Wild Eagle Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Have any of you tried using HP-38/W231 for 12 gage reloads? If so, how did it work? Were you able to replicate the Winchester Low Noise Low Recoil loads? Shotgun powder has been hard to find locally and I have quite a bit of HP-38. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 (edited) This was in response to this same question a while back. "I've emailed Winchester and asked them about using 231 for shotshell. The reply was a straight forward "It is not suitable for shotshell reloading." They didn't elaborate on why just a plain "not suitable." I have enough 231 for about 16,000 .45 s. I now have friends! A bright side to everything." (I was not the emailer to Winchester. This is a copy of a post on a shotgun loading website.) Generally when there is NO loading data for what you are trying to do that is a pretty good indication it won't work. Edited July 25 by Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Eagle Posted July 25 Author Share Posted July 25 18 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: This was in response to this same question a while back. "I've emailed Winchester and asked them about using 231 for shotshell. The reply was a straight forward "It is not suitable for shotshell reloading." They didn't elaborate on why just a plain "not suitable." I have enough 231 for about 16,000 .45 s. I now have friends! A bright side to everything." (I was not the emailer to Winchester. This is a copy of a post on a shotgun loading website.) Generally when there is NO loading data for what you are trying to do that is a pretty good indication it won't work. I kind of figured that would be the case, but I had to ask. I tried to search for it, but didn't have any luck. They just recently published shotgun data for TiteGroup/ HighGun so maybe they'll work something up for HP-38. I can always use it for 9MM, 40, 45ACP loads. I'm not in a bind yet as I still have a fair bit of Red Dot/Promo, and Clays. But these days it pays to think ahead about reloading supplies. I've been using Clean Shot for my practice rounds, but have to load it a little hotter than I'd like to get it to burn clean. Thanks for the quick response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 (edited) Hodgdon's Perfect Pattern shotgun powder is still available. Natchezss.com shows it available in 8-lb jugs. I load 7/8 oz loads with it using published reloading data. It may still be available when you exhaust your other supplies. Update: Alliant Extra-Lite is available in 8-lb jugs from a couple of online merchants. This is my favorite powder for 7/8 oz loads. Edited July 26 by Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Extra-Lite availability 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 why not use a shotgun powder for both you shotgun loads and you revolver cartridges ? its so easy to use red dot/clays/700x etc if its that you have a generous supply of that trade it to someone for the stufff that works in our game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 On 7/25/2024 at 3:55 PM, Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 said: Hodgdon's Perfect Pattern shotgun powder is still available. Natchezss.com shows it available in 8-lb jugs. I load 7/8 oz loads with it using published reloading data. It may still be available when you exhaust your other supplies. I've been using Perfect Pattern for a couple of months now and I'm very pleased with it. I've loaded everything from 1 1/8oz down to 7/8oz. I am currently loading 7/8oz. shot with 9.5 gr. Perfect Pattern, it works great and I think it feels comparable to Winchester LNLR shells. I can load 5,894 shells from an 8lb jug which make it pretty economical. I have found that to get a good crimp I need to drop down a wad size for whatever load I'm using. I use a 3/4oz. wad for a 7/8oz. load, a 7/8oz. wad for a 1oz. load and a 1oz. wad for a 1 1/8oz. load. Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Eagle Posted July 27 Author Share Posted July 27 8 hours ago, watab kid said: why not use a shotgun powder for both you shotgun loads and you revolver cartridges ? its so easy to use red dot/clays/700x etc if its that you have a generous supply of that trade it to someone for the stufff that works in our game Well, I would do that if I could just walk into a local gun store and buy whatever I wanted, but I can't. Haven't seen clays or 700x on the shelf in at least two years, probably three. Red Dot shows up once in a while, but you better be quick to get it. Found a couple of pounds of Clay Dot about two years ago and bought it, but it's long gone. So far I have not resorted to buying from the big box online retailers because I like having local gun shops around. They won't be around if we don't buy from them. I will probably try to trade the HP-38 for some Red Dot, Promo, Clays, 700x or even some Nitro 100. Just thought that someone here may have already worked up a 12 gage load for it. I'm loading all of my practice 12 gage with Clean Shot and could shoot it in matches if I need to, it's just a little dirty at the low pressures we use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 (edited) 11 hours ago, watab kid said: why not use a shotgun powder for both you shotgun loads and you revolver cartridges ? its so easy to use red dot/clays/700x etc I do not know where you are from but Clays has not been available for years and the other two are SCARCE. You cannot just walk into a reloading supply store and have your choice of powders. Most of the time there is little if any choice. Edited July 27 by Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 Good luck finding Red Dot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 1 minute ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Good luck finding Red Dot. $52/lb at MidwayUSA. (I'm not buying any.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazy Eeyour Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 look at a burn rate chart. Find a powder around Red Dot and find a 12 gauge load in the manuals, then find the powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 On 7/27/2024 at 10:02 AM, Wild Eagle said: Well, I would do that if I could just walk into a local gun store and buy whatever I wanted, but I can't. Haven't seen clays or 700x on the shelf in at least two years, probably three. Red Dot shows up once in a while, but you better be quick to get it. Found a couple of pounds of Clay Dot about two years ago and bought it, but it's long gone. So far I have not resorted to buying from the big box online retailers because I like having local gun shops around. They won't be around if we don't buy from them. I will probably try to trade the HP-38 for some Red Dot, Promo, Clays, 700x or even some Nitro 100. Just thought that someone here may have already worked up a 12 gage load for it. I'm loading all of my practice 12 gage with Clean Shot and could shoot it in matches if I need to, it's just a little dirty at the low pressures we use. pk , i get it , but there are other shotgun powders out there - they are still making some to produce the shotshells , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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