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You have 5 minutes - you get to implement or discard ONE rule, situation or aspect of SASS.

But your decree must be explained (with reason why); rules created (if needed), logistics figured out and the memo sent out.  In that 5 minute span.

So no moving SASS HQ.

No rotating National Championship Shoot.

And your rule cannot be to single out one person punitively.

 

What would you do?

And don't worry - Ill start another thread in a day or so that gives you free rein to run wild with BIG ideas.

But today - one quick thing that you would change...  And why...

 

My quick one:

All firearms with a TUBE magazine will be required to have a day glo/ neon colored follower.

This leads to better training for the folks manning the unloading table to require seeing an empty chamber AND verifying the magazine tube as empty.

Much better than the current loading table method of rapidly cycling the lever and "hoping" the magazine is functioning properly.

 

Simple, low cost, easy to implement and police - and addresses a "problem" (magazine hang ups {dirty/ rusty tubes, weak/ broken springs}, rifle over loading {9 round rifle stages}, etc.) that happen often enough and are often not discovered until the next stage or next cleaning.

 

I'm looking forward to your ideas.

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I would probably consider eliminating the penalty for an EMPTY on the carrier   (but not in the chamber).

 

To me, if the lever is OPEN, that empty on a carrier is no greater a safety issue than empties in the revolver.

BUT..... the lever MUST be open if there is an empty in the rifle.

If the lever is closed, it better be empty, period.

This is because if the lever is closed, its closed with a cocked hammer....... which aint good.

 

..........Widder

 

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Do away with “MSV”  either it’s safe or it’s not. 
the violations that are now MSVs should be procedurals. 

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4 hours ago, Creeker, SASS #43022 said:

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This leads to better training for the folks manning the unloading table to require seeing an empty chamber AND verifying the magazine tube as empty.

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At Land Run I had at least three different people at the unload table ask me why I was showing them the bottom of my rifle.  Apparently the word about checking the follower hasn't been totally communicated.

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I would add the NCOWS category of Working Cowboy. All that is required is one pistol and one rifle. 

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Allow 1897 shotguns to be stoked on the clock. The 1897 was invented in 1897 with the intent to load and  hold more shells and shoot faster than a SxS. Allow SxS shotguns to use ejectors.

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1 hour ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

I'd get rid of all the categories!!:P

Actually I would slim down the categories, there's just too darn many! Blackpowder, Duelist, Senior, (starting at 60) Gunfighter, Classic Cowboy. and Cowboy (two handed) Add those in Ladies and Junior as well.

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I would eliminate the category restrictions on adjustable sites on revolvers.  You would be able to use a Ruger Blackhawk in the Duelist and Gunfighter categories and be able to use a Ruger Old Army with adjustable sites in all of the Frontier Cartridge categories.  The adjustable sites don't give any noticeable advantage.

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13 minutes ago, Yul Lose said:

Allow 1897 shotguns to be stoked on the clock. The 1897 was invented in 1897 with the intent to load and  hold more shells and shoot faster than a SxS.

Add the '87 lever SG to that. ;)

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Bring back the other exposed hammer pump shotguns!!

 

If you MUST restrict them, require a copy of a thorough inspection and test firing by by a competent, knowledgeable, professional gunsmith!

 

You could even restrict the ‘93 Winchester to Black Powder Only, since that was the bone of contention for them!

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1 minute ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

Add the '87 lever SG to that. ;)

Yep.

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5 hours ago, Creeker, SASS #43022 said:

 

 

My quick one:

All firearms with a TUBE magazine will be required to have a day glo/ neon colored follower.

This leads to better training for the folks manning the unloading table to require seeing an empty chamber AND verifying the magazine tube as empty.

Much better than the current loading table method of rapidly cycling the lever and "hoping" the magazine is functioning properly.

 

Simple, low cost, easy to implement and police - and addresses a "problem" (magazine hang ups {dirty/ rusty tubes, weak/ broken springs}, rifle over loading {9 round rifle stages}, etc.) that happen often enough and are often not discovered until the next stage or next cleaning.

 

I'm looking forward to your ideas.

I've been Cerakoting 73'/66' followers bright red for some time now in the rifles i do for those same reasons!

 

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Classic Cowboy should be shot with black powder. 

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Marketing, marketing, marketing

We have many talented folks that work hard getting out the message to try SASS, Santee for one.

But I still walk around Tombstone and get asked about my wardrobe and what SASS is all about.

Once we get more exposure and hopefully more interest in the form of new members and sponsors, I would like to re-examine our fee structure to see if it could be modified. We all know this is an expensive form of sport/entertainment. Perhaps member/vendor fees, at that point, could be re-evaluated.

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2 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

Actually I would slim down the categories, there's just too darn many! Blackpowder, Duelist, Senior, (starting at 60) Gunfighter, Classic Cowboy. and Cowboy (two handed) Add those in Ladies and Junior as well.

 

I would get rid of all of the sub-categories. If I remember correctly, EOT had 50+ categories.:(

 

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22 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said:

 

I would get rid of all of the sub-categories. If I remember correctly, EOT had 50+ categories.:(

 

Crazy ain’t it?? At our local shoots we may have 30 shooters in 25 categories! It’s really nuts! Oooh I won Cattle Baron duelist but I was the only one! Big whoopee!:wacko:

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3 hours ago, Yul Lose said:

Allow 1897 shotguns to be stoked on the clock. The 1897 was invented in 1897 with the intent to load and  hold more shells and shoot faster than a SxS.

Sure would like to be able to stoke the 97. I load two one chamber & another stoked. Be nice to stoke two more. Waaa, Haa.

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Bring back Modern... All Rugers and 1897s are Modern.  Any short stroked rifle or pistol is Modern.  Regardless of sight arrangement.  All are "modern" in concept and implementation.

3 hours ago, Yul Lose said:

Allow 1897 shotguns to be stoked on the clock. The 1897 was invented in 1897 with the intent to load and  hold more shells and shoot faster than a SxS.

A fast double shooter would still run thru that many shells quicker.  When I was younger and (gasp!) practiced, even I could.  I'd be close to having six shots downrange before the '97 user was finished loading.

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I would cut the number of categories in half.  Why? Because we give out participation awards.
 

I would eliminate the ‘suggested’ target distances. 

 

I would toughen the footwear requirements because too many people are wearing butt ugly quasi sneakers that definitely didn’t exist in the old west and were never worn in westerns.

 

Anyone who stated ‘they’re just there to have fun’ when discussing competitive shooters would earn a P (j/k, sort of). Why? Because it irks me when non competitive shooters say that.

 

I would remove the statement in the shooters handbook that incorrectly says that the 170 is always in effect. Why? Because it’s not correct.


I would penalize shooters who aggressively question misses with a SOG. Why? Because certain individuals use aggressive behavior to intimidate spotters regularly. Anyone openly questioning a miss, ie stating the call was wrong, would get a P. Why? Because it’s poor sportsmanship.

 

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:PCBB, you get a "Procedural" on this thread.  

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You have 5 minutes - you get to implement or discard ONE rule, situation or aspect of SASS.

You overloaded!  

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14 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said:

I would cut the number of categories in half.  Why? Because we give out participation awards.
 

I would eliminate the ‘suggested’ target distances. 

 

I would toughen the footwear requirements because too many people are wearing butt ugly quasi sneakers that definitely didn’t exist in the old west and were never worn in westerns.

 

Anyone who stated ‘they’re just there to have fun’ when discussing competitive shooters would earn a P (j/k, sort of). Why? Because it irks me when non competitive shooters say that.

 

I would remove the statement in the shooters handbook that incorrectly says that the 170 is always in effect. Why? Because it’s not correct.


I would penalize shooters who aggressively question misses with a SOG. Why? Because certain individuals use aggressive behavior to intimidate spotters regularly. Anyone openly questioning a miss, ie stating the call was wrong, would get a P. Why? Because it’s poor sportsmanship.

 

CBB, hold on to this.

Like I said - in a day or so after this thread has run its course; I plan to do another giving "you" full authority to change anything/ everything  in the game.

 

This one is for ONE simple change, addition/ deletion - that one will allow for complete overhaul or "burn it down and start over".

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1 hour ago, Griff said:

A fast double shooter would still run thru that many shells quicker.  When I was younger and (gasp!) practiced, even I could.  I'd be close to having six shots downrange before the '97 user was finished loading.

I think you accidently left out a couple words... 

A fast double shooter would still run thru that many shells quicker than a slow 97 shooter.  When I was younger and (gasp!) practiced, even I could.  I'd be close to having six shots downrange before the slow '97 user was finished loading.

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Shooter should be able to get more than one Procedural on a stage.  If shooter shoots revolvers out of order and rifle out of order, and specific shotgun order then  3 Procedurals.  Would eliminate a lot of arguing about SOG's.

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There should be open to all ages .22lr categories.

One category that shoots two .22lr revolvers and a .22lr rifle with no shotgun.

and the other category that shoots two .22lr pistols a .22lr rifle and a regular match approved shotgun.

Both categories shoot the same stages as everyone else but they are not eligible to win any overall match titles.

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Escopeta Jake said:

There should be open to all ages .22lr categories.

One category that shoots two .22lr revolvers and a .22lr rifle with no shotgun.

and the other category that shoots two .22lr pistols a .22lr rifle and a regular match approved shotgun.

Both categories shoot the same stages as everyone else but they are not eligible to win any overall match titles.

 

 

 

AWESOME!!!!!

 

more categories...

 

Phantom

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19 minutes ago, Chicken George* said:

I think you accidently left out a couple words... 

A fast double shooter would still run thru that many shells quicker than a slow 97 shooter.  When I was younger and (gasp!) practiced, even I could.  I'd be close to having six shots downrange before the slow '97 user was finished loading.

Nope, I left no words out.  But, I'll admit a fast '97 shooter woulda made it a race.

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5 hours ago, Yul Lose said:

Allow 1897 shotguns to be stoked on the clock. The 1897 was invented in 1897 with the intent to load and  hold more shells and shoot faster than a SxS.

I’m curious what changes in shotgun belts this would prompt. Using a three gun technique four shells could be loaded very quickly if the belt presented them the correct way.

 

I could see double shooters getting left in the dust if the ‘97 shooter had the appropriate rig.

 

 

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