Tell Sackett SASS 18436 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 7 hours ago, Tequila Shooter said: The most egregious thing I personally saw was at a major match. Female shooter, walked away from the loading table with loaded pistols holstered, had a clean match going. I pointed it out to her, she said she didn’t realize, never called the penalty on herself, MD was on the posse (and her husband) she went on to get top female shooter. Lost all respect for her and won’t shoot with her or at her club again. There was a shooter at a big match earlier this year who did that. Was NOT happy when called on it and got a stage DQ! Tried to argue he was just going to his cart( which WAS very close to the loading table). But in the end he concurred with the call and went on. Maybe a good reason to leave loaded pistols on the loading table until time to shoot? I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 6 hours ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said: I was pretty new to TO duties, but I felt I was very concientious and thorough, but mostly consistent and fair. I was so taken aback by their taking-over of the stage, I didn't know if they always did this or were just bullying me. I don't think the MD knew about it, but maybe he did. The match director won't know everything going on at the match if the TO or berm marshalls do not communicate what is happening to him. He should have instructed TOs and berm marshalls prior to the match starting to get problems like this posse cleared with him before allowing them to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 "Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat" - Jesse Ventura Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 3 hours ago, Texas Jack Black said: If only a few cheat why two pages of issues? As they say if you see one mouse in the barn how many did you not see. Best Wishes This thread likely contains decades of experience. I can't imagine backing into a TO to "cause" interference. It is things like this which make me think there is an application for video playback. At a non-SASS competition a few months ago, I got called as missing a plate. I really was pretty sure I hit it. But I did not argue the call; I was not anywhere near being a top shooter and it really did not matter. But watching my video later, I hit that plate, no doubt, solid near-center hit on a freshly-painted target . The spotter "thought" the hit was in the next bay, just sounded like it was my shot that hit. When he made the call and explanation, I thought of the SASS rules... It is not a miss unless the spotter knows it is a miss, not if it is thought to be a miss. Anyway, my example is just of a bad call, not cheating. In my limited experience, I simply have not seen cheating. I do not doubt it exists and the stories here suggest the cheaters do get found out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 In almost 15 years of SASS shooting, I’ve never heard of a berm marshal. Other than a number of Land Run matches, I haven’t shot many matches with berms. What are the berm marshals duties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lankyframe #44046 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Was spotting at a match a few years ago. I thought this guy got a P but wanted to check the verbage for the stage cause it was a little confusing. His buddy says you gotta call it right away. I told him I wanted to make sure of the instructions before I penalize someone. He says Nope you gotta call it right away. Next stage he called a P on me which I didn't agree with and luckily no one else did either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 24 minutes ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: In almost 15 years of SASS shooting, I’ve never heard of a berm marshal. Other than a number of Land Run matches, I haven’t shot many matches with berms. What are the berm marshals duties? REF: RO1 pp.29-30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 6 hours ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: In almost 15 years of SASS shooting, I’ve never heard of a berm marshal. Other than a number of Land Run matches, I haven’t shot many matches with berms. What are the berm marshals duties? The match I mentioned was a very large match and berm marshals were used at the time. You're right, don't see em much anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nawlins Kid SASS #36107 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 22 hours ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said: Worked a big match in the SE several years ago and was a Berm Marshal but had TO duties for all of the posses coming through my stage. Had a group come through from a certain state and they informed me that THEY would take care of all the duties for the stage. Yes, there was some observed (by me) improprieties as they shot the stage. There was also a current national champ from Texas with them that would not do any duties... shameful. I still have a sour taste in my mouth for that group; too bad too because there are some really great folks from there. There is the possibility that you meet the shooters that I met, they were from the SE.They used the same instructions that they told you!!!! I learned fast not to rock the boat. One of the "buddies" needed to be replace so they could shoot and another "buddie " was coming up. So I toke the spotter stick.That is when the PM told me that another shooter would spot and I looked at him with a questioning look. The next stage that I shoot I had a malfunctioning revolver. I turned (my better half saw me) made I contact with the TO and said malfunction. I got penalty so when I asked he told me I didn't speak loud enough for his benefit. Nawlins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Badly Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 I call my own misses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 17 hours ago, Texas Jack Black said: If only a few cheat why two pages of issues? As they say if you see one mouse in the barn how many did you not see. Best Wishes 3 pages... headed to 4! Folks love to gossip... especially about other people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Not gossip when it's true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 On 7/31/2023 at 2:20 PM, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: It’s not just the TO. I’ve seen shooters surrounded by spotters who are their friends. They then colluded to undercount misses, or call it clean when clearly there were misses. I wasn’t a spotter so I couldn’t disagree with the calls. Benefit of the doubt can also be abused. Dang. I've got to get some new friends. All my friends just seem to love to call misses on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 1 hour ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said: Dang. I've got to get some new friends. All my friends just seem to love to call misses on me. Pay'em more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jack Black Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 As expected it only took four pages until it turned into nothing more than gossip. Time to have another coffee and do a bit of lawn work Best Wishes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728 Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 Really? It's gossip when folks are describing first hand cheating that they personally witnessed? Getting this problem out in the open might just be what SASS needs to happen so that SASS can see what is going on in their game and maybe take some measures to stop it. First offense, severe reprimand from SASS. Second offense, one year suspension from SASS sanctioned events, ie: state, regional, national, and world. Third offense, lifetime suspension from SASS. And local clubs need to start kicking people in the butt if they catch someone cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 3 hours ago, Texas Jack Black said: As expected it only took four pages until it turned into nothing more than gossip. By my count this is on page THREE. Please surrender the spotter stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jack Black Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 8 hours ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: By my count this is on page THREE. Please surrender the spotter stick. See why I am not allowed to spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nawlins Kid SASS #36107 Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 18 hours ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said: Not gossip when it's true I agree not gossip when true. Then again just think if one of the shooters on a "buddy posse "where to win their category at a major match, then we could have maybe 5 pages of gossip. The sad part is there's a "very" small percentage of shooters who want to win at any "cost". What makes it worse is when there is a group who makes it easier for someone to win by cheating!!! Nawlins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 The new Preacher in town handed a dollar bill for the bus fair to the Bus Driver. As the Preacher walked towards an empty seat he counted the change the Driver had given him. Driver had given him a nickel too much. “It’s not much, just a nickel” he thought as he put the change in his pocket. On second thought “no”. Preacher walked back up to the Driver, explained the Driver’s error as he returned the nickel. Driver “Yea I know I gave you too much. Just wanted to see what the new preacher would do.” Preacher realized he came that close to losing his entire ministry. Recon’ing cheaters never had a “ministry” to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Maverick Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 On 8/2/2023 at 12:30 PM, Badlands Bob #61228 said: Dang. I've got to get some new friends. All my friends just seem to love to call misses on me. and yell run, run to you when moving between positions. LOL TM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Maverick Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 21 hours ago, Texas Maverick said: and yell run, run to you when moving between positions. LOL TM or yelling up on the SG targets even though they are down. LOL TM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missouri Ruffian Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Mathew Duncan, thanks for posting that “story.” It made it worth the time reading this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Knees Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 On 8/2/2023 at 8:40 PM, Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728 said: Really? It's gossip when folks are describing first hand cheating that they personally witnessed? Getting this problem out in the open might just be what SASS needs to happen so that SASS can see what is going on in their game and maybe take some measures to stop it. First offense, severe reprimand from SASS. Second offense, one year suspension from SASS sanctioned events, ie: state, regional, national, and world. Third offense, lifetime suspension from SASS. And local clubs need to start kicking people in the butt if they catch someone cheating. SASS is you and me and our respective clubs. Don't expect Misty to saddle up and head to your match to adjudicate the dispute. You catch 'em, you gut and clean them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jack Black Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 More cheating stories needed we are almost at the four pages I need to be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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