Cholla Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Has anyone done an actual comparison of the Taylor Comanchero vs a 73 tuned by Shotgun Boogie or other expert gunsmith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 I cannot give you a distinct blow by blow comparo between the above - but I can share general opinions of gunsmith tuned vs. factory tuned. The biggest difference is the polishing and fitting of of parts and the interaction thereof. Spring are springs are springs - but without the dedicated and KNOWLEDGEABLE application of tuning and fitting; just "smoothing" and adding lightened springs doesn't provide a tuned gun. Gunsmith tuning includes timing, fitment and an understanding of how these modifications interact not just today but over 1000's of rounds. And the gunsmith will provide an indepth examination of the SPECIFIC firearm sitting in front of them with focused attention on what that SPECIFIC firearm requires. And the reality is the factory just will not provide the time, training and attention to evaluate each firearm individually vs. a one size fits all methodology i.e. "polish this, add some springs". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 I have a Taylor’s Comanchero that I bought 4 years ago, factory tuned. It’s actually a cut and weld. I had feeding problems and sent it back. I even talked to the gunsmith. They sent it back, nothing changed. I finally had a gunsmith here install a short stroke kit and a new lever. It’s fine now. I wouldn’t recommend a factory tuned anything from Taylor’s. I’d suggest to buy one stock and go from there. I’ve heard good things about Shotgun Boogie but I have no experience with him, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rider Rudy Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 I have a Taylor’s Comanchero that I bought 12 years ago. Mine is not a cut and weld gun. All I have done is changed out one worn spring, and this was just last year. Mine has run great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major BS Walker Regulator Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 The Comanchero and the Taylor's tuned are two different rifles. The Comanchero's is done outside of Taylor's by Cody Cloniger and sold by Taylor's. The Taylor's tuned is just polished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted October 30, 2023 Author Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Major BS Walker Regulator said: The Comanchero and the Taylor's tuned are two different rifles. The Comanchero's is done outside of Taylor's by Cody Cloniger and sold by Taylor's. The Taylor's tuned is just polished. I assume you mean Conagher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 7 hours ago, Major BS Walker Regulator said: The Comanchero and the Taylor's tuned are two different rifles. The Comanchero's is done outside of Taylor's by Cody Cloniger and sold by Taylor's. The Taylor's tuned is just polished. The Commachero is a cut and weld though, it’s not a true short stroke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Shooter Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 I've got a Comanchero in 45 that I've shot for 5 years now...no issues at all and runs great. Taylor's has always had fantastic customer support. I would think that a good gunsmith could do even more to improve them but for me it works fine as is. No signs of a cut and weld on my particular rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall John Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 I recently bought a 20" pistol grip, .357 Taylor-Tuned '73 and just bought an 18", pistol-grip .357 Comanchero model (what I really wanted). Out of the box they are both as smooth as my Mirakou Winchester that was tuned by a smith and run by a world-class SASS member. The Comanchero model is short-stroked and includes both a leather lever wrap and buttstock cover. Before purchasing them, I did the math and found that it would be/was much less expensive to buy a new Comanchero, OR a "race-ready" tuned firearm from one of our Sponsors like LongHunter or Ken Griner, than it is to buy an over-the-counter stock rifle and then send it off to a gunsmith. ($400+++ in parts, tax, shipping both ways, etc). Ultimately, I was able to buy the Comanchero off of GunBroker at a lower delivered price than to purchase one from one of our sponsors Smiths. I'm keeping the Comanchero and have subsequently put the 20" Taylor Tuned model up for sale in the SASS Classifieds. @ $1300 its much less than I paid, but about what I will get from an FFL to list/sell it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 4 hours ago, Tall John said: I recently bought a 20" pistol grip, .357 Taylor-Tuned '73 and just bought an 18", pistol-grip .357 Comanchero model (what I really wanted). Out of the box they are both as smooth as my Mirakou Winchester that was tuned by a smith and run by a world-class SASS member. The Comanchero model is short-stroked and includes both a leather lever wrap and buttstock cover. Before purchasing them, I did the math and found that it would be/was much less expensive to buy a new Comanchero, OR a "race-ready" tuned firearm from one of our Sponsors like LongHunter or Ken Griner, than it is to buy an over-the-counter stock rifle and then send it off to a gunsmith. ($400+++ in parts, tax, shipping both ways, etc). Ultimately, I was able to buy the Comanchero off of GunBroker at a lower delivered price than to purchase one from one of our sponsors Smiths. I'm keeping the Comanchero and have subsequently put the 20" Taylor Tuned model up for sale in the SASS Classifieds. @ $1300 its much less than I paid, but about what I will get from an FFL to list/sell it for me. The Commachero is not a true short stroke it may feel like it but it’s a “cut and weld” unless they’ve changed it. I bought mine about 4-5 yrs ago. I had a ton of feeding problems and sent it back and nothing was done! I would up replacing the lever and had an actual short stroke kit installed. I got the SS from Cowboys and Indians store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stump Water Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 13 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: The Commachero is a cut and weld though, it’s not a true short stroke. Perhaps not "true", but that was the original modification that "short stroked" a '73. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, Stump Water said: Perhaps not "true", but that was the original modification that "short stroked" a '73. Are you sure? I do believe the short stroke kits came first, Remember there was 1st,2nd,3rd and 4th generation kits. They go way back. I do believe the “cut and weld “ was a Cody Conagher invention that came much later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted October 31, 2023 Author Share Posted October 31, 2023 I tried calling Cody to find out his take on this but he is out until November 6th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 My understanding is the C&W was the first method to shorten the stroke of the 73. Obsolete method today. Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Stump Water said: Perhaps not "true", but that was the original modification that "short stroked" a '73. 40 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: My understanding is the C&W was the first method to shorten the stroke of the 73. Obsolete method today. Phantom I stand corrected! Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Phantom's recollection is the same as mine... from much earlier, like the early 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skullbone Willie Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I have 2, a 38 and 45. In my opinion they are fantastic, never had any problems. I’ve laid a short stroked 73 on top of mine and there’s almost no difference in the stroke length, Taylor might be a 1/8” longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stump Water Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 16 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: I do believe the “cut and weld “ was a Cody Conagher invention... In collaboration with Lone Dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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