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Howdy! 
 

for those who reload,

 

how much inventory to you stock up on?

projectiles

primers

brass

propellant 


how may loaded rounds do you have ready to shoot?

enough for 1 match, 10 matches, armageddon? 


I am asking to determine how to setup a training program for new reloaders. 
 

Thanks! 

 

 

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As much as I can afford to buy. 
 

My current stock is

20k+ LPP

30ish pounds of titegroup 

1000s of cases 

try to buy 5000 bullets at a time 

 

1000s of shotshell hulls (most could get away with 100s)

A few thousand shotshell primers 

10+ pounds of Promo 

 

Load up as much as I feel like loading. I try not to stockpile it though. 

 

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Probably useless information as I am by no means the norm, but 

 

Primers I buy in 10K packs to save on hazmat fees, probably have several.

I always pick up brass and it takes a long time to wear out, so many thousands of 38 special and almost as much 357

Projectiles and propellant I make myself.

 

In terms of ready to use ammunition, usually about three times whatever I would use in a day shooting.  I stockpile components, but not live ammo.

 

And neither of the clubs closest to me have written me back yet, so I actually haven't been to a match  I think you need 120 rounds of pistol/rifle ammo and 24 rounds of shotgun - but I don't know for sure.

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20 minutes ago, Moe T Vator said:

how to setup a training program for new reloaders

 

Each reloader probably has a different inventory level that they can justify and enjoy.    Lots of inventory in loaded rounds means lots of time (effort) and lots of money has to be invested. 

 

What makes sense to me is consider your life schedule and home and work duties other than reloading.  Then, make practical choices that fit your life.   I don't see that particular "life skill" balancing act needs to be covered in a reloading training session.     "Teach a man to fish" - but don't lecture him on how often he needs to fish.  He should be able to figure that out himself.

 

When I was working, I wanted to have loaded inventory to shoot at least a couple of months so that if there was a major effort needed at work, or with family or medical situations, that I could continue on with some of my shooting without having to jump on reloading.  Now that I am retired, my inventory levels are determined more by our social/manufacturing/supply chaos (inability to maintain a stable environment in all things).  Since I now have more "spare time.", some of that gets invested in bridging over times of chaos.

 

But, keeping life and shooting sports in balance really makes for a less pressure filled life.  Something most of us need.

 

good luck, GJ

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My stockpile of components fluctuates with the market.  When things are plentiful, I buy and stock up.  When the inevitable panic sets in and prices soar, I sit back and work off my stockpile.  I have 4-5 years stocked up at the moment.  I keep between 1600-2400 rounds of 38 spl loaded and ready to go.  That's 3 ammo cans when all are loaded.  I have 2-3 flats of shotgun shells reloaded and plenty of components to make more.

 

Stock up when things are calm and plentiful so you don't have to pay stupid prices later.

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I keep enough primer and powder for 5 years of shooting and I would NEVER allow it to run below that.  I have enough lead to cast enough bullets to last at least 10 years or more.  Brass I have probably enough to last the rest of my life.

 

I generally load 500-1000 rounds if I set the press up.  Lately it's been until I run out of bullets.  If I am ahead on my reloading projects I could have thousands of rounds of 38 loaded.  As long as I have components, this matters far less. 

 

Components could be sold out for years.  If you want to be able to shoot you have to have 3-5 years of primers and powder at all times, minimum.

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3 minutes ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said:

 

Each reloader probably has a different inventory level that they can justify and enjoy.    Lots of inventory in loaded rounds means lots of time (effort) and lots of money has to be invested. 

 

What makes sense to me is consider your life schedule and home and work duties other than reloading.  Then, make practical choices that fit your life.   I don't see that particular "life skill" balancing act needs to be covered in a reloading training session.     "Teach a man to fish" - but don't lecture him on how often he needs to fish.  He should be able to figure that out himself.

 

When I was working, I wanted to have loaded inventory to shoot at least a couple of months so that if there was a major effort needed at work, or with family or medical situations, that I could continue on with some of my shooting without having to jump on reloading.  Now that I am retired, my inventory levels are determined more by our social/manufacturing/supply chaos (inability to maintain a stable environment in all things).  Since I now have more "spare time.", some of that gets invested in bridging over times of chaos.

 

But, keeping life and shooting sports in balance really makes for a less pressure filled life.  Something most of us need.

 

good luck, GJ

 

Great explanation.   If I could go back in time I'd have reloaded fewer rounds to keep on the shelf.   Now during downtime, I only make a year's worth for my current calibers.

I do not regret stockpiling a lifetime's worth of powder and primers before this decade began.

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For a long time I loaded a number of calibers on a Lee Turret but wasn't at home that much, so sometimes deciding what guns I was going to shoot at the next match depended on what ammo was loaded.  I was doing good if I had several hundred of each loaded.  Then I started doing some of my loading on a Dillon and it allowed me to get stocked up, so currently have around 3K smokeless and 2K BP loaded, and a proportional amount of shotshells.   And I have about 5 years worth of primers and more than that in powder and brass.  Because I intend to keep shooting at this pace and because I can afford it, and because I know things can dry up for a long time, I intend to buy more primers when the Federal SPP magnums drop to less than the regular SPP again, which happens sometimes.  If I end up with a lifetime supply like McCandless, that's fine!

 

Moe, since you want this info for new reloaders, the first question for them would be, how much do they intend to shoot?  Then I would suggest they try to have a minimum of 5 years worth of supplies to shoot at their intended pace, or as much as they can afford, which will vary considerably especially since they need to spend on reloading gear.  If they start shooting more then they should up their requirements.  I certainly didn't have that many supplies when I started but those were different times.  As to how much ready to go ammo to suggest, that is subjective to each individual and their circumstance, what type of press and time available, and whether they do much experimenting.  You really want to have loads you like before loading in quantity.

 

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Got to thinking more about the needs of a beginning reloader. 

 

Several points make it unwise for a beginning reloader to go "hog wild" making lots of loaded ammo over their first year or two, and even in buying a ton of components to stockpile.

 

First - they probably do not and will not have a favorite cowboy load that they will want to make, and that they will stick with.  When starting out, they will be wise to only buy enough to load a few matches of a load, try it out at practice sessions, and shoot that up while making plans for the next load they want to try.    I have learned that stuff I loaded when starting cowboy  (and Wild Bunch) shooting quickly turned out to be quite a bit different than what I settled on after about 3 years of loading and shooting each discipline!    I'm still working off some less desirable ammo (made 10 years ago) in local matches and practice because I loaded too much of that stuff too early.

 

Second - they will buy components based on what they can find rather than what they can actually load.   Look at any shooting forum and you find tons of beginning reloaders asking stuff like "how do I make real light 12 gauge shotshell loads with Herco or even IMR 3031 powder"  or other similar impossibilities or unwise combinations.  Then they don't know how to trade or sell off that to get better components.

 

Third - especially if teaching in an urban or suburban area, be sure to cover the important local regulations on ordering, storing, tranporting, disposing of powders, primers, loaded ammo.  Don't have to beat them up with it, but make sure they understand there SOMETIMES are regulations that can severely affect their lifestyle in the future if things go sideways.

 

Fourth - introduce them to the methods of "unloading" ammunition when they make mistakes (not shooting it and hoping for the best).  Show them a couple of simple ways to disassemble rounds - like a hammer impact puller or a plastic pipe cutter for opening shotshells.  Depriming cases safely when a primer mistake is made.  Etc.

 

good luck, but don't go overboard with some of this for a beginning reloader.. GJ

 

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OK! 
 

So with the wealth of knowledge (thank you all) I should clarify. 
 

I see folks saying stock up for ‘years,’ ok how many rounds a year are you shooting? 
 

do you have. ‘Big match ammo’ vs ‘weekend’ ammo? 
 

are you shooting the same load out of pistols and rifle?

 

do you load different rounds for Knockdown or long range targets?  
 

Thanks again! 

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OK, comments for EXPERIENCED loaders here.  Not the BEGINNERS.

 

Six months of ammo that I expect to shoot is what I try to keep loaded anymore.   I have historically changed guns and loads maybe every 2-4 years, which sometimes means different components were needed.   Cowboy probably 4000 RPY, Wild Bunch same, shotgun (see below) about 10,000 RPY

 

I have had some "traveling match" ammo which I put up in new cases, but as I have had minimal numbers of case failures for the last 10 years,  now I trust most of my monthly ammo even at EOT.    (For the record - I do buy factory ammo for some parts of big Sporting Clays matches, where state or higher rankings and big costs are involved.  There is just better quality shot in some factory loads, useful for those 50+ yard birds ;).)

 

I shoot different ammo in rifles than in revolvers or 1911s.  Tailored to the discipline.  And from realizing I can shoot a rifle at speed with more powerful loads than I can handguns.

 

I do load long range ammo with special purpose loads, tuned for the gun and range to be fired.  Especially when shooting long range military rifles.

 

good luck, GJ

 

 

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1 hour ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said:

Got to thinking more about the needs of a beginning reloader. 

 

Several points make it unwise for a beginning reloader to go "hog wild" making lots of loaded ammo over their first year or two, and even in buying a ton of components to stockpile.

 

First - they probably do not and will not have a favorite cowboy load that they will want to make, and that they will stick with.  When starting out, they will be wise to only buy enough to load a few matches of a load, try it out at practice sessions, and shoot that up while making plans for the next load they want to try.    I have learned that stuff I loaded when starting cowboy  (and Wild Bunch) shooting quickly turned out to be quite a bit different than what I settled on after about 3 years of loading and shooting each discipline!    I'm still working off some less desirable ammo (made 10 years ago) in local matches and practice because I loaded too much of that stuff too early.

 

Second - they will buy components based on what they can find rather than what they can actually load.   Look at any shooting forum and you find tons of beginning reloaders asking stuff like "how do I make real light 12 gauge shotshell loads with Herco or even IMR 3031 powder"  or other similar impossibilities or unwise combinations.  Then they don't know how to trade or sell off that to get better components.

 

Third - especially if teaching in an urban or suburban area, be sure to cover the important local regulations on ordering, storing, tranporting, disposing of powders, primers, loaded ammo.  Don't have to beat them up with it, but make sure they understand there SOMETIMES are regulations that can severely affect their lifestyle in the future if things go sideways.

 

Fourth - introduce them to the methods of "unloading" ammunition when they make mistakes (not shooting it and hoping for the best).  Show them a couple of simple ways to disassemble rounds - like a hammer impact puller or a plastic pipe cutter for opening shotshells.  Depriming cases safely when a primer mistake is made.  Etc.

 

good luck, but don't go overboard with some of this for a beginning reloader.. GJ

 

Great advice!

 

Moe - no disrespect meant but I think you’re asking the wrong questions.  If you tell new shooters that they need to load up on inventory they’re going to run the numbers and find something else to spend their money on.  A new shooter will do just fine with a limited amount of inventory.  They can add more as they go along.  Keep it simple for now and just get them reloading. 

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31 minutes ago, Shawnee Hills said:

Great advice!

 

Moe - no disrespect meant but I think you’re asking the wrong questions.  If you tell new shooters that they need to load up on inventory they’re going to run the numbers and find something else to spend their money on.  A new shooter will do just fine with a limited amount of inventory.  They can add more as they go along.  Keep it simple for now and just get them reloading. 

I agree.  While I normally buy primers or bullets 10,000 at a time, this might be too much for a new shooter to accept.  Don't want to scare them off.  Get them started and they will figure out their inventory needs like the rest of us. 

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Lots of great advice up above.  My advice to a new reloader would be to try a lot of different powder and bullet combinations.  This allows them to get a lot of practice working up new loads and they get to experience the different feels of changing bullet weight and different powders.  As you know different powders can feel very different even though they are loaded to the same power factor with the same bullets.  It's also a skill that I think every reloader needs to be proficient at.  

 

 

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2 hours ago, Moe T Vator said:

OK! 
 

So with the wealth of knowledge (thank you all) I should clarify. 
 

I see folks saying stock up for ‘years,’ ok how many rounds a year are you shooting? 
 

do you have. ‘Big match ammo’ vs ‘weekend’ ammo? 
 

are you shooting the same load out of pistols and rifle?

 

do you load different rounds for Knockdown or long range targets?  
 

Thanks again! 

 

I am probably only shooting a few thousand rounds per year of my cowboy ammo.  I wish it was more but my wife and I have a strange schedule and local matches are all I'm guaranteed.  That is why my suggestion as to stockpile is in terms of years, not in terms of numbers.  If you shoot 500 rounds a year, you need to have 2-5000 primers on the shelf and a jug of powder.  If you shoot more than that you need more.

 

I don't have "big match ammo" or "weekend ammo."  I'd have more on the shelf if I did, but my match time is valuable.  Every round I shoot in a cowboy match has been chamber checked and the primer run through a hand primer because I have revolvers that are picky.  I am not a top level shooter but I don't want to spend my recreation time fighting with my guns.  I want to spend it smoking cigars with my cowboy guys and shooting and earning my own darn penalties.

 

I shoot the same load out of rifles and revolvers, but I currently have some 105 grain bullets made that I may load and shoot in my revolvers just to get rid of them.  They ding the targets just the same but they don't feed as nicely in my rifles.  Everything I have loaded for about the last 3 years has been a 125 grain round flat profile bullet that works in everything.

 

No I do not load different ammo for knockdown or long range targets and I don't think that is needed.  A solid hit on a popper even with 3/4 ounce of #8 driven by 2 drams of black or its smokeless equivalent will knock down any target I've had to deal with.  If you care that much, load some 38s with 3.5-4 grains of CFE Pistol or AA #5 or similar depending on bullet weight, but don't be surprised if the targets don't fall any faster or better.  And if you shoot a 45 colt, a 160 grain bullet at any velocity that will exit the barrel will blast the target with 2-3 times the energy needed for the spotters to score a hit.

 

Don't over think this.  Just make sure you have 8 pounds of powder you like (start at Winchester WST on the burn rate chart and get that or something faster than that, Bullseye, Red Dot, Competition, Clays, you name it) and you'll be fine.  Find a profile bullet that feeds in your rifle and buy a case.  Bullets are usually available even when the world burns because they're expensive to stockpile deep.  Primers and powder you NEED to have an excess of.  Buy no less then 5k at a time.  Brownells and Midsouth are having free hazmat right now, at least have SOME surplus if you can't afford the amount I say to have.

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With the way things are with components the last couple of years my advice to new shooters is to see what you can find and learn to load with stuff that you can get reliably.  One new shooter happened to have a friend that gave him an 8 pound can of 231.  I taught him to load with that and 231 has been available pretty often so it's a load he can continue to find components for.  He bought a thousand primers the first time and between practice and a couple of matches figured out he went through them pretty quick so the next time he bought 2k and just recently waded in to a 5k when the supplier had a free hazmat special.  Same with bullets, he ordered 1k on his first order and 5k on his next.  I have started several new shooters into reloading the last couple of years and it seems like the best advice I give is to be flexible to the components you can find.  Some people get married to a load and act like they just can't change.  I prefer to shoot clays in my rifle/pistol rounds and I have stockpiled a pretty good amount of it.  But I also have a stockpile of other powders that I can load with and do load with for practice rounds to save my Clays for shooting in competition.  Red dot, 700x, 231, competition, promo, clean shot and titegroup all will load cowboy loads in 38 and all but the 231 can be used in light 12 ga also.  In this day of scrounging components you got to shoot/load what you can find and there are lots of options out there that work.  So versatility is my recommendation to new shooters/reloaders.  As far as how much, with the current pricing it's probably as much as they can afford. 

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As others have already stated, stockpile as much as you can afford and store properly.  This is especially true these days when availability is often difficult and/or questionable.  I'm probably pretty conservative in how much I keep on hand, but I don't shoot nearly as much as I use to.  Anyway, I'm sure others, especially very active shooters, stock far more than I do.  I pretty much load .38/.357, .44 special, 44 magnum, 45/70, and even some 9mm and generally keep at least 5000 small, 5000 large pistol primers, 1000 large rifle primers, as well as around 2000 to 3000 shotgun primers on hand.  As for powder, I generally keep at least 5 pounds of rifle/pistol powder (sometimes of varied brands due to availability) and generally use the same propellant for shotgun powder (with Clays or Clay Dot being my preferred shotshell propellant).  I also keep several tins of FFF black powder and a couple jugs of Triple 7 or other black powder substitute on hand.  As for stocking loaded ammo, I'm pretty good at shooting it up if it's ready to go and often find myself loading just to be able to go to the range.  However. it's a good idea to try to keep several hundred rounds of each load on hand if at all possible.  Obviously, this will vary from person to person and for I life long shooter I do think I'm on the conservative end of all this.  Good luck and good shooting to all.

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When I started SASS, money was in short supply. Over time, I was able to buy sufficient cases, primers and equipment. Today, I prefer to have enough cartridges loaded so I don't need to sweat in the garage in the summer. It doesn't take long to load shotshells, so that isn't so bad.

I buy different powders based on availability and already knowing that they will work suitably for my intended load. I have varied on bullets, but try to stay within certain weight and shape parameters based on my experience. The newbie is less likely to know about various powders or bullets. While still learning, it would be prudent to not load a crap ton of rounds without knowing how they will perform with their firearms.

It would be helpful to have a mentor for the reloading portion of this game. I've had some painful lessons because I didn't have one. On the other hand, those lessons are not forgotten and are therefore useful.

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O.K.

 

As participants of CAS for only a little over a year,  having gone through a reloading progression over that period, but, with previous reloading experience, I feel as though my partner and my approach can provide some value.

 

I don't think there is "An" answer to your question.  The answers will be highly individualized depending on where the new reloader is coming from, exp. high volume IPSC/IDPA  shooter, precision or hunting reloader, no previous high volume shooting nor reloading experience, etc.

 

My Thoughts;

1. Don't stock up on any component that may change over the course of your progression.  Projectiles, powder, etc. may change depending on what you learn along the way.  The one exception, "IF" you find a quantity of Federal primers reasonably priced, buy them.

2. We try to keep at least 2 matches worth of ammo in reserve.

3. We started with a brick of 1000.  That was a bit shy for 2 shooters.  We're currently somewhere around 2k brass in circulation and that feels like just enough to achieve the above.

4.Try to keep it simple, 1 round for both rifle and pistol.  In our case, that means tailoring our .38 special loads to feeding in our Marlin '94 CBC.  We've been through a few different projectiles before landing on one that BOTH works AND is hopefully reliably available.

5. If it's their first year shooting, buying by the thousand is probably appropriate, as things may change considerably over the next 12 months.  If its someone whos been shooting CAS for years, is stable in the classification and equipment and already knows what load works for their firearms, then more is better.  Lots of 5k or more, depending on rounds fired per year and financial ability.

6. We've currently got about a years worth of primers and powder, and half year of projectiles (only because they are our latest trial and I didn't want to purchase more than that before ensuring they work).

 

 

 

 

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On 7/31/2024 at 12:53 PM, Moe T Vator said:

OK! 
 

So with the wealth of knowledge (thank you all) I should clarify. 
 

I see folks saying stock up for ‘years,’ ok how many rounds a year are you shooting? 
 

do you have. ‘Big match ammo’ vs ‘weekend’ ammo? 
 

are you shooting the same load out of pistols and rifle?

 

do you load different rounds for Knockdown or long range targets?  
 

Thanks again! 


 

I see folks saying stock up for ‘years,’ ok how many rounds a year are you shooting? 

 

2 shooters, approximately 6k pistol calibers per year, 3k of which are CAS.  The others being IPSC, Steel Challenge and Service Pistol.
 

do you have. ‘Big match ammo’ vs ‘weekend’ ammo? 

No.
 

are you shooting the same load out of pistols and rifle?

Absolutely.

 

do you load different rounds for Knockdown or long range targets?  

Nope.  Mid range powder loads, that seal well, and function across it all.  But, we're age group competitors and not as motivated to "Win" as some.
 

Thanks again! 

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There are too many variables and needs between different shooters.  Garrison Joe shared some good advice,  above. Teach basics of  reloading for our game, and let individuals  figure out how to fit that into their own lifestyle and budget.  

 

There are just two rules of thumb for me:

 

1.  I buy components earlier, rather than later, because prices are not going to drop in our lifetimes and there WILL be pauses in availability.

 

2.  I don't store flammable components or large quantities of loaded ammo in my home or connected shop-garage.  I keep them in a separate outbuilding, to avoid my insurance being voided in case of a fire.   Most insurance carriers disclaim flammable or explosive materials (and they are clueless about smokeless powder differences).  

 

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some of what we are telling you here of our habits might sound extremes but after the covid crap and the obamma election scare and a few other things as well as the prices going thru the roof you must understand we do what we do so we can shoot , there are too many unknowns out there these days - we all look to mitigate them as much as we can afford to , 

 

i have well over 2k loaded in everything i shoot , , i habve that much in components for most of what i shoot , i may never need it or it might outlive me but i know i can shoot next eek if i want to , others might differ but most will tell you similar , if your working with newbys they will soon learn anbout having a backlog , 

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When components were readily available and I was shooting about 15 monthlies .and about 4 majors a year, I would load twice a year always maintaining a 4-6 month loaded reserve.

 

I am tired of the component market being so unpredictable, that I have just loaded most all of everything that I have. Turning 80 next month, I don’t think I will ever run out 
 

 


 

 

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On 7/30/2024 at 4:52 PM, Moe T Vator said:

Howdy! 
 

for those who reload,

 

how much inventory to you stock up on?

projectiles - tens of thousands, and several hundred pounds of lead on hand - two to three thousand pounds.

primers - several tens of thousands

brass - several tens  of thousands

propellant ... yes...


how may loaded rounds do you have ready to shoot?

enough for 1 match, 10 matches, armageddon? - I'll go with "Armageddon". On the flip side, I have a shooting buddy who loads for one match at a time. 


I am asking to determine how to setup a training program for new reloaders. 
 

Thanks! 

 

 

 

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For all the information, thank you! 
 

Follow on question-

how do you process ALL that brass? 
 

For those who shoot tens of thousands of rounds a year how are you getting it ready?

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I shoot maybe 15,000 rounds a year for CAS, and that's not all that much to process. About once a month, I tumble the sorted brass in two vibratory and one rotary tumbler, size and bell it, and stack it on shelves in plastic bins - because of the volume, .38's go in a storage tote on the floor. I've heard of a few high-volume shooters or used brass vendors who use mortar mixers or cement mixers to tumble tens of thousands at a time.

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I try to stay on top of brass prep/cleaning by not letting more than a few thousand build up at a time.  I use a progressive press with case feeder and a decapping die to deprime all my brass before wet tumbling it.  After wet tumbling it gets dryed in a food dehydrator and stored in bins until I need it to reload. 

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On 7/30/2024 at 10:20 PM, Badlands Bob #61228 said:

I agree.  While I normally buy primers or bullets 10,000 at a time, this might be too much for a new shooter to accept.  Don't want to scare them off.  Get them started and they will figure out their inventory needs like the rest of us. 

Bob - can I borrow a few thousand...?

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Although I’ve only been reloading a couple years, I’ve found it useful to keep a spreadsheet with all components on hand and let this spreadsheet calculate an automatic tally of how many matches I can run by type of component.  I.E. the spreadsheet totals all my SPPs and divides by 120 to tell me how many matches I have left to empty.  
 

My real life example benefitting the use of such spreadsheets:  I was hunting more shotgun primers before I set up this spreadsheet. It helped me recognize that with the 24/match SG I had plenty on hand and needed to focus more on buying LPPs or other components to stay balanced. 

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1 hour ago, T-Square said:

Bob - can I borrow a few thousand...?

I don't have any of that nasty black powder stuff you use.  I like to keep my guns shinny cause shinny guns shoot better.

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31 minutes ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said:

I don't have any of that nasty black powder stuff you use.  I like to keep my guns shinny cause shinny guns shoot better.

Understood.  Lucky it was only a stage prop.

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