Ruger Old Army - 209 Primers

[Griff]

So now the ROA so converted is essentially a cartridge revolver.  No more cap failures or fragments  to contend with.  How many Frontiersmen are on the Rules C ommittee?  Those in possession of ROA (out of production) have a distinct & IMO unfair advantage.  

Edited August 9, 2023 by Griff

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L]

The original mod request came from the U.K.
The primary purpose is to convert ROA revolvers to shooter nitro (smokeless) powder with additional modifications and proof testing due to the fact that cartridge revolvers are NOT ALLOWED in the U.K.

Additional information can be found on the manufacturere's WEBSITE.

 

Also:
Please note we DO NOT TRADE outside of the United Kingdom

[Griff]

Ok, I'll dial back the rhetoric.  But keep it limited to the UK.  To quote someone else:  "Leave Frontiersman alone!"  

[Artemus Von Schutze]

Allow it to be be duelist or gunfighter and then leave Frontiersman alone.

[Cholla]

What's to stop someone from making them on this side of the pond? I suspect many on this board have the skills and tools to make something close.

[Cahawbakid]

I’m with you Griff . This puts things on a slippery slope, I feel.

 

The Ruger OA already had an advantage over the regular folks, now we are in an equipment race

 

”Leave Frontiersman Alone”! 

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L]

IMO

All SHB references to percussion revolvers specify "CAP/CAPS/CAPPED"...NOT "PRIMER/PRIMERS/PRIMED"....so a 209-primed revolver would NOT be allowed in FRONTIERSMAN.

[Hoss]

21 minutes ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said:

IMO

All SHB references to percussion revolvers specify "CAP/CAPS/CAPPED"...NOT "PRIMER/PRIMERS/PRIMED"....so a 209-primed revolver would NOT be allowed in FRONTIERSMAN.

I’m glad to hear that. 

[Griff]

Hopefully, TG's, MD's & RO's will get that word... 

[Smokestack SASS#87384]

Does this rule change apply only to ROAs, or to all cap and ball revolvers? 
 

If an ROA so modified is no longer considered a percussion revolver, what then is it, and where is it allowed to be used? 
 

Will this verbiage be removed from the SHB? 
“- All center-fire or rim-fire ammunition must be designed to package the bullet, gunpowder, and primer into a single metallic case precisely made to fit the firing chamber of the firearm. The primer must be of the type that uses only a small charge of impact sensitive chemical that may be located at the center of the case
head or at its rim.”

[Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329]

I believe it was Noz who was fond of saying...."LEAVE FRONTIERSMAN ALONE!"

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L]

15 hours ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said:

IMO

All SHB references to percussion revolvers specify "CAP/CAPS/CAPPED"...NOT "PRIMER/PRIMERS/PRIMED"....so a 209-primed revolver would NOT be allowed in FRONTIERSMAN.

 

15 hours ago, Hoss said:

I’m glad to hear that. 

 

15 hours ago, Griff said:

Hopefully, TG's, MD's & RO's will get that word... 

 

Please note the "IMO" in that post.

That is NOT an "official" ruling/clarification...it's my personal opinion.

For additional information on revolvers that the company has modified, go to the links provided.

...and, again:

Please note we DO NOT TRADE outside of the United Kingdom

 

[Hoss]

I may be thick in the head, but the statement “we do not trade outside the UK” puzzles me. I take it to mean that this company won’t convert a revolver and ship it to US. Am I reading ghat correctly? 
 

my question for PWB/ROC is if Joe Gunsmith at his kitchen table is able to convert a ROA to work with 209 primers would it be legal for frontiersman, or any SASS category/side match, shooting any  sort of powder? 
 

[Sedalia Dave]

Time to tell your TG to have the rules for Frontiersman updated to make pistols that have been converted to 209 primers illegal for use in the Frontiersman category.

 

 

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L]

15 minutes ago, Hoss said:

I may be thick in the head, but the statement “we do not trade outside the UK” puzzles me. I take it to mean that this company won’t convert a revolver and ship it to US. Am I reading ghat correctly? 

Yes...that is zachary what ghat means.
 

my question for PWB/ROC is if Joe Gunsmith at his kitchen table is able to convert a ROA to work with 209 primers would it be legal for frontiersman, or any SASS category/side match, shooting any  sort of powder? 
 

 

I just sent an email to the ROC as to whether the mod approval should be amended to apply ONLY in the U.K. 

 

Also regarding my opinion as to whether it should be restricted to specific categories.

 

GO TO THE COMPANY WEBSITE and READ what is required to use a modified revolver with nitro/smokeless powder.

 

LOCKING THIS DOWN UNTIL I receive input from the ROC.

[Sedalia Dave]

23 hours ago, Griff said:

Those in possession of ROA (out of production) have a distinct & IMO unfair advantage.  

 

Agreed. 

 

Although I will continue to use mine in Frontiersman till the rules say otherwise.

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L]

1 minute ago, Sedalia Dave said:

Time to tell your TG to have the rules for Frontiersman updated to make pistols that have been converted to 209 primers illegal for use in the Frontiersman category.