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16 hours ago, Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728 said:

How about only first place in category and overall match winners (male/female) at big matches gets a buckle and everyone else gets a certificate or 4H type ribbon?

Folks would get something to take home and would cut down on club expenses and maybe cut down on entry fees.

Just a thought.

I shot a state shoot that only gave buckles for the Men's and Lady's state champ but If you wanted a buckle for winning overall and your category you could pay molly's out of pocket to make you one. That sounds like a fair deal for big matches. Entry fees could be less and if you want a buckle over your certificate you pay for it yourself. 

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8 hours ago, Whip Assalot said:

Because you end up shooting with less experienced shooters.

Because you can then shoot with less experienced shooters

:lol:

 

You really think that the experienced shooters are the younger shooters?

 

Phantom

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19 minutes ago, The Surgeon said:

I shot a state shoot that only gave buckles for the Men's and Lady's state champ but If you wanted a buckle for winning overall and your category you could pay molly's out of pocket to make you one. That sounds like a fair deal for big matches. Entry fees could be less and if you want a buckle over your certificate you pay for it yourself. 

This is common...

 

Phantom

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26 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

:lol:

 

You really think that the experienced shooters are the younger shooters?

 

Phantom

Ha ha...no. That's why.... I don't want the older guys to be able to come down to my age division lol

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14 hours ago, Scarlett said:

Yep. It was her first buckle. She’s been shooting longer than I. That was an eye opener for me. I think we assume “everyone has a buckle” when it is simply not true. 

 

I view the buckles, especially for someone like her, as great advertisement for the sport.

 

Most people, even competitive shooters I know, don't know about SASS. I shot competitively long before I heard of SASS and there was a club just a few miles away at the time (unfortunately the population explosion caused the club to move about 60 minutes further from town).

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OK,  a shooter in Sr. Gunfighter, left handed with blonde hair enters in his catagory pays $120.00 entry fee and wins($), only one entry.  It's all about the Benjamin's,  he paid $120.00, his award cost $40.00, the host club nets $80.00.  It will not stop!!

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13 hours ago, Whip Assalot said:

Ha ha...no. That's why.... I don't want the older guys to be able to come down to my age division lol

Meant inexperienced...

 

You think the older folks are the experienced? Who do you think makes up the majority of new members?

 

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15 hours ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said:

The biggest issue I see is too many cry babies

Soooo...people that have different goals than you are "Cry Babies"?

 

That's...interesting...

 

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On 10/31/2023 at 11:58 AM, Itchy Trigger said:

Trying to understand the categories was by far the most confusing thing about this sport for me

  • You obviously joined after Rank Point Scoring died:D

 

It was by far, to me at least, the most difficult thing to explain to new shooters!

 

Randy

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On 10/31/2023 at 5:34 PM, Tennessee williams said:

I wish somedangedbody would tell Randy St Eagle that.:o

They did, that’s why I shoot Elder Statesman Duelist when available.:rolleyes:

 

Randy

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13 hours ago, Lefty Bob1 said:

OK,  a shooter in Sr. Gunfighter, left handed with blonde hair enters in his catagory pays $120.00 entry fee and wins($), only one entry.  It's all about the Benjamin's,  he paid $120.00, his award cost $40.00, the host club nets $80.00.  It will not stop!!

 Not quite.

 

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13 hours ago, Lefty Bob1 said:

OK,  a shooter in Sr. Gunfighter, left handed with blonde hair enters in his catagory pays $120.00 entry fee and wins($), only one entry.  It's all about the Benjamin's,  he paid $120.00, his award cost $40.00, the host club nets $80.00.  It will not stop!!

The big matches will only have a category if there's 3 in it.

Some local matches will allow one person in a category but I doubt they spend $40.00 for a trophy! The 3 day shoots around here I attend usually have someone make the trophies or they're those cheap ones that cost about $10..00 if that!

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6 hours ago, Texas Jack Black said:

 Not quite.

 

Best Wishes

Seriously - folks are reading these posts and think they are reading opinions based on active/long time SASS involvement...

 

Oy...

 

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6 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

The big matches will only have a category if there's 3 in it.

Some local matches will allow one person in a category but I doubt they spend $40.00 for a trophy! The 3 day shoots around here I attend usually have someone make the trophies or they're those cheap ones that cost about $10..00 if that!

We had at Land Run like...7 in FC Senior and we got bumped down to FC. I have no problem with this and the folks at Land Run felt bad that they had to do it. 

 

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6 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

The big matches will only have a category if there's 3 in it.

Some local matches will allow one person in a category but I doubt they spend $40.00 for a trophy! The 3 day shoots around here I attend usually have someone make the trophies or they're those cheap ones that cost about $10..00 if that!

I don't know if The Tennessee State Championship is classified as a big match but we had 223 shooters this year. We honor all categories listed on our application even if we only have 1 shooter in it. We spend more than $40 on the award, especially if it is an in state shooter. We also have a Banquet included in the shooters fee that cost us more than $40 per shooter and we have a Friday night dinner on the range that is also included in the shooters fee. With 1 shooter in a category we about break even but we still honor a category if it's listed on the application. 

 

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13 minutes ago, Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 said:

I don't know if The Tennessee State Championship is classified as a big match but we had 223 shooters this year. We honor all categories listed on our application even if we only have 1 shooter in it. We spend more than $40 on the award, especially if it is an in state shooter. We also have a Banquet included in the shooters fee that cost us more than $40 per shooter and we have a Friday night dinner on the range that is also included in the shooters fee. With 1 shooter in a category we about break even but we still honor a category if it's listed on the application. 

 

Randy


I’ll add that the awards are always very nice, the dinner on the range includes a huge door prize givaway, and the banquet is one of the very best in SASS!!

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This is just speaking as a former state match director. The current number of categories is a major catch 22. As a lower population state, we rely on outside shooters to be able to add some extra fun things to the event while still breaking even. Awards were always a challenge, trying to find/make decent looking awards that didn't break the bank, while accepting the fact that awards were going to be the largest line item in my budget, followed closely by the banquet. If we had fewer categories, I could charge less and hopefully draw more shooters, but if I did not offer awards for every category someone signs up in, then they won't come. Maybe in higher population areas I wouldn't have to, but here where most clubs are either hanging on by a thread or members are subsidizing the shoot themselves, the "3 or no awards" option does not apply. If we did that, then we might as well put the final nail in the coffin for Nebraska SASS. Not trying to be a downer, but award costs kill smaller clubs, and in this state we probably have under 30 active shooters, less than a lot of clubs.

 

As an example, let's say that 99 people sign up for a shoot, and they fill exactly 3 deep in 33 categories, after awards for place, category champs, and top man and lady, you are looking at 134 awards. Say you can get a decent looking award that doesn't embarrass the club for $10, and that alone is $1340 before taxes or shipping. If you are charging $100/shooter, 14 entries are shot before you can do anything

 

 

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I'm a slow shooter, I don't have a desire to be a state, regional, or world champion cowboy action shooter. I shoot SASS for fun and to socialize with all my pards in CAS. That being said I have no problem shooting against those who have won a belt buckle and shoot competitively and fast, no matter what category they shoot in,

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Since y'all want roll it back to Men, Ladies, and BP, let's bring back rank points.  Raise the PF to 150.  You have to start stages prone under a wagon, jump over fences, and run 50 yds on a stick horse.  Don't forget you have to hit a bullseye with a tomahawk on the clock before you can fire the first gun.   

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1 minute ago, Shawnee Hills said:

Trying to make everyone happy is a fool's errand.  It's simply not possible so might as well have fun with it and do what you want.

Well that's kinda the whole deal with SASS/CAS.

 

Play by the rules and no one should give a darn about how you play or what you value. 

 

Are long awards ceremonies...long? Yes, but no matter how tired I am during the ceremonies, I still get a kick outta seeing folks get an award that brings a big smile to their face. If it means my entry cost me 5 or 10 bucks more...I don't care!

 

And yes all these awards make the job a bit harder for the MD's...but I've been involved with running big matches and when it's all over, we too get big kick outta the smiles of those getting an award in a poorly attended category.

 

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1 minute ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

Well that's kinda the whole deal with SASS/CAS.

 

Play by the rules and no one should give a darn about how you play or what you value. 

I agree completely but there are plenty of folks that seem to have forgotten that.  Certainly, it's human nature to argue for their wants and desires but, good grief, this thread has gotten silly.  The WBAS thread is even worse.

 

My heart goes out to Misty and the rest of the crew back at HQ.  They gotta be sitting around wondering what in tarnation they've gotten themselves into.

 

Like Scarlett Darlin once wrote; BE NICE.  Is it really that hard??

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3 minutes ago, Shawnee Hills said:

I agree completely but there are plenty of folks that seem to have forgotten that.  Certainly, it's human nature to argue for their wants and desires but, good grief, this thread has gotten silly.  The WBAS thread is even worse.

 

My heart goes out to Misty and the rest of the crew back at HQ.  They gotta be sitting around wondering what in tarnation they've gotten themselves into.

 

Like Scarlett Darlin once wrote; BE NICE.  Is it really that hard??

Trust me, nothing has changed over the past 20 years when it comes to communications on the WIRE.

 

Enjoy your game!!!

 

Phantom

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18 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

Enjoy your game!!!

No worries there.  I thoroughly enjoy it and all of the folks that I shoot with.  

 

Be nice if I could say the same about the Wire but keyboard commandos are gonna commando.  That's just the way it is.

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A Cowboy's real life is about:   "Faster Horses, Younger Women, Older Whiskey, More Money."

All of us have been blessed with these words and are trying to live up to the "Cowboy Way."

We could be running around with our tails between our legs wondering "What's The Secret Of Life"?

Well in my life, when I found CAS, I realized now this is something I can relate to.  Being around the same kind of folks who enjoy the Old West and "Play Cowboy" was great.

28 years in CAS and still playing Cowboy.

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12 hours ago, Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728 said:

A Cowboy's real life is about:   "Faster Horses, Younger Women, Older Whiskey, More Money."

All of us have been blessed with these words and are trying to live up to the "Cowboy Way."

We could be running around with our tails between our legs wondering "What's The Secret Of Life"?

Well in my life, when I found CAS, I realized now this is something I can relate to.  Being around the same kind of folks who enjoy the Old West and "Play Cowboy" was great.

28 years in CAS and still playing Cowboy.

  It  sure has turned into  a long enjoyable  time.

 

Best Wishes

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