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Just watched a bit of Tucker and the gun control crowd are really pushing for us to be like Scotland and Australia. They claim there are 4,000,000 guns in the US. Actually there are 4,000,077.

 

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4 minutes ago, Fallon Kid said:

Just watched a bit of Tucker and the gun control crowd are really pushing for us to be like Scotland and Australia. They claim there are 4,000,000 guns in the US. Actually there are 4,000,077.

 

 

   ...... just goes to show that they can't get even the simplest facts straight    :mellow:

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I know they don’t have a clue. I remember last year some nut job shot up a place and when they checked his house, they claimed it a literal armory. He had 7 guns in his house. Can you imagine someone having that many guns? LOL

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I'm curious how they would know there are 4 million guns in this country, and I'm even more curious how you would know that there are 4 million and 77?

 

Guns have been in this country for over 500 years. Nobody has any idea how many guns are in this country.

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Just a bit a humor on my part Alpo. I can say I have more than one gun. Counting the requirements for Cowboy. Wild bunch. side matches. Long Range. Special optional matches. It does add up

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They should do a little more actual research!

 

Conservative estimates say 400,000,000 guns!  That’s FOUR HUNDRED MILLION guns.  NOT four million!

 

Having spoken to friends from both of the countries cited, I can assure them that they have no idea of actual crime statistics for those places.  There is as much or more violent crime in those and other countries that have no Second Amendment!  It just isn’t cataloged or reported the same way!!  AND  the crminals there still have guns because THE CRIMINALS DON’T OBEY THE LAWS THERE EITHER!!!

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Howdy,

I was told by someone much older and wiser.....The gun grabbers just make up stuff out of thin air.

I was concerned about stories being used against gun owners.

They gun grabbers  have their mind made up and dont want to be confused with any facts.

Best

CR

 

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What no one realizes is there are many more guns in Australia today than before the “buy back”.   They are just owned by fewer people and each person owns more.   The only confiscated 400,000 ish out of something like 3.5 million if I remember correctly.  It’s easy enough to look up if you want exact numbers. 

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When the gun control crowd controls scum and criminals as they should be controlled and upholds the Constitution as they swore they would…what am I saying? We can’t become a progressive (Commie socialist) country following that old piece of paper…

 

Never mind…

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3 hours ago, Alpo said:

I'm curious how they would know there are 4 million guns in this country, and I'm even more curious how you would know that there are 4 million and 77?

 

Guns have been in this country for over 500 years. Nobody has any idea how many guns are in this country.

to be sure , and a lot of folks not willing to give them up , its not the guns that are the problem - its those that are shooting them in these situations - most every one has a mentak problem , i wonder if we might look at our education system and other places as to why we have so many with mental issues ? 

 

i want to ban those folks and forget about the guns that cant act without them , 

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If anyone thinks all the shootings and Train derailments are a coincidence , They are part of the problem in America  ! 

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They were discussing tonight, on Fox, how likely it would be that, considering the number of gun owners in the United States, how possible would it actually be to take our firearms away from us. They were wondering how many people it would take, and also, what particular group would make the attempt. Some said a combination of military, and law enforcement.

One guest stated an attempt could spark another civil war.  

I must admit, I am not sure how they would accomplish this.

I doubt if a decree went forth for a voluntary firearm turn in, would work very well, or be much of a success...among the sane, anyway. 

I am sure they are considering a lot of possibilities.

The Hank Williams Jr's song, A Country Boy Can Survive, comes to mind...and the part of that song that says: "we're them old boys raised on shotguns", comes to mind, as well.  

What also comes to mind is the 1831 Gonzales, Texas flag, that stated: Come And Take It 

It should be interesting. 

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Question is, how many drug gangs and criminals would turn their firearms in and who would follow up in disarming them? 

Then there would be no further need for Politicians to have personal protection if all the law abiding citizens did turn them over. Right?

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5 hours ago, Waxahachie Kid #17017 L said:

They were discussing tonight, on Fox, how likely it would be that, considering the number of gun owners in the United States, how possible would it actually be to take our firearms away from us. They were wondering how many people it would take, and also, what particular group would make the attempt. Some said a combination of military, and law enforcement.

One guest stated an attempt could spark another civil war.  

I must admit, I am not sure how they would accomplish this.

I doubt if a decree went forth for a voluntary firearm turn in, would work very well, or be much of a success...among the sane, anyway. 

I am sure they are considering a lot of possibilities.

The Hank Williams Jr's song, A Country Boy Can Survive, comes to mind...and the part of that song that says: "we're them old boys raised on shotguns", comes to mind, as well.  

What also comes to mind is the 1831 Gonzales, Texas flag, that stated: Come And Take It 

It should be interesting. 

 

Que up the UN blue hats...

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Who's gonna confiscate the guns? Our friends and relatives who are military and law enforcement? It'll never happen anyway this is just talking points for votes from the anti-gun crowd! :angry:

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I just sent this off to the local paper.  I doubt it will be printed.

 

Dear Editor,

 
Once again an insane person plans murder and specifically targets a gun free zone with no security.
Instantly the press, including this publication, blamed the NRA, the 100,000,000 gun owners who have not murdered anyone, the GOP, everyone they could think of except the criminal who both lied on the 4473 (which would include the background check) and was protected by patient privacy laws.
Then, not quite as fast, opinion pieces started coming out in the press, talk shows, and advocacy groups, that cast the murderer as the victim and those murdered as the real criminal.
The gun is not to blame.
The type of gun is not to blame.
Access to guns is not to blame.
The NRA is not to blame.
The GOP is not to blame.
100,000,000 gun owners are not to blame.
Blame rests on the murderer and nowhere else.

Cordially,
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33 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

Who's gonna confiscate the guns? Our friends and relatives who are military and law enforcement? It'll never happen anyway this is just talking points for votes from the anti-gun crowd! :angry:

 

The left would LOVE to see law enforcement (left hates LE) pitted against gun owners (also hated by the left) in door to door attempts at confiscation.

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3 minutes ago, Dantankerous said:

 

The left would LOVE to see law enforcement (left hates LE) pitted against gun owners (also hated by the left) in door to door attempts at confiscation.

 

Picture a few thousand Ruby Ridge/ Waco Branch Davidian incidents over a few day's time, as the confiscators encounter the "from my cold dead hands" folks.  What could go wrong?

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6 minutes ago, J-BAR #18287 said:

 

Picture a few thousand Ruby Ridge/ Waco Branch Davidian incidents over a few day's time, as the confiscators encounter the "from my cold dead hands" folks.  What could go wrong?

 

I don't see a few thousand. I see about 10 before (unless UN troops ARE involved) that BS comes to a screeching halt.

 

The left wants casualties on both sides. LE and freemen do not.

 

That said, the last psycho wannabee ATF director would have had no problem killing honest Americans.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Dantankerous said:

 

The left would LOVE to see law enforcement (left hates LE) pitted against gun owners (also hated by the left) in door to door attempts at confiscation.

 

Our Left Wing party here in Canada, the NDP, (New Democratic Party) may hate our LEOs even more. We have the leader  of the party, Marit Stiles, calling for the slashing of police budgets and defunding, saying the need for police officers on the street is "Out of touch".  

I wonder what would happen if they got what they are asking for?

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29 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

Blame rests on the murderer and nowhere else.

 

 

True.  But any school system that operates without adequate internal and external security is criminally negligent.  Parents who send their children to schools that don't have adequate security are stupid.

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I am about half way through an interesting read.   The book is “on killing”.  It is about the psychology of what it takes for soldiers and police to kill in the line of duty.  Turns out historically only 20-30% of soldiers do any killing.  Most won’t.  I have not finished it, but it alludes to how this has changed do to training, making police and military more effective, but also changing how people can do spree shootings.  

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I'm thinking you don't want to be a confiscator on day two.:ph34r:

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11 hours ago, Alpo said:

 

 

Guns have been in this country for over 500 years. Nobody has any idea how many guns are in this country.

And we need to keep it that way. It’s something nobody needs to know 

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5 minutes ago, J-BAR #18287 said:

 

True.  But any school system that operates without adequate internal and external security is criminally negligent.  Parents who send their children to schools that don't have adequate security are stupid.

 

I see where your point, but I can't bring myself to agree about criminal liability.  That's like saying that if you don't have a heavy duty security screen door with deadbolts, and multiple deadbolts on all exterior doors, and bars on your windows you're criminally negligent if someone breaks into your house.   

 

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Still hand Bill said:

I am about half way through an interesting read.   The book is “on killing”.  It is about the psychology of what it takes for soldiers and police to kill in the line of duty.  Turns out historically only 20-30% of soldiers do any killing.  Most won’t.  I have not finished it, but it alludes to how this has changed do to training, making police and military more effective, but also changing how people can do spree shootings.  

Dave Grossman has some great information. He explains allot about human behavior and it’s from real world experiences 

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30 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

I see where your point, but I can't bring myself to agree about criminal liability.  That's like saying that if you don't have a heavy duty security screen door with deadbolts, and multiple deadbolts on all exterior doors, and bars on your windows you're criminally negligent if someone breaks into your house.   

 

 

 

 

 

I am not accepting money (taxes or private tuition) to protect others while they are in my house.  I accept the responsibility for protecting myself and my family. that's the difference.

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12 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

I see where your point, but I can't bring myself to agree about criminal liability.  That's like saying that if you don't have a heavy duty security screen door with deadbolts, and multiple deadbolts on all exterior doors, and bars on your windows you're criminally negligent if someone breaks into your house.   

 

 

 

 

I tend to agree with him, we give unlimited funds to the Middle East and now Ukraine, waste millions daily on all kinds of asinine programs, but yet neglect to protect our children. We protect our political class and government buildings with armed security and by making them hard targets. Private institutions protect our money doing the same thing. 
Yet our government weakens the security in a school and encourages attackers by making it a “gun free zone” then refuses to put In security using the lame excuse that they don’t want to turn our schools into prisons. Yet the government officials don’t have a problem with doing that where they work and live. And I’m guessing since they choose to live there. “And they are unfortunately the ruling class”, they don’t fell like it’s a prison. They continually ignore warning signs from mentally ill people, release dangerous people from prison and then turn around and tell the law abiding citizens that we will only be safe if we are disarmed and not allowed to defend ourselves or the ones we love. None of their laws or policies will do anything to deter the criminals. The people implementing gun free zones and gun laws are at worst just evil and at best ignorant. But either way they are a danger to the law abiding citizens and children of this country. 

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I don't think you are blaming the victim if you criticize the victim for failing to recognize when they are in jeopardy.  Situational awareness is prudent in today's society.

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7 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

I still can't blame the victim for the act of the criminal.

I guess I don’t see the government officials and school administrators that won’t do anything to prevent this from happening as victims. I don’t think he’s taking about the teachers or children “the victims”. The people in charge want this to happen, it’s why they created gun free zones, so they can push their gun control agenda, to them the more people that die the better they like it . They are evil. There’s only one reason to disarm a populace and it’s been played out in many nations in the past. 

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1 hour ago, Subdeacon Joe said:
 
 
I see where your point, but I can't bring myself to agree about criminal liability. That's like saying that if you don't have a heavy duty security screen door with deadbolts, and multiple deadbolts on all exterior doors, and bars on your windows you're criminally negligent if someone breaks into your house.   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
And yet dont some states have safe storage laws that if you are found to have violated you ARE criminally negligent?
 
House gets broken into and YOUR property gets stolen and YOU are liable for the damage done with YOUR gun, and criminally prosecuted?
 
 
 
 
 
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31 minutes ago, Buckshot Bob said:

The people in charge want this to happen, it’s why they created gun free zones, so they can push their gun control agenda, to them the more people that die the better they like it . They are evil.

 

That much I can agree with.  And I can't blame the schools for that.  That's squarely on the shoulders of the politicians.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Texas Joker said:
 
1 hour ago, Subdeacon Joe said:
 
 
I see where your point, but I can't bring myself to agree about criminal liability. That's like saying that if you don't have a heavy duty security screen door with deadbolts, and multiple deadbolts on all exterior doors, and bars on your windows you're criminally negligent if someone breaks into your house.   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
And yet dont some states have safe storage laws that if you are found to have violated you ARE criminally negligent?
 
House gets broken into and YOUR property gets stolen and YOU are liable for the damage done with YOUR gun, and criminally prosecuted?
 
 
 
 
 

 

Which I disagree with and see it as blaming the victim.

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