Buckshot Bear Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 How effective is a silencer on a revolver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Brasse, SASS #3562 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Problem is all the gasses etc that come out at the cylinder gap. The Russians had some Nagant revolvers made with a suppressor. The revolver was a gas-seal type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 I remember reading in Soldier of Fortune about a silenced 44 Magnum that was used by tunnel rats in Vietnam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 27 minutes ago, Earl Brasse, SASS #3562 said: Problem is all the gasses etc that come out at the cylinder gap. The Russians had some Nagant revolvers made with a suppressor. The revolver was a gas-seal type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 It does not suppress the sound to the shooter very much. It does greatly reduce the muzzle flash from a 3" barrel at night. I'm guessing that was the advantage for tunnel rats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Not all that much suppression with the Nagant overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Horse Pucky!! The tunnel Rats I knew ALL went down with a 1911 .45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. James H. Callahan Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: Horse Pucky!! The tunnel Rats I knew ALL went down with a 1911 .45 My dad fought in the South Pacific in WWII. About the only use he had for the 1911 was taking to the foxhole at night. According to him a .45 in a hole in the dark was way better than a knife. I think they had an instance or two when a Jap fell in the hole at night. JHC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 "The weapon in the kit was a .38 Special Smith & Wesson Model 10 (M&P) revolver with a 4-inch barrel, a small high-intensity aiming light and a muzzle mounted suppressor. The hip-holster issued with the weapon was very hard to draw from in the tight confines of a tunnel. The revolver was huge with its aiming light and muzzle can. And even with a tight cylinder gap, the suppressor didn’t reduce the sound of the shot enough to be worth the trouble." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 36 minutes ago, sassnetguy50 said: "The weapon in the kit was a .38 Special Smith & Wesson Model 10 (M&P) revolver with a 4-inch barrel, a small high-intensity aiming light and a muzzle mounted suppressor. The hip-holster issued with the weapon was very hard to draw from in the tight confines of a tunnel. The revolver was huge with its aiming light and muzzle can. And even with a tight cylinder gap, the suppressor didn’t reduce the sound of the shot enough to be worth the trouble." Heard of some being tried out over there, but the few men I knew who had actually fired it declared to me a failure. I knew on tunnel rat who dropped around to see us a couple of times. He used a Ruger .22 semi auto with a home made suppressor and said it worked very well for about four shots before it had to be "reloaded". He used kapok from an old sleeping bag to deaden the sound. Most of the people who used any kind of gun in the tunnels began, carried out, and ended every conversation with "HUH?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. James H. Callahan Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 I guess the only time I was around a real suppressed weapon was out at the range one day. This doctor I knew and his daughter were shooting a Ruger 10/22 and a Ruger Mk something .22 pistol. Both had custom suppressed barrels, not some screw in James Bond movie stuff. They sounded like anemic BB guns. You heard a little poof and the action cycle and the bullet hit downrange. Kinda like my crossbow. Not totally silent, but from 20-30 feet away it's pretty close. JHC 2 hours ago, Alpo said: I remember reading in Soldier of Fortune about a silenced 44 Magnum that was used by tunnel rats in Vietnam. That was probably Bravo Sierra. The cylinder gap blast alone is formidable. Tried that once shooting between my legs with a . 357 Mag, not much fun. Also shot a .44 Mag with full house loads in IHMSA. I used to shoot a S&W M-19 2 1/2" .357 Mag in IPSC.Pop off a few hot magnums of whatever caliber thru a revolver in a small enclosed area and it's gonna ring your bell no matter how big cajones you got! JHC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 @Capt. James H. Callahan and @Alpo There was a special project Field and Stream wrote about maybe 10 years ago. The Q__R (quiet something something revolver). It was a model 29 cut down to a snub nose. There was a proprietary 44 shell with multiple balls in it. The shell kept the flash and shell contained. Only a handful were tested in the tunnels. It would drop a person right there at 20 feet but they could limp away at 40 feet, not good outside of the tunnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 That's the gun, but I was sure it had a can on it. Of course, the article was 30 or more years back, so memory screws with you. https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/quiet-special-purpose-revolver-the-tunnel-rats-lost-sidearm/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Capt. James H. Callahan said: My dad fought in the South Pacific in WWII. About the only use he had for the 1911 was taking to the foxhole at night. According to him a .45 in a hole in the dark was way better than a knife. I think they had an instance or two when a Jap fell in the hole at night. JHC Grandpa was on Guadalcanal and said the exact same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.D. Daily Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 At one time the CIA used a silenced Dan Wesson revolver for wet work. The revolver had an extremely tight cylinder to forcing cone gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 9 hours ago, J.D. Daily said: At one time the CIA used a silenced Dan Wesson revolver for wet work. The revolver had an extremely tight cylinder to forcing cone gap. They are adjustable since Dan Wessons have a removable barrel with a separate shroud that goes over it. They came with a feeler gauge to set the gap when swapping barrels. You could easily have the barrel in contact with the cylinder if that's what you want. You might not be able to rotate the cylinder, but it would be a whole lot more sealed than any other revolver except the Nagant. Now, a barrel with an integral suppressor, so you could twist the barrel into contact for firing and back it off to advance to the next chamber with your off hand, would work, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.D. Daily Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 14 hours ago, Smuteye John SASS#24774 said: They are adjustable since Dan Wessons have a removable barrel with a separate shroud that goes over it. They came with a feeler gauge to set the gap when swapping barrels. You could easily have the barrel in contact with the cylinder if that's what you want. You might not be able to rotate the cylinder, but it would be a whole lot more sealed than any other revolver except the Nagant. Now, a barrel with an integral suppressor, so you could twist the barrel into contact for firing and back it off to advance to the next chamber with your off hand, would work, too. Too bad Dan Wesson revolvers are no longer made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 CZ bought the name and was making 357's the last time I looked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 No matter what kind of suppressor you use, if the velocity of the bullet is faster than sound, it won't silence it much. That is why, IIRC, sub-sonic ammo was made for some pistols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Hair, SASS #29557 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Works perfectly in the movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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