This will be a serious threat to CAS

[Sedalia Dave]

 

Hunters’ bullets are poisoning bald eagles

[Dubious Don #56333]

Ah. I see they're rerunning their old stuff in hopes that it will stick this time. How nice.

[Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967]

On 8/10/2024 at 10:51 AM, Sedalia Dave said:

 

Hunters’ bullets are poisoning bald eagles

 

Seems to have originated in california... or at least thrived here, with lead ammunition being banned statewide, initially to protect condors.  The ban was emplaced incrementally over a period of several years.  

 

About eleven years ago, I read a local on-line news article about how condor deaths were elevated and that hunters were to blame.  I submitted this response:

 

 

 

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"As usual, the blame is assigned to hunters.

 

"However, lead ammunition has been banned in the "Condor areas" for over five years, and for several years prior to that there were other effective policies in place to mitigate levels of hunter-introduced lead.  Accordingly, ammunition-caused toxicity should be decreasing.   

 

"Unfortunately, it's easy to focus the attention on hunters while ignoring other, more prevalent sources of lead: industrial compounds.

 

"Industrial lead compounds, which are quite soluble in digestive tracts, are found in paint, gasoline, pesticides, and "micro-trash."

"These lead compound sources are very common in the environment, and are likely responsible for many of the highly publicized lead poisonings attributed to lead ammunition.

 

"Oh - and let's not forget the lead mining operations in the state!"

Regarding the last, there are MANY lead mining sites in California, most in the condor regions and with at least ten in Los Angeles County alone: http://www.us-mining.com/california/lead-mines

 

 

 

Several minutes later I received this response:  "Your post contains offensive content and will not be posted. You may edit the content and re-post."

 

So much for "free speech" and open minds.  

 

 

Edited August 11 by PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L
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[Pat Riot]

Yeah, Bull Shtuff!

 

Junk Leftist Science with little or no proof. 

[Warden Callaway]

We're overrun with bald eagles. They've increased to point they are more often seen than a rabbit.  My sister makes a hobby of taking pictures of them. She has nests spotted and check up on them often. 

[Rip Snorter]

Many here in Montana as well - I have lots of photos.  

[Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967]

In reference to my above post, here's a map indicating the known lead-mining sites in california.

 

Note that the largest concentration just happens to fall within the so-called "Condor Range."  Go figger!  

 

http://www.us-mining.com/california/lead-mines

 

               

[Pat Riot]

21 minutes ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said:

In reference to my above post, here's a map indicating the known lead-mining sites in california.

 

Note that the largest concentration just happens to fall within the so-called "Condor Range."  Go figger!  

 

http://www.us-mining.com/california/lead-mines

 

               

As many times as I have hiked in and camped in “condor territory” I have never seen one. 
Since condors are vultures perhaps they couldn’t survive off the dead game that was available. Perhaps the condor lovers could sacrifice themselves to nourish their beloved creatures?

Probably not. Pretty sure the condors wouldn’t eat them anyway. 

[watab kid]

just looking for a poster child - last time there was a real threat they Said it was DDT . we were using it for mosquitoes , after that there was a rise in incefelitus if i remember correctly 

[watab kid]

Just now, watab kid said:

just looking for a poster child - last time there was a real threat they Said it was DDT . we were using it for mosquitoes , after that there was a rise in incefelitus if i remember correctly 

came back to add we have an abundance of bald eagles here , you want some ? they are thick here , they eat dead things and do little harm - they are quieter than the damn crows , but the build big nests in places we dont want them , 

[Warden Callaway]

 

[Three Foot Johnson]

22 hours ago, Pat Riot said:

As many times as I have hiked in and camped in “condor territory” I have never seen one. 

I knew there weren't many in the wild, so I checked Google and it says 345, spread out across California, the Baja peninsula, Arizona, and Utah. Less than half are in California, so 150 or so...?

 

[John Kloehr]

The ones driving this effort have no clue elemental lead poses no hazard, it is dust, oxides, other lead compounds which pose a hazard.

 

Archeologists find old musket balls still intact after many years, even centuries:

 

 

 

[Rye Miles #13621]

We have an estimated 136 bald eagles nests in Northeast Ohio 

806 estimated in Ohio as of 2020

probably closer to 1000 now! 
https://ohiodnr.gov/discover-and-learn/safety-conservation/about-ODNR/news/wildlife-806-bald-eagle-nests-ohio

Edited August 11 by Rye Miles #13621

[Bailey Creek,5759]

Never saw an Eagle trying to eat a steel target.

[Pat Riot]

4 hours ago, Three Foot Johnson said:

I knew there weren't many in the wild, so I checked Google and it says 345, spread out across California, the Baja peninsula, Arizona, and Utah. Less than half are in California, so 150 or so...?

 

I have talked to many people, hikers, hunters, campers and including DFG officers and forest rangers. None, not one ever saw a California Condor. 

[Warden Callaway]

Depending on sources, in 2003 Missouri had 300 nesting pair of bald eagles. In 2023 they estimated 600 nesting pair.  2000 or more spend the winter here.  And we have a few golden eagles come through.  The other day I think I saw an osprey.  Then we have the garden variety hawks and falcons.  Now we're getting invaded by black vultures.  They are different from our turkey buzzards in that they will attack and kill stuff even cows and horses. They start by picking out their victims eyes then work on them until they are down.

[Barry Sloe]

When are they going to outlaw wind turbines? As I understand it,  wind turbines are killing all kinds of birds, including bald eagles. 

 

BS

[Colorado Coffinmaker]

 

Yes.  There are occasional Bird Strikes by Wind Turbines.  Occasional.  No where near as many as the Tree Huggers would have you believe.  There are more birds killed in Bird Strikes by Airplanes in a single commercial airport in a single year than are killed by ALL the wind turbines in the whole country.

[John Kloehr]

12 hours ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:

 

Yes.  There are occasional Bird Strikes by Wind Turbines.  Occasional.  No where near as many as the Tree Huggers would have you believe.  There are more birds killed in Bird Strikes by Airplanes in a single commercial airport in a single year than are killed by ALL the wind turbines in the whole country.

Buildings with windows kill even more of all kinds.

 

There is some bird which has been attacking the mirror on my and my lady's truck. It attacks the side-view mirrors, has even bloodied itself on the windows and door sides, plus crapping all over the same.

 

I want to shoot it. My lady is also willing to shoot it. But the law will not allow me to shoot it as the bullet will pass over a public roadway. Hell, my neighbor across the street even gives me permission to use his land as a backstop for the bullet!

 

Putting tangle net out next, let the bird hang itself and perish naturally and legally... Only because the law will not permit doing so humanely.

 

Sorry for the griping, we went and washed the bird crap and bird blood off of our trucks today.

Edited August 12 by PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L
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[Texas Joker]

It's territorial and fighting its reflection in your truck mirrors. Put a plastic shopping bag over the door mirrors and it'll stop

[John Kloehr]

7 minutes ago, Texas Joker said:

It's territorial and fighting its reflection in your truck mirrors. Put a plastic shopping bag over the door mirrors and it'll stop

Did that, it switched to side windows. Covered those too, so it went after the windshield. On both trucks.

[Pat Riot]

14 minutes ago, John Kloehr said:

Did that, it switched to side windows. Covered those too, so it went after the windshield. On both trucks.

Go to Amazon and look for “bird scare ribbon” or “silver iridescent ribbon”.

Get some of this and hang it in the area, off your mirrors and antenna. Anywhere the shimmering and fluttering in the breeze will scare off the bird(s). 
This stuff usually works. 

[Yul Lose]

12 hours ago, John Kloehr said:

Buildings with windows kill even more of all kinds.

 

There is some bird which has been attacking the mirror on my and my lady's truck. It attacks the side-view mirrors, has even bloodied itself on the windows and door sides, plus crapping all over the same.

 

I want to shoot it. My lady is also willing to shoot it. But the law will not allow me to shoot it as the bullet will pass over a public roadway. Hell, my neighbor across the street even gives me permission to use his land as a backstop for the bullet!

 

Putting tangle net out next, let the bird hang itself and perish naturally and legally... Only because the law will not permit doing so humanely.

 

Sorry for the griping, we went and washed the bird crap and bird blood off of our trucks today.

This works very well. We use it to deter birds from our fruit trees and keep them from flying into glass doors and windows. Bird scare tape.

Edited August 12 by Yul Lose

[Yul Lose]

There are a number of nesting pairs of bald eagles in San Diego County now. 

[McCandless]

To address the increasing number of Condor and Eagle deaths caused by wind turbines, the government decided just to issue the wind farms permits to kill the birds.  (of course, large sums of money will change hands).  

https://www.audubon.org/news/government-proposes-first-take-permit-condor-deaths-wind-farm

 

In 2013  - "the idiots in the Obama administration said last week it will allow companies to kill or injure eagles without fear of prosecution for up to three decades."

https://back-doc.blogspot.com/2013/12/save-planet-mince-eagles-drive-people.html

 

 

 

Edited August 12 by McCandless