Oath 12 gauge round

[Rye Miles #13621]

 

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

https://www.oathammo.com/shotgun
 

says out of stock

 

says five projectiles for 25

 

has brass, aluminum and nylon shells.

[Cypress Sun]

 

It could be $100 a round but...if it isn't 100% reliable, as this video shows, then it isn't worth a nickel to me. I'll pass.

[Eyesa Horg]

Damned expensive squibs. 

[Pat Riot]

 

I was hoping he would test a standard run of the mill slug round. 
Imagine spending $50 on 5 shells and poof…

 

[Cypress Sun]

23 hours ago, Pat Riot said:

 

I was hoping he would test a standard run of the mill slug round. 
Imagine spending $50 on 5 shells and poof…

 

 

Imagine spending $50 on 5 shells and poof...when you needed it for self defense and not only is it a squib, but it blocks the barrel so that the next rounds are useless even if they did work. That's what happened with the first round he (tried to) fire, nothing left the barrel.

[Pat Riot]

1 hour ago, Cypress Sun said:

 

Imagine spending $50 on 5 shells and poof...when you needed it for self defense and not only is it a squib, but it blocks the barrel so that the next rounds are useless even if they did work. That's what happened with the first round he (tried to) fire, nothing left the barrel.

I always test ammo before relying on it. Most logical people do, but I have seen or encountered people - my nephew - who are either not savvy enough or just plain cheap who won’t test expensive ammo due to cost. 
 

Years ago, late 90’s, a buddy of mine bought these specialty shotgun shells that were $3-$4 each. They came in packs of 5. One pack was 5 “Breaching” rounds. He was taking some kind of advanced security training. The breaching rounds were all duds. 
 

My nephew carries a 9mm. He loads it with some weird looking really expensive ammo that I can’t remember the name of. He had never tested it, yet carried this ammo daily. 
I convinced him to try it. It turns out the safest place to be if my nephew shot at you would be 10-15 yards away directly in front of him. 

[Blackwater 53393]

Pat!  That sad emoji isn’t directed at you!!  It’s just sad that there are people like that who don’t go out and find the training and don’t work to become at least mildly proficient with the form of defense that they choose! They assume that if it’s sold with a claim to some performance that it will do what they claim it will do!

 

My father and I taught my son the basic manual of arms and how to familiarize himself with an unfamiliar weapon.

 

My dad taught me and my siblings!

 

My son and I have passed that knowledge along to both of my grandsons, (I don’t have any granddaughters or they too would receive the same instruction) and they are both proficient in firearms and firearm safety.

 

They all know to test thoroughly and verify any new addition to their equipment and they spend time on the range.

[John Kloehr]

43 minutes ago, Pat Riot said:

I always test ammo before relying on it. Most logical people do, but I have seen or encountered people - my nephew - who are either not savvy enough or just plain cheap who won’t test expensive ammo due to cost. 

My favorite SD ammo is Hornady Critical Defense (or Duty depending on caliber and gun). But it does not feed reliably in my mid-frame Springfield 9mm 1911. Neither did any of over dozen other SD rounds. Well over $200 finding out what does not work.

 

Blazer brass FMJ runs flawlessly. Well over $300 of it through the barrel so far. I shoot the gun well, so figure FMJ will hurt plenty enough if needed. I'll take a lesser cartridge that works over a better one that does not.

 

Just bought another case of Blazer, going to go through the formal process of earning my NRA marksmanship patch and rockers with this carry gun.

 

Not sure if I even want to test the Oath 12, Common 3" shells with 1 ounce slugs run fine out of my "cheap" Maverick 88 "bear" gun. Bruised my shoulder a bit in testing, should have bought a heavier gun. But would take the bruise if I was up against a bear. Bought this one for my mountain cabin.

 

For me, the Oath 12 is a solution to a problem I don't have.

[Charlie Harley, #14153]

Interesting concept, but WAY not ready for prime time. 

[Pat Riot]

47 minutes ago, John Kloehr said:

My favorite SD ammo is Hornady Critical Defense (or Duty depending on caliber and gun). But it does not feed reliably in my mid-frame Springfield 9mm 1911. Neither did any of over dozen other SD rounds. Well over $200 finding out what does not work.

I have definitely done this. I actually do this with all my guns, but after learning a huge lesson with a piece of garbage Remington R51 I start with what I know should work then work out from there if the gun isn’t accurate with certain loads. But! I dump a gun if it has issues of inaccuracy or it malfunctions with ammo that works in my other guns. 
 

A few years back I literally spent $400 on .38 Special self defense ammo. I bought that Underwood garbage and a slew of other high priced inaccurate Chic boutique bull **** ammo only to find that Hornady Critical Defense and Federal HST variants all kick butt on the $1-$2 a round “Tacticool” idiot boy with no sense and more money ammo. 

If folks like that sort of thing, more power to them. I do not. 

[Rye Miles #13621]

I think I'll stick to good old 00 Buckshot

[Cypress Sun]

 

I always extensively test both guns and ammo, especially those used for self defense. I was just out today testing a .22 revolver that I bought for my gal to use for SD...what a POS, I wouldn't trust it to use as a hammer let alone an SD firearm. It's back to the buying stage for that.

 

Before anyone poo poo's the choice of .22 for her SD, she won't shoot anything else, I'm not going to push the issue and I don't know of anyone that wants a 1/4" hole in them. Maybe in the future, she'll decide to 'graduate' to a larger caliber but that's what she wants...for now.

[Rye Miles #13621]

27 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said:

 

I always extensively test both guns and ammo, especially those used for self defense. I was just out today testing a .22 revolver that I bought for my gal to use for SD...what a POS, I wouldn't trust it to use as a hammer let alone an SD firearm. It's back to the buying stage for that.

 

Before anyone poo poo's the choice of .22 for her SD, she won't shoot anything else, I'm not going to push the issue and I don't know of anyone that wants a 1/4" hole in them. Maybe in the future, she'll decide to 'graduate' to a larger caliber but that's what she wants...for now.

I helped my ex get a gun. She also could only handle a .22. She wound up with a Ruger LCR in.22 I think it has 8 or 9 shots. She shoots it well. I'd recommend that .22 to anyone.

 

[John Kloehr]

I would not sneeze at a .22. Aim (shot placement) matters far more than caliber.

 

Sure, with a bear, 12 GA slug from a 3" shell might matter. They have that big chunky breast plate. For 2-legged vermin, .22 really can get the job done.

 

I do switch between 9mm and .45 ACP, both SD 1911s I shoot well. Caliber is not driving the choice, it is the amount of concealment I might need that day. 

[Eyesa Horg]

Years ago I bought Ellie a Beretta 21a 25acp for her pocket book. The first time out to the range and about 200 rounds thru it,the firing pin flew out of the gun! On inspection it seems as though the notch in the firing pin cut right thru the roll pin that held it in. We were lucky and due to being indoors found the firing pin on the floor behind her! A quick fix. But what was frustrating,was when I called Beretta they just offered me a new roll pin for $1.50!! They couldn't have cared less that a brand new gun had failed in the manor. What if that had been the last shot before an SD need had arisen? It now resides in one of our curio cabinets as it has elephant buttons inletted in the grips!

Glad we shot it some before relying on it. It got replaced with a light weight S&W hammerless revolver in 38+P. 

 

[Charlie Harley, #14153]

1 hour ago, Eyesa Horg said:

a light weight S&W hammerless revolver in 38+P. 

There’s a reason the J-frame is still so popular. 

[Eyesa Horg]

10 minutes ago, Charlie Harley, #14153 said:

There’s a reason the J-frame is still so popular. 

Ya don't want to shoot it a lot with +P ammo though! Even with the rubber type grip,it hammers your hand. I do like the hammerless feature though for a pocketbook 

[Pat Riot]

2 hours ago, Cypress Sun said:

 

I always extensively test both guns and ammo, especially those used for self defense. I was just out today testing a .22 revolver that I bought for my gal to use for SD...what a POS, I wouldn't trust it to use as a hammer let alone an SD firearm. It's back to the buying stage for that.

 

Before anyone poo poo's the choice of .22 for her SD, she won't shoot anything else, I'm not going to push the issue and I don't know of anyone that wants a 1/4" hole in them. Maybe in the future, she'll decide to 'graduate' to a larger caliber but that's what she wants...for now.

A .22 is just fine if that’s what she’s comfortable with, in my book. I often carry a .22 revolver out and about fishing or in the woods. 
 

What .22 were you shooting that was problematic?

I am considering a Kel Tec P17.

I shot one recently and liked it. 

[Pat Riot]

17 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said:

Ya don't want to shoot it a lot with +P ammo though! Even with the rubber type grip,it hammers your hand. I do like the hammerless feature though for a pocketbook 

What kind of pocketbook do you carry? 

Ain’t Otto wonderful? 
 

I agree regarding +P. Too much pop & flash and hard to get quick follow ups. With standard velocity loads I can put 5 in the boiler room of a silhouette target in 2 seconds from draw to final shot with my S&W 442. 
I cannot do that with +P ammo and my wrist kills me afterwards. 

[Eyesa Horg]

39 minutes ago, Pat Riot said:

What kind of pocketbook do you carry? 

Ain’t Otto wonderful? 
 

I agree regarding +P. Too much pop & flash and hard to get quick follow ups. With standard velocity loads I can put 5 in the boiler room of a silhouette target in 2 seconds from draw to final shot with my S&W 442. 
I cannot do that with +P ammo and my wrist kills me afterwards. 

 I actually meant pocketbook! Ellie's pocketbook/ purse. Her's is a 642 IIRC . I'd need some practice to put 5 on target!!

[Cypress Sun]

2 hours ago, Pat Riot said:

A .22 is just fine if that’s what she’s comfortable with, in my book. I often carry a .22 revolver out and about fishing or in the woods. 
 

What .22 were you shooting that was problematic?

I am considering a Kel Tec P17.

I shot one recently and liked it. 

 

I'll send you a PM.

[Sedalia Dave]

6 hours ago, John Kloehr said:

My favorite SD ammo is Hornady Critical Defense (or Duty depending on caliber and gun). But it does not feed reliably in my mid-frame Springfield 9mm 1911. Neither did any of over dozen other SD rounds. Well over $200 finding out what does not work.

 

Blazer brass FMJ runs flawlessly. Well over $300 of it through the barrel so far. I shoot the gun well, so figure FMJ will hurt plenty enough if needed. I'll take a lesser cartridge that works over a better one that does not.

 

Just bought another case of Blazer, going to go through the formal process of earning my NRA marksmanship patch and rockers with this carry gun.

 

Not sure if I even want to test the Oath 12, Common 3" shells with 1 ounce slugs run fine out of my "cheap" Maverick 88 "bear" gun. Bruised my shoulder a bit in testing, should have bought a heavier gun. But would take the bruise if I was up against a bear. Bought this one for my mountain cabin.

 

For me, the Oath 12 is a solution to a problem I don't have.

 

Find a competent smith and have the feed ramp on your 1911 adjusted. It will then feed those hollow points just fine.  My 1911 was set up for WB by the shooter I bought it from. ( He is a personal friend and does know what he is doing)  Feeds everything I load into the magazine flawlessly.

 

You may also need to change your magazine / magazine follower. All my 1911 magazines are either Tripp or have Tripp followers installed. The followers is shaped differently than most factory followers and the change improves feeding.

 

 

[DeaconKC]

@Eyesa Horg my old 642 liked the Winchester 110 grain Silvertips in the white box. Very well mannered and accurate.