Taylor’s & Co TC73 9mm

[FreePort Phil]

Here is a NRA link to another article on this rilfe.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/new-for-2024-taylor-s-company-tc73-rifle/

According to this, they are being made in Winchester, Virginia

[Jackson Haller]

I'm a little surprised Taylors didn't go with a '92 style rifle for this caliber.  There are a number of add ons/upgrades in sights, rails and optics being made for Rossi '92s, and I think a 9mm caliber '92 would appeal to those so inclined to trick one out  with such gear. It's a lighter, stronger, more compact design, especially in the carbine configuration.

Edited May 20 by Jackson Haller

[Three Foot Johnson]

2 hours ago, wyliefoxEsquire said:

 

 

I fail to see that 9mm was a revolver cartridge during the "Old West".  SHB page 2

 

 

2 hours ago, Buckshot Bob said:

Neither was 38 special or 357 mag 

Or .44 mag, or .41 mag, or .41 spl, or C45S, or .32 H&R mag, or .327 Federal, or .45 acp, or .40 S&W, or 10mm auto, or .357 Maximum, or .454 Casull, or .460 S&W mag, and probably a few others that don't immediately come to mind.

[Sedalia Dave]

13 hours ago, Jackson Haller said:

I'm a little surprised Taylors didn't go with a '92 style rifle for this caliber.  There are a number of add ons/upgrades in sights, rails and optics being made for Rossi '92s, and I think a 9mm caliber '92 would appeal to those so inclined to trick one out  with such gear. It's a lighter, stronger, more compact design, especially in the carbine configuration.

 

The 92 design would have issues with such a short cartridge. The light weight 9mm cartridges would tend to stovepipe or be ejected out the top of the action when the carrier popped up.

[Equanimous Phil]

I hope that people who already own and shoot 9mm guns, having boxes of ammo at home and buy this rifle won't just shove their 9mm round nose ammo into the tubular magazine!!

 

BTW, I wonder why no one found the very specific caliber designation "9mm" a bit odd... 

Edited May 22 by Equanimous Phil

[Rye Miles #13621]

22 hours ago, Equanimous Phil said:

I hope that people who already own and shoot 9mm guns, having boxes of ammo at home and buy this rifle won't just shove their 9mm round ball ammo into the tubular magazine!!

 

BTW, I wonder why no one found the very specific caliber designation "9mm" a bit odd... 

I found it very odd!! I'd never buy one and if it was free I'd sell it!

[Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329]

Won't be long until some shooter stuffs round nose or jacketed ammo in their gun cuz "That's what I had"

[Buckshot Bob]

I guess I’m not seeing where most 9mm ammo should be a concern. Everyone I’ve ever known has shot rn ammo in a 30/30 and that has far more recoil than a 9mm. And the radius on a .308 dia bullet is going to be smaller than on a .355 , plus the 30/30 has more mass . I don’t doubt they exist but I’ve never seen a pointed bullet in a 9mm .

What am I missing here? 

[Three Foot Johnson]

1 hour ago, Buckshot Bob said:

I don’t doubt they exist but I’ve never seen a pointed bullet in a 9mm . 

 

[Buckshot Bob]

15 minutes ago, Three Foot Johnson said:

 

Don’t doubt these could be a problem. But I wouldn’t think they are very common. Most std round nose , fp and hp should be fine . And hopefully warning in the owners manual, and a little common sense from the end user. 

[Buckshot Bob]

Apparently the make it in 38 also and there hasn’t been a rash of injuries I’ve heard about yet 

 

[Buckshot Bob]

Looks like the 45 ACP and Colt we’re both made with a small fp on the tip 

 

[Sedalia Dave]

30-30 RN is not a problem for 2 reasons. First rifle primers are way less sensitive than pistol primers because the cup is thicker.

 

Second because of the rim and the bottle neck the nose of one bullet does not rest in the center of the next rounds primer.

[Three Foot Johnson]

Not all of those classic old lever gun rifle cartridges have a rim, the .35 Remington for example.

[Sedalia Dave]

18 minutes ago, Three Foot Johnson said:

Not all of those classic old lever gun rifle cartridges have a rim, the .35 Remington for example.

 

YEP

 

See reason 1

[Buckshot Bob]

55 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said:

30-30 RN is not a problem for 2 reasons. First rifle primers are way less sensitive than pistol primers because the cup is thicker.

 

Second because of the rim and the bottle neck the nose of one bullet does not rest in the center of the next rounds primer.

I have a hard time believing that Taylor’s didn’t investigate this possibility before producing/testing the gun . If this is going to set off std hardball it’s going to be a liability nightmare. And I know a guy “I know everyone does” that used to work for CCI that said that there small rifle and pistol primers were the same except for the ones that they produced to military spec which were harder “ or magnums or bench rest, maybe other manufacturers aren’t” . So I don’t know if that means a different thickness , material or heat treat, anvil, compound ? And if the rim theory applies why not use pointed bullets? I just don’t see how even with a rimmed cartridge occasionally one bullet nose isn’t going to center on the primer during firing or dropping the gun with all the cartridges are bouncing around in the mag tube. 73’s that have been converted to 45acp aren’t out there setting off chain fires in the mag tube. It just seems to me people are looking for a problem where there isn’t one. I guess we will find out when these hit the market if they all start having chain fires 

[Warden Callaway]

My opinion,  mark it DOA and put a toe tag on it. 

[C.C. Moonshine]

Howdy all,

 

So just a couple things.

We had the pleasure of spending a great deal of time with Taylor's Co. at the NRA Show and got to handle this rifle.

This rifle is absolutely beautiful !  I put in an order at the show to have them in stock soon in my store.

This rifle will appeal to the fast growing lever action market. That's right, lever actions are on a steady increase in sales. (+16% YTD in our shop)

For several reasons, 

1. Several states are on the war path against Semi Auto rifles (AR's and the like) so manufacturers are trying things like the Henry Homesteader, Smith & Wesson's 1854, & Rossi's 92 adds. Also the new PCC carbines.

2. Everyone (most everyone) owned or ran out and bought an AR or tactical something during the pandemic so they are looking for something different.

3. Patterns in buying are cyclic in motion and lever guns are due for their rotation.

 

9mm is the commanding leader in caliber, as far as the percentage of people that own something in 9mm.

Rough estimate of gun owners that own at least one 9mm might be around 90% of gun owners

No other caliber can claim this. 

 

I wish the folks that don't like it would at least remember that Taylor's Co. has been and is a big  supporter of the sport we love so much! Show some love for those in the industry. 

This is going to be a great gun for Taylor's and my customers will take to it.

 

My statements are based on owning a Gun Shop, Range, and being a gun smith. Also cowboy shooting for 20 years.

 

[Tn Tombstone]

CC Moonshine, Glad you chimed in. I was going to say at the NRA Show last week....

 

Every time I went by the Taylor booth they were  packed and it was not Cowboys packing the booth.

 

You all certainly had a better view then I did but I did get out of our booth quite a bit.

[Abilene, SASS # 27489]

After all the startup costs, why limit it to 9mm, even if they do good with that caliber?  Now, if the cost is going to be higher than Uberti, then that would limit sales but still, made in USA will appeal to many people, like HRA's 1860.  I would expect to see more calibers in the future.

[Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933]

On 5/22/2024 at 12:00 PM, Three Foot Johnson said:

Not all of those classic old lever gun rifle cartridges have a rim, the .35 Remington for example.

The .35 Remington was designed for the Remington Model 8 in 1906.  The Model 8 is a semi-auto.  A couple of years later the .35 was chambered in the Remington Model 14, a pump action.  Marlin did not chamber the .35 Remington in a lever gun until 1950.  If we assume "classic" means before 1900 I cannot think of any rimless levergun cartridge made before that date.

[Warden Callaway]

3 hours ago, C.C. Moonshine said:

Rough estimate of gun owners that own at least one 9mm might be around 90% of gun owners

I'm acquainted with hundreds of gun owners and don't "know" any that own a 9mm. Surely there are some.  

[Yul Lose]

On 5/19/2024 at 4:21 PM, Buckshot Bob said:

Neither was 38 special or 357 mag 

Or Cowboy .45 Special

[Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971]

17 minutes ago, Warden Callaway said:

I'm acquainted with hundreds of gun owners and don't "know" any that own a 9mm. Surely there are some.  

I shoot some modern action handgun matches.  Most shooters are young men shooting plastic semi-autos with red dot sights and high cap mags filled with 9 mm Luger ammo.  I don’t criticize their choice of ammo.  That cartridge has been around about as long as the Bullseye or Unique powder many of us reload with.  I do dislike some of their shooting styles.  Their spray and pray shooting resembles video game shooting.  They miss many targets completely and leave many hostage targets shot.  I shoot a 1911 or a revolver, usually tip a pepper popper on my first shot and rarely hit a hostage.  I own 9 mm firearms as do many shooters my age.  We just learned to make our shots count and not shoot anything that didn’t need a hole through it.

[Idaho Gunslinger]

4 hours ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said:

The .35 Remington was designed for the Remington Model 8 in 1906.  The Model 8 is a semi-auto.  A couple of years later the .35 was chambered in the Remington Model 14, a pump action.  Marlin did not chamber the .35 Remington in a lever gun until 1950.  If we assume "classic" means before 1900 I cannot think of any rimless levergun cartridge made before that date.

Shoot the 308 Win is a classic to me looking at my Dad's "old" Savage 99 chambered in it. 

3 hours ago, Warden Callaway said:

I'm acquainted with hundreds of gun owners and don't "know" any that own a 9mm. Surely there are some.  

That really surprises me since 9mm is pretty much the old cartridge gun shops sell in any volume at least the last 5 years if not more. The Army and the FBI really killed off the popularity of all the other cartridges when they went to the 9mm. 

3 hours ago, Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 said:

I shoot some modern action handgun matches.  Most shooters are young men shooting plastic semi-autos with red dot sights and high cap mags filled with 9 mm Luger ammo.  I don’t criticize their choice of ammo.  That cartridge has been around about as long as the Bullseye or Unique powder many of us reload with.  I do dislike some of their shooting styles.  Their spray and pray shooting resembles video game shooting.  They miss many targets completely and leave many hostage targets shot.  I shoot a 1911 or a revolver, usually tip a pepper popper on my first shot and rarely hit a hostage.  I own 9 mm firearms as do many shooters my age.  We just learned to make our shots count and not shoot anything that didn’t need a hole through it.

Don't watch me shoot gunfighter then! Hahaha

[Tom Bullweed]

I shot a Uberti 1860 Henry Trapper modified (stop screw in the carrier) to shoot Cowboy .45 Special.  I loaded these rounds with Lee .45 ACP dies that made a taper crimp, instead of the roll crimp common to revolver rounds.  I only felt safe when shooting compressed BP or subs, as I was concerned about setting the bullet into the case with the taper crimp.

I asked the folks at Taylor's if they had considered this issue.  The e-mail response just stated that any factory-loaded 9x19mm cartridge should be fine.

I guess that we will see.

[Smokin Gator SASS #29736]

On 5/24/2024 at 3:40 PM, Warden Callaway said:

I'm acquainted with hundreds of gun owners and don't "know" any that own a 9mm. Surely there are some.  

 

You know of every firearm that hundreds of acquaintances own? Even if they're all cowboy shooters they probably mostly talk about their cowboy guns, sure. But many probably have a 9mm.

[Three Foot Johnson]

It seems a little odd that out of hundreds of gun-owning acquaintances none of them own a 9mm, but that's probably not what he meant. I know a lot of folks too, but I don't know for sure of any who collect stamps or coins or wear mismatched socks, but surely there are some. 

 

My main shooting interest is CAS, but I can still come up with a dozen 9mm's. There are probably a lot of my shooting friends who don't know I own a 9mm.

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

I don't get the threading for a silencer, but let that go.

Putting it in 9mm is sorta meh in my book.   Now, if it was in .45 ACP, I'd preorder one.  I'd love to have some main match guns in that caliber.

Edited May 28 by H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619

[Ranger Dan]

Yean, kinda pricey, but if it is competition ready out of the box. I can see it being competitive with the Uberti's + parts + work = competition rifle. The currently available pistols in 9mm make this a good option for a new shooter that already shoots and possibly reloads 9mm. If these had been available 5 years ago, I never would have bought a 38sp. I've got at least 2k in each of my competition rifles if you add in the hours spent.

[runs with scissors]

I don't think this rifle is originally intended for the cowboy crowd.

 

There is a whole new class of Tactical lever action shooters out there.  With scopes, red dot sights and silencers.

 

The firearm companies are just looking for the next best thing to deal with possible "assault" rifle bans.

[FreePort Phil]

I think this is great, as it will be a new option in the lever gun market.  It was not very long ago that there were not many choices to be had.

[Rye Miles #13621]

6 hours ago, FreePort Phil said:

I think this is great, as it will be a new option in the lever gun market.  It was not very long ago that there were not many choices to be had.

$2100 is a lot for a lever gun. I think that’s going to be its  demise! 

[Vail Vigilante]

We live in the golden age of suppressors. Most of the rifles I have seen regardless of action type in the past 5-10 years have a threaded barrel, or a threaded barrel version. Personally I am pro-suppressor, although it would look weird in CAS. There are many choices regarding thread protectors, I am sure a fella could find something that "blends in" without too much trouble.

[Buckshot Bob]

7 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

$2100 is a lot for a lever gun. I think that’s going to be its  demise! 

Depends on the customer they are targeting. Is made in the USA and has real color case hardening . If it’s made to a standard rather than a price I could see them selling enough to keep it in the lineup. They have $500 dollar and $2500 AR companies that both stay in business. And it’s in the most popular handgun caliber in the world