Alpo Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 Watching an early NCIS. The bullet was 120 grain 9 mm. That got me wondering. Generally 9 mm is 115 or 124. 120? Then when Abby is looking at the ballistics on it, it's a cast lead bullet. Round nose lead, two grease grooves. I'm sure that there's people out there loading round nose lead bullets into 9 mm, but this killer was the man's wife and I kind of don't think she was doing reloading. Just wondering if there was any possibility that the bullet they showed would actually be available. So - has anybody heard of factory 9 mm with a lead bullet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 Magtech 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 https://www.bankstowngunshop.com.au/product/ammo-win-9mm-125g-lead-projectile-usa-value-pack-50/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 59 minutes ago, Alpo said: Watching an early NCIS. The bullet was 120 grain 9 mm. That got me wondering. Generally 9 mm is 115 or 124. 120? Then when Abby is looking at the ballistics on it, it's a cast lead bullet. Round nose lead, two grease grooves. Just wondering if there was any possibility that the bullet they showed would actually be available. So - has anybody heard of factory 9 mm with a lead bullet? I wondered the same thing when I saw it. I've never heard of a 120 grain bullet in a 9mm, lead, yes, but not 120 gr. When I was a kid, I knew a guy that loaded a conical lead bullet in 9mm, but not a round nose like Abby was looking at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted August 13 Author Share Posted August 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: When I was a kid, I knew a guy that loaded a conical lead bullet in 9mm Yeah I bought a bunch of 122 grain truncated cone. But between the hard lube (AKA candle wax) and the unique I loaded them with, shooting them with a submachine gun in an indoor range it looked like I was shooting black powder. Smoke everywhere. So I relegated them to 38 special. Surprisingly, they were quite accurate. Edited August 14 by Alpo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 1 hour ago, Alpo said: Yeah I bought a bunch of 122 grain truncated cone. Oh these weren't truncated cone, they looked like an ice cream cone. Maybe they were a 1970s attempt to help feeding problems in old WWII guns. Looking very much like these, which surprisingly ARE 120 gr. Lyman Bullet Mold 9mm/.38 120gr. But these still don't look like the bullets Abby was looking at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 https://choiceammunition.com/product/9mm-124-grain-black-hi-tek-coated-lead-rn100-hand-loaded/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 2 hours ago, Buckshot Bear said: https://www.bankstowngunshop.com.au/product/ammo-win-9mm-125g-lead-projectile-usa-value-pack-50/ I didn’t know Winchester made these. I don’t think I have ever seen factory made 9mm with lead bullets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 16 minutes ago, Pat Riot said: I didn’t know Winchester made these. I don’t think I have ever seen factory made 9mm with lead bullets. Hugely popular down here for IPSC shooters who don't reload. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 I’ve never seen them, never seen.45 acp in lead either🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cayuse Jack, SASS #19407 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Not exactly what your referring to… Federal makes Syntec ammo in quite a few calibers. It’s loaded with coated lead projectiles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted August 14 Author Share Posted August 14 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: I’ve never seen them, never seen.45 acp in lead either🙄 While I have loaded several different weights and styles of lead bullets in 45, I have never seen factory lead 45 acps. Even the 200 grain semi-wadcutter target loads in 45 are jacketed. I don't think I have seen any factory ammo for automatic pistols - 45, 9, 380, 40, Mak, Tok, 32 - that wasn't jacketed. Which is what brought about my question in the first place. Edited August 14 by Alpo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 41 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: I’ve never seen them, never seen.45 acp in lead either🙄 HSM and Ultramax both make 45 ACP LRN ammo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 43 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: I’ve never seen them, never seen.45 acp in lead either🙄 https://www.rebelgunworks.com.au/collections/centrefire-ammo/products/magtech-45-auto-200gr-lead-semi-wadcutter-50pk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 HSM makes ammo loaded with unjacketed lead bullets in 9mm, 45ACP, 40S&W, and 32ACP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 36 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said: HSM and Ultramax both make 45 ACP LRN ammo. 36 minutes ago, Buckshot Bear said: https://www.rebelgunworks.com.au/collections/centrefire-ammo/products/magtech-45-auto-200gr-lead-semi-wadcutter-50pk I don't buy ammo online so what I meant was the gunshops around here that I frequent never carry them but thanks for the info. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Took a look at ammoseek. 120 gr is not even an option for 9mm. 119 is, those seem to all ge fmj tracer rounds (choice of red or green). Looking at 120 gr bullets, they seem to be for rifle. Did find a bullet mold which can cast 120 gr. I suspect the writers just pulled numbers for the story line, maybe the original script called for a rifle, but props only had the 9mm lead bullet and related items for the episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted August 14 Author Share Posted August 14 (edited) 1 hour ago, John Kloehr said: maybe the original script called for a rifle, but props only had the 9mm lead bullet and related items for the episode. I figure it was more likely that the script writer did not have a clue. They had an episode where the exactEXEC on a ship had been murdered. There was no murder weapon but there was an empty shell case. It was a 25 mm Tokarov. Damn. Must have been hard smuggling a pistol that fired a 1 inch round on board ship. Of course it was a 7x25 mm Tokarov, but the script writer screwed the pooch. Another episode and the murder weapon was a Smith & Wesson 32 kit. First, this was undoubtedly another screenwriter oops, and he was thinking of a 22/32 kit gun, and left the first part of it off. Then the actual gun used was a k frame Smith and Wesson. It possibly was a 32 Winchester - it looked right - but the bullet was the wrong size. The bullet they used for their ballistics was a standard 88 grain round nose 32 long. After the Navy Yard was blown up, they discovered that Madge (Midge?) been murdered, and the death bullet had mold on it. The bullet had to be at least 75 years old, so the murder weapon also had to be 75 years old. What? And there were only three possibilities of a firearm that could fire a 32 ACP - a Colt Model M, a Mauser HsC, or a Webley. That's it. It had to be one of those three guns to fire that 75-year-old 32 caliber bullet. The point of all this - NCIS screws up the gun facts all the time. Edited August 14 by Alpo otto 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 38 minutes ago, Alpo said: The point of all this - NCIS screws up the gun facts all the time. Hollywierd screws up gun facts all the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Choice ammo makes 45 ACP lead loaded as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 at he speed they move id think you would lead your barrel quickly , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 It's common that a recovered bullet may not weigh the same as the original bullet when fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted August 15 Author Share Posted August 15 That's why I wasn't very bothered by the 120 grains. It was the cast lead with grease grooves that really caught my eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 12 hours ago, watab kid said: at he speed they move id think you would lead your barrel quickly , Not necessarily. I've shot reloaded 122gr FP coated lead bullets, sized at .356 thru various semi-autos with no discernable leading. They just need to effectively cycle the action of the firearm. Not talking about wimp rounds, but no barn burners either. Gotta admit, they were REAL accurate at 25yds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOLFY Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 glock counter indicates lead projectiles in their polygonally rifled bbls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 3 hours ago, Cypress Sun said: Not necessarily. I've shot reloaded 122gr FP coated lead bullets, sized at .356 thru various semi-autos with no discernable leading. They just need to effectively cycle the action of the firearm. Not talking about wimp rounds, but no barn burners either. Gotta admit, they were REAL accurate at 25yds. i was assuming factory loads at 9mm standard loading - not reloads , but i see your point , 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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