Wolf Creek Bodine Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 I've been slowly putting together a "Valdez Is Coming" outfit, and there's one item I simply cannot figure out. Clearly visible in many of the scenes in the movie, Bob Valdez is wearing what APPEARS to be an Indian-pattern belt, above his gunbelt. It's decorated in back, and the front appears to be plain leather, tied together around his waist. It doesn't seems logical that this would, in any way, help keep his pants up. The only purpose it seems to have is for him to tuck a glove in now and again, but that seems kind of overkill for a task his gunbelt could handle. Anyone have any idea what the significance/purpose of this item was, other than to be eye-catching for the movie patrons? Thanks in advance for any help you folks can offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Maybe to give him some support while he is riding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Creek Bodine Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 Cowboy version of a motorcyclist's kidney belt? Possible I suppose, but I've never encountered such a thing in any literature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Just now, Wolf Creek Bodine said: Cowboy version of a motorcyclist's kidney belt? Possible I suppose, but I've never encountered such a thing in any literature. From what I've read those fancy belts Hussars and others such as Royal Horse Artillery wear were/are for support while riding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Creek Bodine Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 Wow! Never knew that! Learn something everyday, even at my age! Thanks, Joe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 30 minutes ago, Wolf Creek Bodine said: Wow! Never knew that! Learn something everyday, even at my age! Thanks, Joe! We both did....I hadn't known about motorcyclist's kidney belts. I'd bet that motorcyclists got the idea from equestrians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jack Black Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Back support been around for ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 2 thoughts 1 shows affiliation with a particular people, equivalent to wearing a cut. ii. Decoration and trade item for locals in the event of interaction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Check out Etsy. Find something you like then contact maker / seller and see if they’ll do custom work. https://www.etsy.com/search?q=indian+bead+kidney+belts&ref=search_bar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Here’s someone that does custom work. Maybe she could help. Martha Berry. http://berrybeadwork.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Seems awful narrow to offer back support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 2 hours ago, Eyesa Horg said: Seems awful narrow to offer back support. I've found that even a narrow belt can help a lot with back issues. A wider one is better, but limits mobility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 3 hours ago, Texas Joker said: 2 thoughts 1 shows affiliation with a particular people, equivalent to wearing a cut. ii. Decoration and trade item for locals in the event of interaction? This ^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Creek Bodine Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 Quote 9 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said: I'd bet that motorcyclists got the idea from equestrians. 5 hours ago, Texas Jack Black said: Back support been around for ever. I expect you're both right, gentlemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Creek Bodine Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 Quote 4 hours ago, Texas Joker said: 2 thoughts 1 shows affiliation with a particular people, equivalent to wearing a cut. ii. Decoration and trade item for locals in the event of interaction? 4 hours ago, Pat Riot said: Check out Etsy. Find something you like then contact maker / seller and see if they’ll do custom work. https://www.etsy.com/search?q=indian+bead+kidney+belts&ref=search_bar Interesting possibility, Joker, thanks! And Pat, thanks for the Etsy tip. I'm off to search for new ways to spend my gold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Maverick Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 5 minutes ago, Wolf Creek Bodine said: Interesting possibility, Joker, thanks! And Pat, thanks for the Etsy tip. I'm off to search for new ways to spend my gold! I have a bridge for sale in CA and ocean front property in AZ if you need to spend more of that gold. LOL TM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 i wonder if he was wearing it to show some affiliation to an indian tribe , that was not uncommon back then , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choctaw Jack Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Maybe a variation of the Vaquero's sash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equanimous Phil Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 2 hours ago, watab kid said: i wonder if he was wearing it to show some affiliation to an indian tribe , that was not uncommon back then I watched the movie yesterday (for the first time) and that was my impression, too. Valdez said that he was "hunting Apaches until he knew better" indicating quite a change of heart and maybe some touching experiences and encounters. Also his commitment and dedication to raise money for the widow squaw shows a great bond and solidarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Get yourself a good hat. Imis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Creek Bodine Posted May 22 Author Share Posted May 22 2 hours ago, Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 said: Get yourself a good hat. Imis For the Valdez outfit? Got that covered. In fact, the entire outfit grew out of having been playing around with one of my old beaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 20 hours ago, Equanimous Phil said: I watched the movie yesterday (for the first time) and that was my impression, too. Valdez said that he was "hunting Apaches until he knew better" indicating quite a change of heart and maybe some touching experiences and encounters. Also his commitment and dedication to raise money for the widow squaw shows a great bond and solidarity. yes , that was not all that common back then , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.K. Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Valdez previously fought the Apache tribe for the US Army. The ARMY used Apaches from more peaceful tribes to track and scout out the waring tribes. The belt in question could have been a war trophy, or sometimes fancy beaded belts or amulets were given to individuals a sort of "Free pass" through indian territory or possibly as a gift for bravery in battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stump Water Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Note the hat band also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Suggestion: Google "Beaded Guitar Strap" (or go to Amazon or Etsy). You may find a suitable one to which you can add leather to the ends. Actually, the one that Bob's wearing looks like the costume people may have done just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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