Irishpete Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 I remade this pooler and Jones style belt I found. It was horribly moldy and stank, so didn’t feel too bad about remaking it. But the sass shooters hand book says a loop may be made out of metal but do these brass count as a loop. Had a couple of questions on it at the match yesterday. Thanks for your time, Irish Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jack Black Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 This will be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying W Ramrod Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 The SHB, pg 3, states: "Cartridge loops must not have a metal or plastic liner. However, the entire loop may be made of metal." There is no definition of "Loop" in the SBH. By the photo, this belt appears to be legal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 For those with poor eyesight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 I think it is legal and style points out the wazoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Would certainly think it would meet the spirit of the rule, being all metal. Essentially a split loop. good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 I see nothing wrong with it. And I just went through the rules for every instance of "shotgun." Want devils advocate? Your loops are not closed loops. I am enough of a metal worker to make closed loops work just as well as what you built. If we were to shoot on the same posse, the worst you might expect from me is to ask for a closer look at your workmanship. It looks nice and might give me ideas for style points. On edit: I also searched on the words "loop," circle, "complete," and "closed." I also see no need for clarification from a rules committee. I also found a previous thread discussing the prohibition on combat reload gear, and that does not seem to apply to this question at all. Why did I look? Not to ding you, I like what you did and am filing it away for the future. That is why I would like a closer look at your work.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 That's a really cool looking old shotgun belt and probably more period correct than what most of us are using. As for legality, I'll defer to the SASS lawyers for that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Rick Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 It's legal. See post 8 of this thread. Antique Pooler & Jones Shotgun Belt Restoration From The 1800's Also... Home made shotgun belt-pic heavy Pooler & Jones Shotshell Belt Restoration John Slaughter Style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 23 minutes ago, Chief Rick said: It's legal. See post 8 of this thread. Antique Pooler & Jones Shotgun Belt Restoration From The 1800's Also... Home made shotgun belt-pic heavy Pooler & Jones Shotshell Belt Restoration John Slaughter Style Case closed on first link, PWB already spoke there. @Irishpete, I would really appreciate more closeup pics of your construction. How did you secure the loops to the leather, and how did you form the loops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 brass is metal , why are we questioning this - it also looks the era , sometimes these rules get abused but in this case its pretty clear - no plastic and no elastic - its metal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rube Burrows Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 I remade one of these also. http://jwheeler331.blogspot.com/2021/10/pooler-jones-boss-shotshell-cartridge.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 NOPE Not legal. Send it to me and I'll give it a loving and caring home. It is perfectly legal and period correct. Great find. I would love to have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Spade Mikey Wilson Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 First off that is really cool and a tribute to your building skills! Secondly brass is a metal so I'd say this is case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Gun Jimmy Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 I understand rules...which I believe it's been established that this is completely inside. But not sure I care either way, this thing is so damn COOL!!!! If you get grief I will start a petition to get this to classify under special circumstance for "style points override all" How are they attached to the belt? I may need to also have one of these one day...like yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 Lunger Dan builds SG belts like this too, does great work too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 But are they too tight for all brass shells? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 3 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: But are they too tight for all brass shells? All brass are the same outer diameter as plastic hulls, otherwise they wouldn't fit in the shotgun chambers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oak Ridge Regulator Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 Triple + on style points that thing is just plain cool, nice job on the restoration, you should find someone to take a real tin type photo of you with your guns and that belt loaded up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said: All brass are the same outer diameter as plastic hulls, otherwise they wouldn't fit in the shotgun chambers. Uhm... You'd think that. But it's not quite true. I have a single loop 12 gauge belt that AA's slide right into with little to no resistance. But the Magtech all brass shells are are tight fit, and the Rocky Mountain Cartridge ones are VERY tight. But all three types fit in my the chambers of my guns just fine. So, I've put the RMC's in the loops to stretch them a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728 Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 I don't know, could be the top 10 best shooters in SASS might think this is the ultimate "gamer" shotgun belt to help them win the next big match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shoer 27979 Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 Where could you find some brass shotshell holders like those ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, The Shoer 27979 said: Where could you find some brass shotshell holders like those ? PM Lunger Dan, IIRC, he made his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shoer 27979 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 55 minutes ago, Yul Lose said: PM Lunger Dan, IIRC, he made his own. Thank Yul, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howlin Mad Murdock SASS #4037 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 It's called a thimble belt, 100% legal, 100% period correct. My good pard Castalia made some reproduction thimbles back in the 90's. I put them on a belt, went to EOT walked up to Tex and the Judge, asked them how they liked my belt, they thought it was great. If you look real close, Sheriff John Slaughter is wearing one in the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 if the top shooters find this as an advantage i want to see them use it and prove it , i see this as a cool factor not an advantage for anyone that might choose to soot with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunger Dan Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 I didnt have any actual original brass carriers to go by-I just used pictures of the old belt advert from the period.. A vice, a BFH, minitorch, correct size socket to use as a form, a flat pattern I made that could be cut out of the brass then beaten into submission and finally aged with some heat and vinegar. I use them on a bandolier...the thing I like is you can squeeze or loosen them to be as tight or loose as you want. I just made it for me @ 2 years ago-I dont make any to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shoer 27979 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 7 hours ago, Lunger Dan said: I didnt have any actual original brass carriers to go by-I just used pictures of the old belt advert from the period.. A vice, a BFH, minitorch, correct size socket to use as a form, a flat pattern I made that could be cut out of the brass then beaten into submission and finally aged with some heat and vinegar. I use them on a bandolier...the thing I like is you can squeeze or loosen them to be as tight or loose as you want. I just made it for me @ 2 years ago-I dont make any to sell. What gage brass did you use ? We just moved so all my tools are all over a storage unit waiting to be organized, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunger Dan Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Shoer 27979 said: What gage brass did you use ? We just moved so all my tools are all over a storage unit waiting to be organized, lol I dont know ..threw the package away..it was the stuff they have in Hobby Lobby...I measure it at @ .15-.16 inches thick After cutting out the brass from the template, I beat/squeeze the brass through the vice using a socket as a form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shoer 27979 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Lunger Dan said: I dont know ..threw the package away..it was the stuff they have in Hobby Lobby...I measure it at @ .15-.16 inches thick After cutting out the brass from the template, I beat/squeeze the brass through the vice using a socket as a form Cool, it will be a while before I do any but if I have any question I will send you a pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shoer 27979 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 hour ago, The Shoer 27979 said: Cool, it will be a while before I do any but if I have any question I will send you a pm Curiosity question who or how many of you would want some of these brass shotshell holders ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthwestShooter Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 hey, can you make one for me? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 That's a damn cool shotty belt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapshot Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 So how would they attach to the belt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Driver Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 Just let me know when you start taking orders for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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