SHOOTIN FOX Posted July 15, 2024 Posted July 15, 2024 The Barnstormer bullet was also developed by Adirondike Jack. He sold the mold and rights to me to continue production. I still have a full time job so production is slow right now, but improving. .452,;hollow base, truncated cone, 130 grain bullet. Made for the 45cs case. If anyone is interested send me a PM. This was a cull after powder coating. Just as an example. Fox
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted July 17, 2024 Posted July 17, 2024 I are tickled pink to learn Shootin' Fox is still in the Barnstormer business. If you're looking for more fun and less recoil in .45 pistols, look no farther. The Barnstormer is absolutely PERFECT. And when combined with the Cowboy 45 Special cartridge, it's even more "Special."
Idaho Gunslinger Posted July 17, 2024 Posted July 17, 2024 1 hour ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: I are tickled pink to learn Shootin' Fox is still in the Barnstormer business. If you're looking for more fun and less recoil in .45 pistols, look no farther. The Barnstormer is absolutely PERFECT. And when combined with the Cowboy 45 Special cartridge, it's even more "Special." I've been buying Barnstormers from him for a good 3 years now.
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted July 19, 2024 Author Posted July 19, 2024 I have decided sence I already load 45 acp . All I have to do is buy a 45 acp cylinder and already set to load and shoot . If I go Cowboy 45 special. I have to buy brass . I have to buy Dies . To load them . So I think I'm just going to buy a 45 ACP Cylinder and call it done . Rooster
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted July 19, 2024 Posted July 19, 2024 Aw cummon guys. We gotta get this thread to at least THREE pages. Let us get busy al ready!!
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted July 19, 2024 Author Posted July 19, 2024 I'm surprised it's still going. I must not be the only one thinking about it . When I ordered 45 cylinders for my Dragoon's . I got one 45 Colt and One 45 ACP . I called them and asked how I got a 45 acp cylinder ? It was a mistake and I just had to send it back and they sent me the 45 Colt cylinder. After the fact , I thought maybe I should have got two 45 acp cylinders instead. But that seemed kinda silly to me in Colt Dragoon's
Three Foot Johnson Posted July 20, 2024 Posted July 20, 2024 Three pages? OK, here goes... a .45 acp cylinder is great to put your small primer brass to good use instead of tossing them.
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted July 20, 2024 Posted July 20, 2024 I bought 1K .45 Cowboy Specials and loaded with Titegroup, under a 200 gr. LRNFPBB and I'm saving my .45 Colt loaded with TB or Clays for my rifle. I have found the .45 Cowboy Specials leave a rim inside my SAA's and after shooting a few hundred, a .45 Colt will not go all the way in. Using the standard ,45 Colt size shell holder, I deprime/resize using my regular .45 Colt RCBS die, bell the cases with a .45 ACP die and use a .45 ACP seating/crimp die to complete the load. They all work great.
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted July 20, 2024 Author Posted July 20, 2024 2 hours ago, Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 said: I bought 1K .45 Cowboy Specials and loaded with Titegroup, under a 200 gr. LRNFPBB and I'm saving my .45 Colt loaded with TB or Clays for my rifle. I have found the .45 Cowboy Specials leave a rim inside my SAA's and after shooting a few hundred, a .45 Colt will not go all the way in. I deprime/resize using my regular RCBS die, bell the cases with a .45 ACP die and use a .45 ACP seating/crimp die to complete the load. They all work great. I did kìda think if that was the way I was going to go. That the 45acp dies with a different shell holder, Might work for the 45 Cowboy Spl.
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted July 20, 2024 Posted July 20, 2024 Does anybody but me ever pronounce .45 ACP, "forty five ackip?" Just trying to keep the thread going and change gears in an odd way again. All that being said, I'd love to have a Sheriff's model Colt in .45 ACP. Why? Why not?
Texas Jack Black Posted July 20, 2024 Posted July 20, 2024 4 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Does anybody but me ever pronounce .45 ACP, "forty five ackip?" Just trying to keep the thread going and change gears in an odd way again. All that being said, I'd love to have a Sheriff's model Colt in .45 ACP. Why? Why not? What you using for powder?
SHOOTIN FOX Posted July 20, 2024 Posted July 20, 2024 45cs uses 45 acp dies and 45 colt shell holder.
Griff Posted July 20, 2024 Posted July 20, 2024 I don't know about them "ferin" guns, but... my Colt auto loading pistols say, "45 Auto" on the barrel as viewed thru the ejection port. Even my brass sez "45 Auto"... Is yours different? {Doin' my bit to get 'er to 3 pages)!
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted July 20, 2024 Posted July 20, 2024 I gotta argue a little bit here. 45 ACP dies "will" work with C45S cases, but not optimally. Best to resize C45S with 45 Colt resizing die as an ACP die imparts a slight taper to the case. I also don't like the ACP Taper Crimp. I much prefer a solid roll crimp ala the Redding Profile Crimp die. DISCLAIMER: I also shoot C45S in rifles and a solid Roll Crimp prevents "Turtles."
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted July 21, 2024 Author Posted July 21, 2024 10 hours ago, Texas Jack Black said: What you using for powder? Unique
Lucky R. K. Posted July 21, 2024 Posted July 21, 2024 14 hours ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: I gotta argue a little bit here. 45 ACP dies "will" work with C45S cases, but not optimally. Best to resize C45S with 45 Colt resizing die as an ACP die imparts a slight taper to the case. I also don't like the ACP Taper Crimp. I much prefer a solid roll crimp ala the Redding Profile Crimp die. DISCLAIMER: I also shoot C45S in rifles and a solid Roll Crimp prevents "Turtles." I agree with the Maker Of Coffins here except that I like to use the 45 Auto Rim crimping die. Lucky
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted July 21, 2024 Posted July 21, 2024 OOPSIES!! Full disclosure here. I error'd. Lucky R.K. Stirred my Gnat like memory and I hadda go look. Lucky is actually using same same crimp die as I are. My preferred and recommended crimp die is the Redding AUTO RIM Profile Crimp Die. A most excellent crimp it is too. Thanks Lucky. I had forgotten the most important "AR" part of my crimp die.
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted July 21, 2024 Author Posted July 21, 2024 30 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: OOPSIES!! Full disclosure here. I error'd. Lucky R.K. Stirred my Gnat like memory and I hadda go look. Lucky is actually using same same crimp die as I are. My preferred and recommended crimp die is the Redding AUTO RIM Profile Crimp Die. A most excellent crimp it is too. Thanks Lucky. I had forgotten the most important "AR" part of my crimp die. What about the Lee Factory Crimp Die ? I have had good luck using it . Especially on the 44 WCF cartridge .
Griff Posted July 21, 2024 Posted July 21, 2024 40 minutes ago, Lucky R. K. said: I agree with the Maker Of Coffins here except that I like to use the 45 Auto Rim crimping die. Lucky While not terribly descriptive, most 45Auto/AR/Gap reloading die sets come with a taper crimp/seating die. The only one making a dedicated ROLL CRIMP die for the 45Auto/AR/GAP is RCBS, as a stand alone product... no available in any set. part nbr: 18942. Neither the Lee Factory Crimp Die nor the Redding Profile Crimp Die are described very well in the literature I could find. But, as seen here, the Lee FCD for the 45 Auto is still a taper crimp die. Whereas the RCBS Roll Crimp Die imparts a much more dramatic crimp to the C45S:
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted July 21, 2024 Posted July 21, 2024 Having .45 Colt and .45 ACP cylinders and ammo sounds like a good plan until you arrive at a match with the wrong cylinders in the gun or the wrong ammo. KISS
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted July 21, 2024 Posted July 21, 2024 The Redding AR crimp die I have imparts a nice Roll Crimp. I don't know if the Lee Factory Crimp die will reach a C45S case.
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted July 22, 2024 Author Posted July 22, 2024 What weight bullet have you guys tride to run in the 45 Special ?
Red Eye Jim Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/20/2024 at 4:47 PM, Colorado Coffinmaker said: I gotta argue a little bit here. 45 ACP dies "will" work with C45S cases, but not optimally. Best to resize C45S with 45 Colt resizing die as an ACP die imparts a slight taper to the case. I also don't like the ACP Taper Crimp. I much prefer a solid roll crimp ala the Redding Profile Crimp die. DISCLAIMER: I also shoot C45S in rifles and a solid Roll Crimp prevents "Turtles." I never really thought about it because I usually de-prime my brass before cleaning using the Dillion de-priming and sizing die, then load the C45S after the 45 Colt by just changing out the head on 550 for to the one I use for 45ACP (if there was wild bunch that week) and since it's all de-primed I don't put the case in that first position until it's time to press in the primer then advance. Then load the 45ACP after changing the plate.
Lucky R. K. Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 17 hours ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: The Redding AR crimp die I have imparts a nice Roll Crimp. I don't know if the Lee Factory Crimp die will reach a C45S case. Mine does also Mr. Maker. I have the Lee Factory Crimp die also and it gives a good crimp on the C45S case if you remove enough metal off base, so the case mouth reaches the crimping portion of the die. Lucky
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 Hi Ya again Rooster I've run 160Gr RNFP from Meister Bullets, 165Gr from somebody else (I forget) and 180Gr RNFP from Badman bullets, both coated and plain and 180Gr RNFP from Missouri Bulet Co. Of course, I also mostly now shoot the Barnstormer 130Gr. My propellent of choice is APP 3F. LUCKY - Yep. I pretty much thought the Lee FCD would have to be modified for use with the C45S
Warden Callaway Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 I've tried the Lee FCD on several cases and on different presses. Cut one back and opened up fingers, still no good. Bought RCBS roll crimp die for 45 Auto Rim to crimp my C45S. Works.
Griff Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 12 hours ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said: What weight bullet have you guys tride to run in the 45 Special ? For cowboy in the handguns, I run a 160 grain RFN from Badman and in the rifle a 200 grain. For Wild Bunch in the Marlin 1894 I did the WidderMajik conversion on, I run a 200 grain from any of the makers that are using a Magma mold, or if I feel like casting my own, from a 6 cavity Lee 200 RFN mold.
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted July 22, 2024 Author Posted July 22, 2024 Thanks for all the help and useful information. Rooster
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/20/2024 at 10:26 AM, Texas Jack Black said: What you using for powder? I used to use Trailboss for .45 ACP. (And practically everything else.) My Dad used Red Dot, and I have his notes, so I'll give that a try.
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/21/2024 at 1:48 PM, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: Having .45 Colt and .45 ACP cylinders and ammo sounds like a good plan until you arrive at a match with the wrong cylinders in the gun or the wrong ammo. KISS With my Colt Sheriff's models, which came with dual cylinders from the factory, they are labeled .44-40 and .44 Special quite clearly on the side of the cylinder. That being said, Larsen makes a very valid point. When I got a .44-40 cylinder for my Buntline .44 Special, I specifically got one in stainless with an unfluted cylinder to be a clear contrast from the nickel fluted on in the factory .44 Special chambering. IF I ever get .45 ACP cylinders for any of my .45's, I'll either get them nickeled if the gun is blue, or unfluted or something else to give me an obvious visual cue. With the Sheriff's models, since one is blued the other nickeled, I considered going matching is Special, unmatched is .44-40, but it seems that slight variations in the SAA sometimes require a cylinder to be fitted to the frame it goes in, and since both work in the guns they came with but did not fit in the other, I didn't wanna mess with them. Those I just have to pay attention to.
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted July 22, 2024 Author Posted July 22, 2024 I'm surprised how much interest we have on this topic. I guess we all are looking to expand or collection with out having to purchase another firearm. The cost of a new revolver these days is 500 and up . We can add another cylinder and a different cartridge for only a couple hundred or so . Rooster
slow poke gear Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 18 hours ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said: What weight bullet have you guys tride to run in the 45 Special ? I started off with 180s but after trying 160s I could feel a lot less recoil with the 160s.
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 53 minutes ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said: I'm surprised how much interest we have on this topic. I guess we all are looking to expand or collection with out having to purchase another firearm. The cost of a new revolver these days is 500 and up . We can add another cylinder and a different cartridge for only a couple hundred or so . Rooster Yeah sure, but if you just buy the new revolver then you don't have to mess with all that time-consuming cylinder swapping back and forth.
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