate a bit until they can get some more Federals. Main reason - convenience. Ive got a set of NMV Bisleys that the previous owner used fishing snaps in his springs! Lots of those in Alaska! Edited August 28 by Tall John 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Monger Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 21 hours ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: You are in Alaska. If you were going to a match tomorrow and needed a new spring would it arrive by tomorrow? How much would the spring and shipping cost? Washers are available pretty much everywhere and cheap. I know lots of people that shoot Federals. If they can't get any they use washers to beef up the spring rate a bit until they can get some more Federals. Main reason - convenience. I would dig through my box of spare parts and pull out a new spring and install it. Am I the only person in the world that keeps spare parts? I avoid Mickey Mouse repairs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 1 hour ago, Lead Monger said: I would dig through my box of spare parts and pull out a new spring and install it. Am I the only person in the world that keeps spare parts? I avoid Mickey Mouse repairs. Skimming a spring isn't a MM repair Many gun spring makers include such shims for fine tuning the spring pre-load tension. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Monger Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 12 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Skimming a spring isn't a MM repair Many gun spring makers include such shims for fine tuning the spring pre-load tension. You know very well that the strength of a coil spring is controlled by the diameter of the wire used to wind the spring. 0.030” wire produces a stronger spring than 0.025” wire. Shimming the spring does not make it stronger. You use as many coils as possible without getting coil bind when compressed. That way each coil does a small amount of work. When you clip a spring short and make the length up with shims each coil has to do more work and will fatigue faster. This is why custom spring makers offer springs for a specific firearm wound from half a dozen different wire diameters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 1 hour ago, Lead Monger said: You know very well that the strength of a coil spring is controlled by the diameter of the wire used to wind the spring. 0.030” wire produces a stronger spring than 0.025” wire. Shimming the spring does not make it stronger. You use as many coils as possible without getting coil bind when compressed. That way each coil does a small amount of work. When you clip a spring short and make the length up with shims each coil has to do more work and will fatigue faster. This is why custom spring makers offer springs for a specific firearm wound from half a dozen different wire diameters. Way more at play than just wire diameter Heat treatment and coil spacing is a big part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Monger Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Alloy and heat treatment are selected to best suit the application. Coil spacing is set by using as many coils as possible without getting coil bind when fully compressed. The wire diameter is used to achieve the strength of the spring. Preload can be used to control the harmonics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 39 minutes ago, Lead Monger said: Alloy and heat treatment are selected to best suit the application. Coil spacing is set by using as many coils as possible without getting coil bind when fully compressed. The wire diameter is used to achieve the strength of the spring. Preload can be used to control the harmonics. Oy.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Remember, if it works in practice, theoretical is meaningless. Phantom 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Monger Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 I did not insult any of you guys. I only mentioned that you can easily purchase springs in different strengths specifically for various firearms. And yes I do have some limited education in the application of springs. Not that it matters. All you have to do is purchase an assortment pack of pre made coil springs for your 1911 or Ruger single action from Wolff Springs and you will find each strength of spring is a different thickness. The stronger the spring, the thicker the wire. It really is that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cottonmouth Mark Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Sorry I clicked into this thread for a pissing match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 12 minutes ago, Cottonmouth Mark said: Sorry I clicked into this thread for a pissing match. Uhhh...the likelihood that any thread will devolve into a pissing match on the Wire is high...just something ya gotta use to. Phantom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Creek Jack Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Crap, I’m outta popcorn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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