Trigger Mike Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 I found on the ATF website that this is on their list so I want to make it legal so if I understand the new rule correctly I can remove the arm brace stock and just leave the remaining tube and it is a pistol again. I keep looking for directions on how to remove it but find things from 2014 or about removing a california stock pin. How do I remove the arm brace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 IF it is the SB3 brace , the Adj pin can be over pulled and it will slide off the tube that said the tube is not required for operation , as it is a blowback action , contained in the bolt housing I am not going to say that is enough to get by , as it is readly restorable , if they find the other piece , that you removed Chickasaw Bill thinking this was coming , that is the reason , I do NOT , nor have , I ever owned an AR pistol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted March 24, 2023 Author Share Posted March 24, 2023 I tried to keep pulling but it didn’t budge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 depress the adj lever , where it pivots , you will see a pin that goes in the adj rail give that a pretty good tug , and hold it , then slide it off the back of the tube you have to keep it disengaged to remove CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 IF you have trouble with it , PM me your # I will call and try to help , I am having issues tryig to explain it CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted March 24, 2023 Author Share Posted March 24, 2023 At the time I bought it the atf nominee at that time defined an assault weapon as a semiautomatic other than a 22. I had hoped a 22 version would be ok. I’ve been wrong before and will be again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 said: IF it is the SB3 brace , the Adj pin can be over pulled and it will slide off the tube that said the tube is not required for operation , as it is a blowback action , contained in the bolt housing I am not going to say that is enough to get by , as it is readly restorable , if they find the other piece , that you removed Chickasaw Bill thinking this was coming , that is the reason , I do NOT , nor have , I ever owned an AR pistol Yes, the local shop has been selling a lot of bare tubes that don’t have the holes so it isn’t “readily restorable” to slide the arm clamp on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 On the S&W AR22 , the tube appears to be molded in the recever after reading the doc , several times , I am not sure what to do , in this case the later production AR22s , have a pointed cap about 1 in long , instead of a MTM style tube Chickasaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 My tube is molded on and I slam and slam the brace with the lever depressed but it doesn’t move past the end. I guess plan b is to try and get a barrel length upper receiver and barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 TM you have to over pull the lever and hold it over pulled . to remove it , I am not doing a good job of trying to explain this , on the keyboard the over pull in appox 3/8 over normal operation , CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOLFY Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 trigger mike you wrote you were depressing the lever (u are sposed to do the opposite). stop slamming it and pull the lever & pin down and away from the extension I made you this picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Instead of pressing the stock adjustment lever, lift up on the whole lever, which will allow the locking pin to lift higher. The adjustment locking pin will then clear the end of the tube. The sawzall also works as a last resort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowderRiverCowboy Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 On 3/24/2023 at 5:22 PM, Trigger Mike said: At the time I bought it the atf nominee at that time defined an assault weapon as a semiautomatic other than a 22. I had hoped a 22 version would be ok. I’ve been wrong before and will be again Get this fixed yet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 Not yet. I tried everything but cutting it with a saw. Since I have until may 31 I decided to switch the barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowderRiverCowboy Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 58 minutes ago, Trigger Mike said: Not yet. I tried everything but cutting it with a saw. Since I have until may 31 I decided to switch the barrel. Let do some checking Do some checking on that one for you , Because well I dont trust the feds on this one , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowderRiverCowboy Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Trigger Mike said: Not yet. I tried everything but cutting it with a saw. Since I have until may 31 I decided to switch the barrel. See if you have this roll pin ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.D. Daily Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 On 3/24/2023 at 6:14 PM, Trigger Mike said: My tube is molded on and I slam and slam the brace with the lever depressed but it doesn’t move past the end. I guess plan b is to try and get a barrel length upper receiver and barrel. Sounds like it would be easier to fill out form. Then send it to the ATF with two fingerprint cards. That won't work if like CA you can't own a NFA item. That is what I would do and wait till just before the the 120 day period expires to mail to the ATF. The reason is because it is highly likely that the ATF will be enjoined from enforcing the rule before the 120 days are up. Eventually it will be permanently bounced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowderRiverCowboy Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 2 hours ago, J.D. Daily said: Sounds like it would be easier to fill out form. Then send it to the ATF with two fingerprint cards. That won't work if like CA you can't own a NFA item. That is what I would do and wait till just before the the 120 day period expires to mail to the ATF. The reason is because it is highly likely that the ATF will be enjoined from enforcing the rule before the 120 days are up. Eventually it will be permanently bounced. Or after 88 days of being submitted it become a Auto DENY , there fore the ATF can and they have already stated they will come door knocking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOLFY Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 post pics, which SB model BRACE is it? what other ARs do you own? does your m&p look like this? Powder River, he doesn’t have that roll pin. If he did, it would prevent all movement (locking his BRACE in the fully open position). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOLFY Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 how to install / remove SBA3 and SBA4 Braces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted March 27, 2023 Author Share Posted March 27, 2023 The ar 22 is different than a normal ar IMG_3662.MOV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted March 27, 2023 Author Share Posted March 27, 2023 I will call s & w tomorrow and ask them. I tried for a SBR once and they claimed a signature that was there was missing. They make it hard on purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 The SBR tax stamp is free for the next couple of months. After that, it goes back to the regular $200. Of course, once you get the NFA tax stamp for the SBR, you can put a regular stock on it and a forward grip and make it REALLY dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOLFY Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 I know the AR 22 is different than an AR. It doesn’t matter cause the SB brace is the same between them. Mike, you’re pulling down the same end of the lever that you adjust from. To remove or install, you’re supposed to pull down at the pin. Almost everyone commenting is telling you the way to remove the brace, but somehow you aren’t getting it. I’ve 3 SB braces here and can remove and replace them in seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOLFY Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Grab it at the X and pull in the direction of the arrow. Edited to add: I’m glad you got it, Trigger Mike. I’m poor at following written instructions… kinda why I posted a video plus images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted March 27, 2023 Author Share Posted March 27, 2023 Ya know , some folks are just slow as turtles in picking up things. Thanks y’all for helping me despite myself. I’m m legal again now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Nichols, SASS #6461 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 You also have to destroy said brace. If they come to your abode and you have the gun and even if the brace is removed they will charge you with " constructive possession". Meaning you have all the parts for a now illegal firearm, and can re-assemble it at any time. Break it in pieces and keep the pieces to show them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOLFY Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 or, you can put the brace onto a rifle… maybe wrap some parachord around your stock extension… so a brace or stock can’t easily be slid into place. This’ll be Wolfy’s plan in May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted March 27, 2023 Author Share Posted March 27, 2023 Evidently my government class missed the other ways laws are changed besides the legislative branch. I fixed it though so it’s not an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOLFY Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 I’m keeping an eye on the courts as well, brother regardless of the BATFE nonsense, I wish my M&P 22 pistol was more like yours… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Dutch Nichols, SASS #6461 said: You also have to destroy said brace. If they come to your abode and you have the gun and even if the brace is removed they will charge you with " constructive possession". Meaning you have all the parts for a now illegal firearm, and can re-assemble it at any time. Break it in pieces and keep the pieces to show them. Or give it to a friend that doesn't have the buffer tube it fits. Owning the brace is not illegal, possessing it on the same property as the pistol makes it intent to build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 You seem to have a bunch of land there. Do you also have a food sealer w/bags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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