watab kid Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 On 7/23/2024 at 5:41 AM, Pat Riot said: I know you know this but I have made it my duty, and joyfully so around certain types of people, to ensure that everyone understands that we do not live in a democracy. The United States is a Republic. yes , im aware of both , i appreciate your efforts and know full well we are a republic , im using their own terminology to point out the failing , but i think you knew that , this sjhould never happen to either side , i would feel just as strongly if biden had been the target and would want the truth out same as i do now , unacceptable to anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 8 hours ago, watab kid said: yes , im aware of both , i appreciate your efforts and know full well we are a republic , im using their own terminology to point out the failing , but i think you knew that , this sjhould never happen to either side , i would feel just as strongly if biden had been the target and would want the truth out same as i do now , unacceptable to anyone I think the big problem these days is not many respect the office of the presidency, regardless of who the president actually is. I do not like our current president, but I truly wish no real harm come to him because he is our president. Like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 14 hours ago, Pat Riot said: I think the big problem these days is not many respect the office of the presidency, regardless of who the president actually is. I do not like our current president, but I truly wish no real harm come to him because he is our president. Like it or not. im with you on that , have always felt that way , i didnt care for clinton but he was the president and deserved the respect of the office , even when he sorta disgraced it i felt that way , these are trying times , we have faced them before and we survived , we shall continue to do so , but that does not stop us from calling out what we see for what it is , having said that - i never want to see another assassinations attempt and i expect a full review that results in those responsible for that failure and any other be dealt with - speaking of that the boarder situation needs some reviewing from the top down , it is not something the US population should have to suffer without heads roiling big time , there is going to be a major consequence to this irresponsible action that is going to cost more american lives than it already has taken , THAT is unacceptable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 I do NOT , think the truth will ever be known . Nor those responsible , will be held accountable Chickasaw Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 2 hours ago, watab kid said: i expect a full review that results in those responsible for that failure and any other be dealt with - speaking of that the boarder situation needs some reviewing from the top down , Unfortunately, those doing the investigating will be those that have the most to lose if such an investigation were to actually find anything, just like always. The DEI head of the USSS has resigned. it will stop there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 1 hour ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: Unfortunately, those doing the investigating will be those that have the most to lose if such an investigation were to actually find anything, just like always. The DEI head of the USSS has resigned. it will stop there. i hope not - there is more to go around here , should not have happened ....even us novice shooters would know that , i have no training but i can/could see this as a potential position , there is a lot more explaining to be done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 4 hours ago, watab kid said: i hope not - there is more to go around here , should not have happened ....even us novice shooters would know that , i have no training but i can/could see this as a potential position , there is a lot more explaining to be done Ask yourself this: How often has the government investigating themselves EVER found anybody responsible for any wrongdoing? And if they did, it was always politically motivated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Huckleberry Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 2 hours ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: How often has the government investigating themselves EVER found anybody responsible for any wrongdoing? I’d answer that, but it’s currently under investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 9 hours ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: Ask yourself this: How often has the government investigating themselves EVER found anybody responsible for any wrongdoing? And if they did, it was always politically motivated. ill give you that - media is already turning circles trying to add spin to what has been revealed so far , i take it you expect it to go the way of the "grassy knoll" in the reports ? when and if they come out ......... i am old enough to remember all that quite well i was in my teens back then , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 6 minutes ago, watab kid said: ill give you that - media is already turning circles trying to add spin to what has been revealed so far , i take it you expect it to go the way of the "grassy knoll" in the reports ? when and if they come out ......... i am old enough to remember all that quite well i was in my teens back then , I doubt that any report of substance will be made public. If and when Trump gets back in, they will be so focused on Orange Man Bad stories, that they won't bother with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 7 minutes ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: I doubt that any report of substance will be made public. If and when Trump gets back in, they will be so focused on Orange Man Bad stories, that they won't bother with it. yes , im sure your right there , i also figured they would redact it as confidential stuff they dont want out there , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Director Wray of the FBI is reported to have said that Trump's wound was not made by a bullet, but possibly shrapnel! Trump's own doctor and the doctor who treated him in the hospital both have said there is no question that the wound was caused by a bullet, as both have treated gunshot wounds. In addition, there is the photo showing the bullet having passed Trump's head, and there was nothing around to have caused shrapnel to be generated! In my opinion (NOT HUMBLE!) the director and the Sec. of Homeland Security should be fired...NOT given a chance to resign! If there are insufficient personnel available in the USSS and the FBI, to protect ALL the candidates, then maybe some other organization should be called in... Speical Ops troops, or whoever. There have always been some untoward things going on in our political process (see Tilden v Hayes), but this is the biggest clusterflop I've seen in my 82 years (and I have listened to the process since I was 6 years old (I was allowed to listen on the radio to the Democratic convention of 1948, when Strom Thurmond and the Dixiecrats walked out). Alfred E, Neumann for Emperor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 1 hour ago, Trailrider #896 said: Director Wray of the FBI is reported to have said that Trump's wound was not made by a bullet, but possibly shrapnel! From what I heard (did not watch the hearing), the response was to a question as to if it could have been shrapnel instead of a bullet, and Wray did not know the answer but would find out if it was a bullet or shrapnel. Either you or I is getting spin in news reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 10 hours ago, Trailrider #896 said: Director Wray of the FBI is reported to have said that Trump's wound was not made by a bullet, but possibly shrapnel! Trump's own doctor and the doctor who treated him in the hospital both have said there is no question that the wound was caused by a bullet, as both have treated gunshot wounds. In addition, there is the photo showing the bullet having passed Trump's head, and there was nothing around to have caused shrapnel to be generated! In my opinion (NOT HUMBLE!) the director and the Sec. of Homeland Security should be fired...NOT given a chance to resign! If there are insufficient personnel available in the USSS and the FBI, to protect ALL the candidates, then maybe some other organization should be called in... Speical Ops troops, or whoever. There have always been some untoward things going on in our political process (see Tilden v Hayes), but this is the biggest clusterflop I've seen in my 82 years (and I have listened to the process since I was 6 years old (I was allowed to listen on the radio to the Democratic convention of 1948, when Strom Thurmond and the Dixiecrats walked out). Alfred E, Neumann for Emperor! no , he said that he had not determined ifit was or was not .............but the media went crazy with that - he knows we all know , it was a bullet and even if it hyad been shrapnel it was from a bullet and really what is the difference ? it should never have happened , period , i will never wish this on a Politian of any party - when the leftest candidate here went down in a plane crash and the socialists held their love fest ...i said and meant that was not a thing to celebrate - it was sad the man died , id rather seen hm defeated in an election [which he wouldnt have been here] but never wished him dead , we used to have differing views and live with each other day-to-day , i hope it goes back to that one day , otherwise the civil way may be inevitable and it wont be pretty - not that the lat one was , but this one will pit thge urban folks against those of us that wont go into the cities anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 Pardon me is this is a dumb question but for it to be shrapnel doesn’t the bullet have to hit something and break up to be shrapnel? So Wray actually thinks it may have been shrapnel instead of the bullet? This guy is the head of the FBI ??🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Kit Cool Gun Garth Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 15 hours ago, watab kid said: yes , im sure your right there , i also figured they would redact it as confidential stuff they dont want out there , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 The shrapnel vs bullet only became a question after Trump said he took a bullet for democracy. They think if it was shrapnel that would downplay that claim. Of course we know that it makes zero difference which hit him but it definitely appears to have been the bullet. So now the FBI with the standard cooperation of the media is trying to push the shrapnel narrative. Some of the media explicitly admitted after the debate that they were not doing reports on Bidens obvious mental decline because they would be supporting conservative tropes. Intentionally reporting stories that only supports one side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 7 hours ago, watab kid said: i will never wish this on a Politian of any party - when the leftest candidate here went down in a plane crash and the socialists held their love fest ...i said and meant that was not a thing to celebrate - it was sad the man died , id rather seen hm defeated in an election [which he wouldnt have been here] but never wished him dead , I remember that. The left used it as a vehicle to push their agenda. Out of respect, McCain suspended his campaign during that time, and some say that it cost him the election. 7 hours ago, watab kid said: we used to have differing views and live with each other day-to-day , i hope it goes back to that one day , otherwise the civil way may be inevitable and it wont be pretty - not that the lat one was , but this one will pit thge urban folks against those of us that wont go into the cities anymore The main difference between us and them is that we are willing to let others do what they wish, while they want to cram their lifestyles and views down out throats. If they were to just leave us alone, we'd be fine. I hope that they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. R. Hugh Kidnme Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 3 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: Pardon me is this is a dumb question but for it to be shrapnel doesn’t the bullet have to hit something and break up to be shrapnel? So Wray actually thinks it may have been shrapnel instead of the bullet? This guy is the head of the FBI ??🙄 The shooter was trying for a ricochet kill shot. He was trying to bounce it off a handrail on the bleachers, then off the teleprompter, and then off one of the flag poles. Higher level of difficulty and a better score was possible. WAIT.....the Olympic marksmanship competition wasn't yet underway??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 There is a reason some use the term Fibbies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 On 7/27/2024 at 7:12 AM, Father Kit Cool Gun Garth said: duh , really ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 On 7/27/2024 at 9:58 AM, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: I remember that. The left used it as a vehicle to push their agenda. Out of respect, McCain suspended his campaign during that time, and some say that it cost him the election. The main difference between us and them is that we are willing to let others do what they wish, while they want to cram their lifestyles and views down out throats. If they were to just leave us alone, we'd be fine. I hope that they do. i think he would have lost anyway , and yes "they" like to control our lives with their rules regulations restrictions and we want to live free as long as it doesnt prevent others from that same option , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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