Question - when can you touch SG loads?

[Tennessee williams]

4 hours ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said:

To address the OP inquiry...

Individual match/stage conventions can specify verbiage that defines such terms as "At the ready".

An example of this would be:

 

End of Trail Shooters! We have an "End of Trail Only" stage convention that is important for you to know regarding shooter "stance". 

Our stage language "At The Ready" means, if no starting position is given the shooter may be in an athletic "ready" posture, with hands not touching guns or ammo. The shooter does not have to start a stage standing upright with hands at their sides unless specifically stated in the stage description. 

Other stance instructions will always apply (hands at low surrender, touching revolvers, Rifle in Hand, etc...). 

This convention applies at End of Trail Only and does not change SASS rules at other SASS sanctioned matches.

We have been using "at shooter’s discretion" instead of "at the ready" but same as eot, cannot be touching guns or ammo. It seems to get the point across. We also defined what "from position...." is. If you're close enough to ground the firearm on that table without moving your feet, you're at that position. It seems to work better than "from behind the table" or "atleast 1 foot behind the table" etc. I hate footfaults.

[Creeker, SASS #43022]

55 minutes ago, Tennessee williams said:

We also defined what "from position...." is. If you're close enough to ground the firearm on that table without moving your feet, you're at that position. It seems to work better than "from behind the table" or "atleast 1 foot behind the table" etc. I hate footfaults.

Eldorado uses an (Imo) even better method for placing shooters where you want them and eliminating foot faults. 

And better levels the field re: the differences in reach and height determining "if" a shooter is at a position.

 

Eldorado uses upright markers that direct the rounds from a given firearm must pass by a specified side of the marker.

 

An example.

 

¤¤ rifle targets

 

         Ω           Ω Ω         Ω Ω       Ω sg targets

               ¤¤ pistol targets

 

.....X.....table.....X............X

Shotgun on table - pistols holstered.

Shooter will begin rifle in hand - standing anywhere left of the left upright marker.

Engage rifle targets with 10 rounds - all rifle rounds MUST pass the left side of the left upright marker

(upright markers designated by the X).

With shotgun - engage TWO shotgun targets - THESE shotgun rounds must pass BETWEEN left upright marker and center upright marker.

With pistols - engage pistol targets with 10 rounds - pistol rounds must pass BETWEEN left upright marker and center upright marker.

With shotgun - engage two more shotgun targets - THESE shotgun rounds must pass the right side of the center upright marker.

Then engage the remaining two shotgun targets - THESE shotgun rounds must pass the right side of the RIGHT upright marker.

 

As "most" shooters, regardless of height will place their body in line with the target - it is a simple matter utilizing the "pass by" direction to guide the shooter to the desired position. 

No foot faults - no penalizing a shorter shooter for proximity to a position.

 

 

[Tennessee williams]

11 minutes ago, Creeker, SASS #43022 said:

Eldorado uses an (Imo) even better method for placing shooters where you want them and eliminating foot faults. 

And better levels the field re: the differences in reach and height determining "if" a shooter is at a position.

 

Eldorado uses upright markers that direct the rounds from a given firearm must pass by a specified side of the marker.

 

An example.

 

¤¤ rifle targets

 

         Ω           Ω Ω         Ω Ω       Ω sg targets

               ¤¤ pistol targets

 

.....X.....table.....X............X

Shotgun on table - pistols holstered.

Shooter will begin rifle in hand - standing anywhere left of the left upright marker.

Engage rifle targets with 10 rounds - all rifle rounds MUST pass the left side of the left upright marker

(upright markers designated by the X).

With shotgun - engage TWO shotgun targets - THESE shotgun rounds must pass BETWEEN left upright marker and center upright marker.

With pistols - engage pistol targets with 10 rounds - pistol rounds must pass BETWEEN left upright marker and center upright marker.

With shotgun - engage two more shotgun targets - THESE shotgun rounds must pass the right side of the center upright marker.

Then engage the remaining two shotgun targets - THESE shotgun rounds must pass the right side of the RIGHT upright marker.

 

As "most" shooters, regardless of height will place their body in line with the target - it is a simple matter utilizing the "pass by" direction to guide the shooter to the desired position. 

No foot faults - no penalizing a shorter shooter for proximity to a position.

 

 

I'll sometimes have a stage where we want the shooter to move just a touch further than "close enough to ground" and will use vertical uprights. One such stage is where 3 positions are close enough together, they could potentially be turned into 2 positions by shooting from between the locations. Close enough to ground seems to work great for us. It's usually a trade off as a 7ft tall shooter can be 1 foot further away from the table but the 5ft tall shooter will get there usually quicker. And 97% of the shooters fire from the center of the shooting position anyway, lol.