Medal of Freedom vs Congressional Medal Of Honor....

[Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life]

I saw One of the current Presidential candidates say yesterday in a news conference that the Medal of Freedom was better than the Medal of Honor. I almost puked up my lunch. As a disabled veteran, my opinion is a little bias, but nothing comes close to the CMOH as a recognition of ones sacrifices to our country so that we may all enjoy and reap the benefits of freedom. Many have given their lives for it. 

 

There is no comparison. I left the candidates name out of the post, but I am sure we all know who said it!!

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

PLZ post this idiots name.

[Dr. Zook]

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Edited August 17 by Dr. Zook

[Sedalia Dave]

Awarded based on entirely different criteria.  

 

There is no comparison

[El Chapo]

There is no "Congressional" Medal of Honor despite the oft-used shorthand description.

 

The medal is officially called the "Medal of Honor."

 

It's kinda like a 45 Long Colt. 

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

1 hour ago, El Chapo said:

There is no "Congressional" Medal of Honor despite the oft-used shorthand description.

 

The medal is officially called the "Medal of Honor."

 

It's kinda like a 45 Long Colt. 

Thank you.  You beat me to it.  

[Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967]

I'm confused.... video  

 

[Alpo]

I also am confused.

 

The original post made it sound like "the candidate" said that the presidential medal of freedom was a better award than the medal of Honor.

 

What I heard was that it was better to get the medal of freedom, because most people that get the medal of honor are dead. And this woman getting the medal of freedom was still alive. That's better.

 

I know that I would rather get any medal where I was alive to receive it rather than getting a posthumous medal. That just makes sense.

 

And then the members of the party opposing "the candidate" immediately jump out there and say that he is saying terrible awful things about soldiers.

[Ozark Huckleberry]

As with the majority of such hyperventilation, much of the media has to take the remark out of context to generate their faux outrage.

 

So many people are like Charlie Brown and the football -- after YEARS of the left generating controversy by distorting what 'someone' says, they still believe what the talking heads peddle.

[Chicken Rustler, SASS #26680]

I think he was just trying to say something nice about her and it didn't come out right. I don't think there was anything meant by it and people shouldn't take it that way. Seems to me he doesn't have a real good understanding of what the Medal of Honor is or what it means, but that's ok because most people don't. What he said didn't bother me as much as what some other people said trying to defend it.

Much ado about nothing, must be campaign season.

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

Somebody wanted to give MOH to himself but was told that’s not the way it works.

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

There have been a few recipients of the Medal of Freedom that I have wondered WHY?

[Colorado Coffinmaker]

NOT taken out of context.  Take the time to research the direct quote.  As a Disabled Military Veteran, the candidates' actual statement makes me want to puke all over his pretty blue suit.  Very Denigrating and an Insult to Americas Military.

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

1 hour ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said:

There have been a few recipients of the Medal of Freedom that I have wondered WHY?

Aha, I saw WHY,

 

DONOR!

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

Okay, let me get this straight:  we're crucifying one man for a stupidly offensive statement but the present (and a lot of the previous) administrations have made literally hundreds of worse comments, boldly and without challenge made statements proven to be outright bald-faced lies, have released thousands of criminals and foreign agents into our communities, violated The Bill of Rights and much of the rest of The Constitution, refused to hold their own in-house criminals accountable to the law, allowed hostile aliens unfettered admission to our country, spent gazillions of OUR dollars on the rest of the world that are detrimental to our nations and its economy, and the list can go on for hundreds of pages...

 

My GOD! people, get your heads straight or stand up after the next elections and proudly admit YOUR personal  complicity in its success at taking everything we hold dear away from us.    

Edited August 18 by Forty Rod SASS 3935

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

12 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:

My GOD! people, get your heads straight or stand up after the next elections and proudly admit YOUR personal  complicity in its success at taking everything we hold dear away from us.    

Thank you Uncle Forty. We all know how much better we were under Trump's, (yes, I'm putting the name to it) administration than we are a mere four years later. When he was in Office, I felt that I could afford to retire, and did so. Now, my 401-K is to the point that if The Kackler gets into Office, I'm pretty sure that at 70 years old, I'm going to have to go back to work so that I can continue to pay my mortgage.  The Kackler, just yesterday promised to try to make our once proud country into Venezuela with communist style price controls, picking a VP who has shown that he will run when the going gets tough, while PROMISING to take our guns so that we can't object to their reign.  

Meanwhile Trump took a bullet and showed the world what kind of a man he is by standing up and raising a fist in defiance while the blood was still running down the side of his head. I'll stand by a man like that over the alternative any time I can, even if he does make the occasional Faux Paux. 

The Kackler's entire word salad speeches are full of worse than this. We've all seen how much Trump respects the Military, just as we've seen how the Kackler holds them in contempt. 

Trump still has my undying support. The alternative is almost too terrible to contemplate. 

Mods, if this is too much, feel free to do what you must, but I stand by my words.

[Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619]

2 hours ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said:

The Kackler

 

The important thing is to win the election. Name calling won't work. I hope we can come up with a different strategy.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

1 hour ago, Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 said:

 

The important thing is to win the election. Name calling won't work. I hope we can come up with a different strategy.

[Ozark Huckleberry]

To break down some simple things, using what 'someone' ACTUALLY said (directly quoted, thank you):

 

"[The Presidential Medal of Freedom is] the highest award you can get as a civilian. It's the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor but civilian version."

 

IN CONTEXT: 'Someone's' pointing out that the PMF is the highest national civilian award, and the MOH is the highest national military award. Therein lies the equivalency. 

 

"It's actually much better because everyone that gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they're soldiers, they're either in very bad shape because they've been hit so many times by bullets, or they're dead."

 

Simple language -- getting the PMF is better because you don't have to put your life at risk in military combat to earn it.

 

IN CONTEXT: 'Someone's' pretty clearly referring to the difference in circumstances under which the two awards are earned being generally more favorable for the person getting the PMF, NOT that the PMF is qualitatively a 'better' or more prestigious award. If anything, 'someone's' acknowledging the level of sacrifice demanded of most MOH recipients.

 

'Someone' definitely spoke awkwardly, again didn't consider how his words would be twisted, and obviously miscalculated how desperate 'someone else' would be to change the discussion away from stolen valor..

Edited August 18 by Ozark Huckleberry

[Cypress Sun]

9 hours ago, Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 said:

 

The important thing is to win the election. Name calling won't work. I hope we can come up with a different strategy.

 

That's not the only thing he needs to do to win the election. He lost the last election due to alienating many voting Republicans and Conservatives by saying stupid stuff verbally and via 'social media'. If he doesn't quit the name calling and saying things that just plain childish, he WILL lose the election AGAIN. This saying whatever comes to his mind and then struggling to explain what he means later has got to stop NOW.

Stick to the facts...past, present and what his administration will do in the future and he'll win. If he doesn't, he loses, the country loses and it's the end of the United States as a free country. Simple as that.

 

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

He needs to stop showing signs of dementia.

[Colorado Coffinmaker]

A convicted Felon is NOT eligible to serve in our Armed Forces.  A convicted Felon is not eligible for a Security Clearance. Giveing a convicted felon access to the the FootBall is insane.  Anybody notice he has boldly stated should he win, we will never have to vote again because he has fix'd it??   Again declaring himself to become "Donald the First." 

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

1 hour ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:

 Anybody notice he has boldly stated should he win, we will never have to vote again because he has fix'd it??  

Voting will be done by brain probe.

[ORNERY OAF]

9 hours ago, Ozark Huckleberry said:

To break down some simple things, using what 'someone' ACTUALLY said (directly quoted, thank you):

 

"[The Presidential Medal of Freedom is] the highest award you can get as a civilian. It's the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor but civilian version."

 

IN CONTEXT: 'Someone's' pointing out that the PMF is the highest national civilian award, and the MOH is the highest national military award. Therein lies the equivalency. 

 

"It's actually much better because everyone that gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they're soldiers, they're either in very bad shape because they've been hit so many times by bullets, or they're dead."

 

Simple language -- getting the PMF is better because you don't have to put your life at risk in military combat to earn it.

 

IN CONTEXT: 'Someone's' pretty clearly referring to the difference in circumstances under which the two awards are earned being generally more favorable for the person getting the PMF, NOT that the PMF is qualitatively a 'better' or more prestigious award. If anything, 'someone's' acknowledging the level of sacrifice demanded of most MOH recipients.

 

'Someone' definitely spoke awkwardly, again didn't consider how his words would be twisted, and obviously miscalculated how desperate 'someone else' would be to change the discussion away from stolen valor..

You forgot the Medal of Valor my friend. 3 awards for our country,

MOH-Military- IMHO Our Nations Highest Honor

Medal of Valor- First Responders/police/fire/medics,

Public Safety Officer Medal of Valor

Created in 2001 by Congress, the Public Safety Officer Medal of Valor recognizes extraordinary acts of heroism and bravery on the part of our nation's public safety officers.

 

MOF - Civilian choosen by yahoo in charge(or their puppet master)

[Ozark Huckleberry]

4 minutes ago, ORNERY OAF said:

You forgot the Medal of Valor my friend. 3 awards for our country,

MOH-Military- IMHO Our Nations Highest Honor

Medal of Valor- First Responders/police/fire/medics,

Public Safety Officer Medal of Valor

Created in 2001 by Congress, the Public Safety Officer Medal of Valor recognizes extraordinary acts of heroism and bravery on the part of our nation's public safety officers.

 

MOF - Civilian choosen by yahoo in charge(or their puppet master)

Well, first I have to admit -- I didn't forget about it because that's the first I'd heard of a national-level award created specifically for first responders -- I'd always seen recognition at state or local levels. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Dug around a little, and found out it's been around since 2001.

 

But secondly, the remarks and comparisons I was referencing weren't mine. 

 

And I'll wholeheartedly agree with your comment re the PMF -- it might have started out as a noble ideal, but has pretty much devolved into a political statement. But it's still considered the highest civilian honor, even though we are in agreement that the MOV should be higher.

[Ozark Huckleberry]

2 hours ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:

A convicted Felon is NOT eligible to serve in our Armed Forces.  A convicted Felon is not eligible for a Security Clearance. Giveing a convicted felon access to the the FootBall is insane.  Anybody notice he has boldly stated should he win, we will never have to vote again because he has fix'd it??   Again declaring himself to become "Donald the First." 

 

A couple of non-sequitur assertions that were (*ahem*) not researched.

 

Yes, it is possible for felons to join the military

 

Yes, it is possible to get a security clearance with a felony conviction

 

Let me understand what you're saying -- giving a convicted felon (especially considering the nature of the charges) access to the 'Football' is more insane than allowing it to the current 'sharp-as-a-tack-behind-closed-doors' CIC?

 

2 hours ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:

Anybody notice he has boldly stated should he win, we will never have to vote again because he has fix'd it?

 

Back to context -- those remarks were specifically directed at the 'Christian voting bloc,' who are known as a low-turnout group, and he was clearly speaking to encourage them to get out and vote, with the idea that he'd make things so good, socialist candidates would never have a chance in elections again.

 

Sheesh -- you forgot to add the talking point that he said there'd be a bloodbath if he lost (another out-of-context hyperventilation).

 

But I'm glad we can disagree without being disagreeable, aren't you?

Edited August 18 by Ozark Huckleberry

[Texas Jack Black]

 Remember it is not about what hurts your feelings . It is what is best for the country. IMHO

 

Best Wishes

 

Edited August 18 by Texas Jack Black

[Mister Badly]

1 hour ago, Ozark Huckleberry said:

 

A couple of non-sequitur assertions that were (*ahem*) not researched.

 

Yes, it is possible for felons to join the military

 

Yes, it is possible to get a security clearance with a felony conviction

 

Let me understand what you're saying -- giving a convicted felon (especially considering the nature of the charges) access to the 'Football' is more insane than allowing it to the current 'sharp-as-a-tack-behind-closed-doors' CIC?

 

 

Back to context -- those remarks were specifically directed at the 'Christian voting bloc,' who are known as a low-turnout group, and he was clearly speaking to encourage them to get out and vote, with the idea that he'd make things so good, socialist candidates would never have a chance in elections again.

 

Sheesh -- you forgot to add the talking point that he said there'd be a bloodbath if he lost (another out-of-context hyperventilation).

 

But I'm glad we can disagree without being disagreeable, aren't you?

Thanks for adding context and clarifications to the ramblings of a crazy old man. And I ain't talking about Biden. If he loses this time can we run someone else in 2028?

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

10 minutes ago, Mister Badly said:

Thanks for adding context and clarifications to the ramblings of a crazy old man. And I ain't talking about Biden. If he loses this time can we run someone else in 2028?

If he loses this time, (and you'll never convince that he lost last time), we might not HAVE elections next time.

[Ozark Huckleberry]

I believe everyone here loves our country, although our different backgrounds and experiences bring us to different ideas about how best to move forward. 
 

I think if we deal honestly, fairly, and with an open mind toward one another, we can learn, work through disagreements, and all be better for it. 

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

5 hours ago, Mister Badly said:

Thanks for adding context and clarifications to the ramblings of a crazy old man. And I ain't talking about Biden. If he loses this time can we run someone else in 2028?

Do you think we'll have any chance at all if he doesn't win?

 

Look, folks, I don't like Trump.  I don't want to be his friend, play golf with him, have lunch with him, or exchange birthday cards.  But this isn't a personality contest.  I DO want him in the White House doing the things he did before which improved our economy, started to protect out borders, support our military, police, firefighters and everyone else that are hired to defend us in so many ways, to truly "make America great again" to see that it stays that way.  I want him to stand up and if necessary take action to stop the nations, pseudo-religions, fanatics, mega businesses, and internal and external forces which openly or covertly are trying to take away out way of life, our history and cultures, and our overall being.  I want him to crack down hard on ANY public institution or individual who in any way attempts to politicize our public offices from school boards to college professors, to banking and financial interests  and institutions, and multi gazzillionaire pukes and their zombie followers who buy votes, buy politicians, run us into the ground while they actively make more money than some nations are run on.

 

And call them ALL out in public on all the outright lies they have a hand in.  ALL OF THEM!

 

If you don't agree I want you to take a look at the alternatives and tell me honestly how you personally intend to deal with it when it comes. 

Edited August 19 by Forty Rod SASS 3935

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

10 minutes ago, Ozark Huckleberry said:

I believe everyone here loves our country, although our different backgrounds and experiences bring us to different ideas about how best to move forward. 
 

I think if we deal honestly, fairly, and with an open mind toward one another, we can learn, work through disagreements, and all be better for it. 

Maybe!  I really feel, though, that we absolutely must fight fire with fire.  No more Mister Nice Guy or we cannot survive it. 

[Ozark Huckleberry]

15 hours ago, Mister Badly said:

If he loses this time can we run someone else in 2028?

 

It's probably too much to expect to have a choice between candidates who are truly worth voting FOR instead of AGAINST by 2028.

 

But it would be a nice change.

[Texas Jack Black]

15 hours ago, Ozark Huckleberry said:

I believe everyone here loves our country, although our different backgrounds and experiences bring us to different ideas about how best to move forward. 
 

I think if we deal honestly, fairly, and with an open mind toward one another, we can learn, work through disagreements, and all be better for it. 

 This is Politics and has always been that way.

[Texas Jack Black]

On 8/17/2024 at 2:30 PM, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said:

There have been a few recipients of the Medal of Freedom that I have wondered WHY?

 Sort of like why everyone is a HERO