Michigan Slim Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 On 9/3/2023 at 8:38 PM, Warden Callaway said: I didn't say they outlawed them. But they beat them to death. Ralph Nader said late in life, the only regret he had about the Corvair is that he didn't buy a dozen of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 It's just curious - when the MSM reports on Trump and all his alleged transgressions; you guys jump up and down shouting liberal bias and fake news. But let the media make negative claims regarding EV's and suddenly every word is gospel truth; accepted unequivocally - untainted by reporting bias or opinion. Textbook example of confirmation bias being played out in front of our eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Creeker, SASS #43022 said: It's just curious - when the MSM reports on Trump and all his alleged transgressions; you guys jump up and down shouting liberal bias and fake news. But let the media make negative claims regarding EV's and suddenly every word is gospel truth; accepted unequivocally - untainted by reporting bias or opinion. Textbook example of confirmation bias being played out in front of our eyes. You have somewhat of a point there. However, consider this: The Left and the MSM, (but I repeat myself) HATES Trump and everything he stands for. For them, gas at $5.00 a gallon is better than gas at $2.00 a gallon, as long as the "right" people, (them) are in charge. Anything that they say about Trump is to try to sway the sheeple to NOT vote for him, just in case they have to decide the next election based on the votes actually placed. The same Left and the MSM, (but I repeat myself), are trying to push everyone into EVs and the theoretical 15 Minute City. If they are reporting problems with the very thing that they desire, there is a good chance that there is some "there" there. Especially since they have video to back it up. They don't have that for what they're saying about Trump. Think about California last year. Their Governor asked that over a Holiday Weekend, owners not charge their EVs, because the infrastructure couldn't handle it. These same people, the Left and the MSM, (but I repeat myself), are also the people that refuse to allow new electrical power plants to be built so that there WILL be infrastructure to handle the load. They insist that windmill farms and solar panels can generate enough to do so, when so far, at least, they can't. Again, as far as I'm concerned, anybody that wants an EV should be able to have one. Anybody that doesn't shouldn't be forced to get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 5 hours ago, Creeker, SASS #43022 said: It's just curious - when the MSM reports on Trump and all his alleged transgressions; you guys jump up and down shouting liberal bias and fake news. But let the media make negative claims regarding EV's and suddenly every word is gospel truth; accepted unequivocally - untainted by reporting bias or opinion. Textbook example of confirmation bias being played out in front of our eyes. I’m not arguing with your point, but I WILL point out that when something is so bad that there is no way to spin it, even the biggest liars are forced to tell the truth. Given some of the irrefutable evidence of recent days, at least SOME of the truth has to be recognized and reported by those liars! It is eminently undeniable that in every truth there is a bit of a lie and in every lie there is a bit of truth!! If the scab of falsehoods about the perfection of EVs is ever ripped off, there will be a lot of people that will be exposed as the liars that they are and their credibility will be lost forever!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Blackwater 53393 said: falsehoods about the perfection of EVs I don't recall anyone stating EV's were "perfection" - they most certainly are not. They have issues with refueling/ recharge time and the disposal/ recycling of the current battery packs. They lack widespread charging infrastructure and they will have challenges with our current power grid (tho that is more the fault of government bureaucracy than a fault with the vehicles). They are not perfect. But neither are internal combustion vehicles. Heres the difference - Internal combustion has had 100+ years to reach where it is now. 100+ years of incremental improvement, developed infrastructure and basically a monopoly on R&D. Evolution from magneto ignitions, carburetors and side valves to coil on plug, fuel injection, multi cam overhead valves, turbos, supercharging, etc. The electric car is in its infancy (yes, I am well aware that electric cars existed 100 years ago as well - but feasible battery tech did not) - and these infant level electric cars are ALREADY faster than comparable gasoline engines, electric motors are demonstrably more reliable and electric motors require less maintenance. Electric vehicles allow for a diversified path within our own country to create the electricity - not solely reliant on oil that we buy from people who hate us (which in turn finances those who wish harm upon us). That singular reason is enough for me to want an EV. So while EV's are not perfect - they are the future and I would rather deal with the teething pains of tomorrow than clutch at the dying embers of yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Dan Troop 70448 Posted September 8, 2023 Author Share Posted September 8, 2023 One thing to remember about the "Evil Oil". they provide us with the plastic that go into EVs and our everyday needs., from the asphalt used to build roads that EVs and gas driven cars can roll on to medicines to the fuel that makes electricity to power our homes and charge the EVs. As noted in above post "not solely reliant on oil", yes we are reliant on oil. Even if every person on the planet drives an EV in our present and near future. And as posted also, it seems the lack of charging stations is a government infrastructure problem? Why the government? Why if the future is EVs, private entrepreneurs aren't stepping up? Will the increase of EVs here in the US and clean energy improve the planet when our needs in raw material needed to make all the so called clean energy products, from batteries, solar panels, and wind turbines mining and disposals haven't been addressed and maybe a more bigger problem down the road in way of pollution and add to the problems that they are trying to fix or repair into a clean environment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 The US Bank note is based on the concept of the PETRO DOLLAR. Oil from OPEC producers and to a lesser extent worldwide is supposed to only be traded in US currency. Soooo Why is the US government attempting to stop the populace from using oil? Does that make any sense for our economy? Lectric has its place. Long haul is not it. Several states and the Fed have put forward new heavy truck requirements that are undoable with current tech. Sense this does not make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Knees Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 <iframe width="716" height="403" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/a8JrPXvWkW0" title="EV's Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 8 hours ago, Creeker, SASS #43022 said: I would rather deal with the teething pains of tomorrow than clutch at the dying embers of yesterday. Although I cannot agree with the context it is used...I absolutely love this statement. Good one Creeker. Hope you don't mind if I use it for other things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said: Although I cannot agree with the context it is used...I absolutely love this statement. Good one Creeker. Hope you don't mind if I use it for other things! Feel free. As my wife has said when reading my writings (on many subjects), "It is possible that what you are saying is wrong - but dang; you are certainly eloquent when you say it". As for context, if we all agreed upon every point; how much fun would that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Maverick Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 This is what we have to look forward too. More corruption from our politicians. No one knows where the billions of dollars went. https://www.facebook.com/reel/614211010850942 TM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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