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Crinkled Brass After Reloading on my Dillion 650


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6 minutes ago, Tex Jones, SASS 2263 said:

.http://www.davidscottharper.com/photos/38-357.jpg

 

 

From an old CAS City thread on crimped rounds. 

Thanks, so it does show it being seated lower. I think I will wait until after my next match to go lower since I am not sure how my rifle will handle a shorter OAL. Right now it is 1.45 so guessing you all are saying around 1.43.

 

TM 

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7 minutes ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said:

 

That's my photo! :)  The reason I posted that one was to show that the stubby 125gr bullet on the left was too short to feed through my '73

so my 125 should look like the second from the left. I will work on this but concerned about bringing a new type of load to the table for the state match without having shot it before. I will stay at my current length until after the state match and the pasta match (Great Spaghetti Western) the following weekend. Then I will load some at around 1.43 and see how they feed in my rifle.

 

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?????? If they are working at 1.45 leave it.  The guns are designed to shoot ammo that is 1.590" OAL.  The modern guns can go shorter because of the ramp on the front of the carrier.  Going to short will ultimately lead to feeding problems.  If your ammo is working at 1.45 don't worry about trying 1.43.  The brass can vary in OAL.  The crimp groove in the bullet can vary by who made the mold.  Neither of those is necessarily a precise measurement.

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Any toggle link gun made in the last 25 years should feed a 125gr TC bullet fine.  Some people get hung up on OAL.  I always crimp into the crimp groove so the rounds look and feel right with no gaps or edges, and then measure them afterwards (I just measured and my rounds are OAL 1.435-1.440").  The only time you need to pay attention to OAL is if you have a short round or short bullet and need to load it long so that it will feed properly.  This is more likely to happen in an angle-feed gun like a Marlin or '92.

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As you adjust your dies, all of them, keep in mind that the threads are "coarse", meaning that it only requires small adjustments to make significant changes in the amount of flare (or bell in the venacular), seating depth or crimp.  Here is a thread I created on another forum to show how I make a Adjustment for a Proper Rollcrimp.  

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Thanks for all the input. I did converse with Shotgun Boogie to get his input on the OAL and he said not to get below 1.44 and since I have shot my 1.45 rounds for years without any issue I am staying at that length. I checked the bullet with a loaded one and the crimp is right at the top of the crimp groove.

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Here is the final product after putting more crimp on it. I can run my fingernail down the side without it catching on the rim of the shell.

 

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Do I now have everyone's confirmation for this final round? I just loaded up 300 rounds so I sure hope you don't see anything else I might have missed. Plus not one creased round.

 

TM

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The top groove is called a crimp groove, since it has a different shape of groove than a lube groove.  But the ammo looks great.  To hijack a publishers' slogan - "If it feeds, it leads."

 

You don't need our approval.  Hope that's not what you were looking for when you asked for "help"

 

good luck, GJ

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10 minutes ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said:

The top groove is called a crimp groove, since it has a different shape of groove than a lube groove.  But the ammo looks great.  To hijack a publishers' slogan - "If it feeds, it leads."

 

You don't need our approval.  Hope that's not what you were looking for when you asked for "help"

 

good luck, GJ

Not really approval but just a confirmation that I was on the right track and doing it correctly. The main thing I got out of this was that the crimp wasn't where it should be after the cleaning and resetting everything back up to get rid of the creases. I appreciate all the input I get here from all the years of experience. 

 

Thanks

 

TM

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Ya done good, Grasshopper!

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50 minutes ago, Griff said:

Ya done good, Grasshopper!

Thanks dad. LOL

 

TM

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3 hours ago, Texas Maverick said:

Thanks for all the input. I did converse with Shotgun Boogie to get his input on the OAL and he said not to get below 1.44 and since I have shot my 1.45 rounds for years without any issue I am staying at that length. I checked the bullet with a loaded one and the crimp is right at the top of the crimp groove.

See picture.

image.thumb.jpeg.f467b37180781d9ed9c4500cdbaff2bf.jpeg

 

Here is the final product after putting more crimp on it. I can run my fingernail down the side without it catching on the rim of the shell.

 

image.thumb.jpeg.97b85827c05af101b68a0181c0a866ba.jpeg

 

image.thumb.jpeg.63e37684ec93f0595a207072a3d5084c.jpeg

 

Do I now have everyone's confirmation for this final round? I just loaded up 300 rounds so I sure hope you don't see anything else I might have missed. Plus not one creased round.

 

TM

Those look GREAT 

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