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8 minutes ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said:

The legend says blue represents births, red is encounters. Some more needs to be explained.

But you see the red surpasses the blue at the top and then drops a bit but is still more.

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I believe "encounters" are all ILLEGALS crossing over the border, of course that's not counting the "getaways", who knows what that number is?

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Just now, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said:

It’s a classic, put apples and oranges in the same chart and you’ve created a statistical lie that people will believe.

Apples being births and oranges meaning illegals, yea that sounds about right. They are as different as apples and oranges for sure! It doesn't change the fact that the numbers are there whatever you want to call them. Statistics are a funny thing.

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3 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

Apples being births and oranges meaning illegals, yea that sounds about right. They are as different as apples and oranges for sure! It doesn't change the fact that the numbers are there whatever you want to call them. Statistics are a funny thing.

People always fall for it.

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Read " The end of the world is just the beginning" it delves into population collapse and demographic shift issues certain people subscribe to. Glean what you will from it. On the surface, it makes sense. There is some liberal dribble about climate change, but more or less about regional disasters (droughts, famine, war, etc) blamed on climate change or war (funny, but it's seldom seems to be about mismanagement of relief aid, or mismanagement of resources, or failure to except sustainable and more efficient agriculture and manufacturing practices). 

Part of this supposed "migration" is intentional due to these perspectives. European countries are apparently doing it because of their aging population and ridiculously low native birth rates don't provide enough for caregivers, and labor. Japan especially.

I figure Biden is striking while the iron is hot and the American people don't realize the real cost of this, so the government can bloat itself even more and welcome in a new voter base. Funny thing, illegals I talk to go on about how ridiculously expensive it is here, that they and their family have to work all the time to make it. With the public assistance, education, healthcare, and now VA care, they get they have no real idea what real Americans have to pay for it, so they can cry me the Rio Grande river. I guess they too will ultimately suffer from a currency that continually loses value (courtesy of multiple trillion-dollar wars and routine trillion-dollar deficits- both effectively having one in the same effect on our buying power). So, they'll have to work constantly to make ends meet, breeding will go out the window, and they'll suffer their own population collapse one day, theoretically.

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A quick search found these links on the Datahazard X feed.
https://www.cbp.gov/document/stats/nationwide-encounters

and

https://wonder.cdc.gov/natality.html

 

As to "Datahazard"

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https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.ama

 

Seems to be a right-wing Kos.

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If the info is correct why is it a problem? Because it’s “right wing”?

 

I have an idea. Encounters are data they know or the number of people they know about. 
This is probably more like the reality. 
 

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22 minutes ago, Pat Riot said:

If the info is correct why is it a problem? Because it’s “right wing”?

 

I have an idea. Encounters are data they know or the number of people they know about. 
This is probably more like the reality. 
 

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For same reason I don't trust Kos on its similar charts on "gun violence."

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29 minutes ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said:

Assuming is what makes the statistical lie work.

So you think that illegals are NOT more in numbers than US natural births because you don't trust this? Where are your statistics about this then? Do you have any or are you just trying to disagree to disagree?

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1 hour ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said:

Are the illegal encounters never counted two or more times. Yeah I don’t trust the stats. There are too many ways to make up that stat and get gullible people to go nuts over them.

 

witness, this thread.

There’s only one way to count illegals and the border patrol had their hands full doing it. The “get aways” aren’t counted because it’s impossible. I believe the numbers are pretty darn close! They know how many are born for sure. Then again what do I know I’m one of those gullible people that just aren’t as smart as you are !:blink:

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Well until you post one of your own I’ll believe this one. It’s easy to disagree with charts when you don’t have anything to compare it to! Cmon let’s see what you got!

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1 minute ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

Well until you post one of your own I’ll believe this one. It’s easy to disagree with charts when you don’t have anything to compare it to! Cmon let’s see what you got!

I agree. 
 

 

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Not sure why some think this is apples and oranges, it's population added to the US through reproduction of US indigenes personnel vs through illegal immigration.  Two different data sets compared in graph form.  The numbers for illegal immigration are pretty consistent with the numbers Myorkas is giving to congress in sworn testimony.  Encounters are tracked by the number of new illegals added to the data base.  Once an illegal has a case number and a hearing date there would be no reason to add him/her again.  Numbers may be off slightly because they were allowing illegals to download an app, answer a few questions and get a case number and hearing date assigned before they entered.  Some may have used the app and then changed their minds and not come.  Probably a statistically insignificant number.  Homeland Security and Border Patrol estimate that by the end of 2024 we will have added over 12 million illegals to the population.  Get aways are, of course, only estimates but 30% of encounters seems to be pretty well accepted.  Unfortunately, most of the get aways are probably criminals that we would not have allowed in anyway.  There is no reason to avoid DHS or Border Patrol right now, they have been ordered by the Whitehouse to let them in.

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On 12/30/2023 at 6:01 AM, Alpo said:

I'm assuming that "encounters" is cops running into illegals.

 

But that's just a guess. You're right, it needs to be explained.

It is not possible to census all of  the people illegally crossing the border, due to avoidance.  So I believe the stat provided is intended to only show the number of illegals actually encountered by the Border Patrol over the months.  It is mainly a trend line, but it also will represent a minimum number who actually were contacted.  The actual illegal population size is therefore greater than what the orange line and metric shows. 

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