Widder, SASS #59054 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Two Hombres are facing off in the street. They are approx 25 feet apart. BOTH are shooting .45 Colt revolvers shooting their 255 grain slugs at 900 fps. BUT, one hombre is slightly faster than the other. How fast does the 2nd shooter need to fire his round to shoot the other shooter before the 1st round fired hits him? In other words, what time sequence between both shots is needed to allow both bullets in flight at the same time? ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. O. R. Vet Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 25 ft divided by 900fts equals 0.0277777778 of second. The second hombre better get his shot off faster than 0.0277777778of a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 If they are 25 ft apart, which is 1/4 of 100 ft, and they are shooting 900 ft per second ammunition, it will take 1/36 of a second for the bullet to travel from shooter A to shooter B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 But my bullet is going 960 Fps.... I know I don't Play fair... Jabez Cowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. O. R. Vet Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 6 hours ago, Alpo said: If they are 25 ft apart, which is 1/4 of 100 ft, and they are shooting 900 ft per second ammunition, it will take 1/36 of a second for the bullet to travel from shooter A to shooter B. That's what I said. 1/36 of a second....wbich is 0.0277777778 of a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 About 1.5 seconds for the shooter #2 to draw, aim and hit shooter #1. Shooter #1 drew too fast and missed shooter #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Shoot first or shoot best? Bullet don't matter if it misses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 2 hours ago, Cypress Sun said: About 1.5 seconds for the shooter #2 to draw, aim and hit shooter #1. Shooter #1 drew too fast and missed shooter #2. Take your time as fast as you can. ( Wyatt Earp said something like that!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 A couple of Wyatt Earp quotes on gunfights https://quotes.thefamouspeople.com/wyatt-earp-3236.php Whatever happens, missing the enemy doesn't help the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Misses still rattle ya, get em ducking ya might have time to adjust and fire for effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 19 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: Take your time as fast as you can. ( Wyatt Earp said something like that!) Festina lente (which the Romans stole from the Greeks: σπεῦδε βραδέως) "Make haste slowly." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Someone, maybe Elmer Keith, said something along the lines of: Get your first shot off fast and make your second shot perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Gun Barney, SASS #2428 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Graveyards are full of "second place". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Have you been hanging around @Alpo again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 1 hour ago, Subdeacon Joe said: Someone, maybe Elmer Keith, said something along the lines of: Get your first shot off fast and make your second shot perfect. I know I've read somewhere that you get the first one off quickly, and the bullet flying at him will startle him - whether it hits him or not - and that allows you to take that little bit of time to aim for the second one so that you hit him. I don't know as I believe that, but I remember reading it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 "Speed's fine. Accuracy is final! There's no second place winner in a gunfight!" - The late, great Bill Jordan, U.S. Marine, Border Patrolman, Law Officer, and probably the fastest double-action .357 Magnum shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 We all know about how beneficial speed can be and that accuracy can be just as beneficial, if not more so. But I was talking about 2 folks, drawing and firing, and what speed would have to incur in order for 2 shots to in flight at the same time..... that the possibility of BOTH participants being shot basically at the same time they fired their pistols. I think some folks above have answered the question. THANKS ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 https://youtu.be/WzHG-ibZaKM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 https://youtu.be/YiHgNXxIcuo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 22 minutes ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said: We all know about how beneficial speed can be and that accuracy can be just as beneficial, if not more so. But I was talking about 2 folks, drawing and firing, and what speed would have to incur in order for 2 shots to in flight at the same time..... that the possibility of BOTH participants being shot basically at the same time they fired their pistols. I think some folks above have answered the question. THANKS ..........Widder I remember seeing a old picture of two bullets, each headed the opposite direction, that had collided mid air. I think it was from the Civil War era and wasn't two pistol rounds that had intersected each other. Have to wonder if anything like that ever happened though in a "gunfight". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Albert Einstein could have calculated it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 4 hours ago, Cypress Sun said: I remember seeing a old picture of two bullets, each headed the opposite direction, that had collided mid air. I think it was from the Civil War era and wasn't two pistol rounds that had intersected each other This is probably the one you're talking about. The one I was thinking about was this one from Gallipoli. But apparently it happens more than you would think. Now some of these are obviously faked, but some appear to be the real deal. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=two+bullets+colliding&t=fpas&iax=images&ia=images Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cypress Sun Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 27 minutes ago, Alpo said: This is probably the one you're talking about. The one I was thinking about was this one from Gallipoli. But apparently it happens more than you would think. Now some of these are obviously faked, but some appear to be the real deal. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=two+bullets+colliding&t=fpas&iax=images&ia=images Actually, I was thinking about both of the pictures shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 No one has figured in reaction times. And I am certainly not going to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 10 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said: Festina lente I had some of that for lunch yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major E A Sterner #12916 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 These didn't collide mid air,look at the 2 bullets, one has rifling on it the other doesn't. Most likely the one hit spare ammo carried by the opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex M Rugers #6621 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 On 3/16/2023 at 10:25 AM, Trailrider #896 said: "Speed's fine. Accuracy is final! There's no second place winner in a gunfight!" - The late, great Bill Jordan, U.S. Marine, Border Patrolman, Law Officer, and probably the fastest double-action .357 Magnum shooter. While I have the utmost respect for Bill Jordan , he was not quite as fast as Ed McGivern or Jerry Miculek. That said , I'm sure he had more exposure to actual gunfights than either of them. Rex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 REX, from what little I've read, I agree with you. And of those 3 you mentioned, Bill would be the one I WOULD NOT want to face off in a gun battle, especially close range. Ed McGivern would be one I wouldn't want to have a shoot out with at long distances. And with Jerry Miculek, I would just let him shoot all his ammo up before I engaged in the battle. Ya see, I don't think JM can fire just 1 round. Once he starts pulling the trigger, he's on auto fire till all the ammo is gone. Then is would be safer to come from behind my rock and fire back..... ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I think Ed McGovern was before my time, and never met JM. But I did meet Bill Jordan, briefly, at a SHOT Show some years ago. A soft-spoken gentleman. There is one story about him that does not involve his speed with a DA sixgun: It seems he was on patrol in El Paso one night, when he spotted a known drug dealer. Bill was in his patrol car, and the pusher spotted him and took off, heading for an opening to an alley. Bill knew if the perpetrator got into that alley and he tried to follow him, he would be backlit by the streetlight. As he exited the patrol car, Bill grabbed his 97 shotgun. He racked the slide and the perp came to a squeeching halt and threw both hands straight up in the air! There are a lot of sounds in this ol' world, but nothing quite like the sound of a 97 being racked in the darkness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Trailrider: something from BEFORE your Time... Really, ... Jabez Cowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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