Alpo Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 The Beretta 950 25 automatic pistol does not have an extractor. I guess they decided it does not need one. It's a straight blowback. The recoil pushes the slide back and pushes the empty out. And if for some reason the empty did not come back, you push the little side lever and pop the barrel up and then push the stuck case out. This is great. Unless - You are unaware that the gun does not have an extractor You are testing new magazines. You put a magazine up the butt. You pull the slide back and let it go. It feeds a round off the magazine. You pull the slide back again, expecting it to pull the round out of the chamber, and you let the slide go so it can feed the second round into the chamber. But, since it does not have an extractor, what happens is the round in the chamber stays there, and the second round gets shoved up tight against it. It is now partially out of the magazine. You can't drop the magazine. And because the nose of this second cartridge is at the feed ramp of the barrel, you can't tip the barrel up. You have a very well jammed gun. This is not really a problem, assuming that you have a quarter inch rod that you can use to push the case out of the barrel from the muzzle. And three hands. One hand to hold the gun, the second hand to pull the slide back, and the third hand to push the second cartridge back into the magazine and then down so the slide can come forward over it. If you don't have three hands, however, this is a bitch. Took me about 45 minutes. I shall endeavor to remember that in the future. That this gun does not have an extractor, and pulling the slide back don't clear the chamber. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 (edited) I find it very interesting that you can still learn something. My daughter has my late wife's .32 (Tomcat?). I'll have to ask her if it has an extractor. I just never thought to look. My "new" 1908 Colt .25 has one. It's a cute little trinket, but the smallest caliber I carry is a .380 and I usually have a 1957 Colt Detective .38 Special or a .45 ACP 1911.... and I have one on my person and a couple more in the car or close at hand. What can I say? I just love guns! Edited June 25 by Forty Rod SASS 3935 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 I just checked my Tomcat...no extractor. Also found this online: "Notably, the design omits an extractor mechanism, thus, the firearm relies solely on the blowback energy of the cartridge to extract and eject spent casings." Source Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 (edited) As far as I know no gun with a tip up barrel has an extractor. You couldn't tip the barrel up if the extractor was in it. I had a 10/22 that had an occasional failure to extract, but usually worked great. after a couple years I realized it had a missing extractor. It shot quite well for not having one. Edited June 25 by Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 I have the .22 Short version. Same thing, no extractor. BUT..... You don't insert the magazine and work the slide to load and chamber a round. Insert the magazine, hit the lever to tip up the barrel, insert loose round into the chamber. The manual says to load the chamber then insert the magazine. I don't like manipulating it with a round in the chamber. It does mention pulling back the slide as another way, but since Beretta put the barrel tip first, I figure that is the preferred method. There isn't a whole lot to hold onto. The manual: https://www.berettaweb.com/Munuals/950 series.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 26 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said: If you were to fire that, I'm certain it would smart a whole lot and definitely leave a mark. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 4 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said: If you were to fire that, I'm certain it would smart a whole lot and definitely leave a mark. In spite of what it looks like in that photo, it doesn't bite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted June 25 Author Share Posted June 25 I'm sure it would if you fired it like that. You have the web of your hand over the top of the horn, which means the slide will run over the web of your hand. As to loading one. Yes, I know. You pop up the barrel and load the chamber. But I was attempting to make sure that the magazines would feed. The easy way to do that is to work the slide and run an entire magazine's worth through the chamber. But not with a gun with no extractor. I received two new magazines in the mail today, and wanted to make sure they would feed. I suppose I could have loaded them and walked out in the backyard and shot the ground, but that tends to annoy the neighbors. Not to mention that it's expensive as hell - 25s running about 50 cents a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 5 minutes ago, Alpo said: I'm sure it would if you fired it like that. You have the web of your hand over the top of the horn, which means the slide will run over the web of your hand. As to loading one. Yes, I know. You pop up the barrel and load the chamber. But I was attempting to make sure that the magazines would feed. The easy way to do that is to work the slide and run an entire magazine's worth through the chamber. But not with a gun with no extractor. I received two new magazines in the mail today, and wanted to make sure they would feed. I suppose I could have loaded them and walked out in the backyard and shot the ground, but that tends to annoy the neighbors. Not to mention that it's expensive as hell - 25s running about 50 cents a shot. Cycle a round into the mag. Tip the barrel up and let it fall out. Repeat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 17 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said: In spite of what it looks like in that photo, it doesn't bite. My dad came into possession of one of those little 25 autos many years ago. If you didn't grip it very carefully it would remove a chunk of flesh from the web of your hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Pat Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 I think the. tomcat is a excellent carry. I have PPks and S&W snubbed but in it holds 8 32s and fits my pocket just fine 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Daughter just emailed me to confirm her Tomcat is extracterless. Said she never noticed it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 A bad safety issue if you're not aware of it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted June 25 Author Share Posted June 25 That's basically why I made the post. Let others know. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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