Make do Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Well, the problem was - we need more stages written -with the best of intentions, let's get the new guy do it - what could possibly go wrong? So, putting my mind to it I used a mathematical way to solve the problem. First decide how many targets. In my example I used 3. Then decide how many shots in a string I decided on 5. So, I sat down and listed all the possible permutations the numbers 1,2,3 could make (number of targets). Then all the unique 2 number permutations you can make with 1,2,3. You also could use an online number generator. Then I put them in a square and match them up giving me all the possible 5 shot combinations you could make with three targets. The sides are the combinations you can make of 2 and 3 numbers. The groups of 5 are the possible strings some work others don't. You can repeat the 5 or pick a new combination to get to 10 rounds. To make it work, match the top first number with the first number on the side then the second number on the top with the second number on the side and finally the last number on the side. It is a bit like a Punnet Square from high school Biology, 11 12 13 21 22 23 31 32 33 111 11111 11211 11311 2111 21211 21311 31111 31211 31311 112 11112 11212 11312 21112 21212 21312 21112 31212 31312 113 11113 11213 11313 21113 21213 21313 31113 31213 31313 121 11121 11221 11321 21123 21221 21321 31121 31221 31321 122 11122 11222 11322 21122 21222 21322 31122 31222 31322 123 11123 11223 11323 21123 21223 21323 31123 31223 31323 131 11131 11231 11331 21231 12231 21331 31131 31231 31331 132 11132 11232 11332 21132 21332 21332 31132 31232 31332 133 11133 11233 11333 21133 21233 213333 31133 31233 31333 211 12111 12211 12311 22111 22211 22311 32111 32211 32311 212 12112 12212 12312 22112 22212 22312 32112 32212 32312 213 12113 12213 12313 22113 22213 22313 32113 32213 32313 221 12121 12221 12321 22121 22221 22321 32121 32221 32321 222 12122 12222 12322 22122 22222 22322 32122 32222 32322 223 12123 12223 12323 22123 22223 22323 32123 32223 32323 231 12131 12231 12331 22131 22231 22331 32131 32231 32331 232 12132 12232 12332 22132 22232 22332 32132 32232 32332 233 12133 12233 12333 22133 22233 22333 32133 32233 32333 311 13111 13211 13311 23111 23211 23311 33111 33211 33311 312 13112 13212 13312 23112 23212 23312 33112 33212 33312 313 13113 13213 13313 23113 23213 23313 33113 33213 33313 321 13123 13221 13321 23121 23221 23321 33123 33221 33321 322 13122 13222 13322 23122 23222 23322 33122 33222 33322 323 13123 13223 13323 23123 23223 23323 33123 33223 33323 331 13131 13231 13331 23131 23231 23331 33131 33231 33331 332 13132 13232 13332 23132 23232 23332 33132 33232 33332 333 13133 13233 13333 23133 23233 23333 33133 33233 33333 So, there you have it all the possible combinations for 3 targets just pick your favorite. What could go wrong? Things get a little bigger when you switch to 4 or 5 targets. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Dead Ed Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 My math teacherz would be proud of you. do you do power all numbers too? seriously, I’m savin this table. It just might come in handy…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 hours ago, Make do said: Well, the problem was - we need more stages written -with the best of intentions, let's get the new guy do it - what could possibly go wrong? So, putting my mind to it I used a mathematical way to solve the problem. First decide how many targets. In my example I used 3. Then decide how many shots in a string I decided on 5. So, I sat down and listed all the possible permutations the numbers 1,2,3 could make (number of targets). Then all the unique 2 number permutations you can make with 1,2,3. You also could use an online number generator. Then I put them in a square and match them up giving me all the possible 5 shot combinations you could make with three targets. The sides are the combinations you can make of 2 and 3 numbers. The groups of 5 are the possible strings some work others don't. You can repeat the 5 or pick a new combination to get to 10 rounds. To make it work, match the top first number with the first number on the side then the second number on the top with the second number on the side and finally the last number on the side. It is a bit like a Punnet Square from high school Biology, 11 12 13 21 22 23 31 32 33 111 11111 11211 11311 2111 21211 21311 31111 31211 31311 112 11112 11212 11312 21112 21212 21312 21112 31212 31312 113 11113 11213 11313 21113 21213 21313 31113 31213 31313 121 11121 11221 11321 21123 21221 21321 31121 31221 31321 122 11122 11222 11322 21122 21222 21322 31122 31222 31322 123 11123 11223 11323 21123 21223 21323 31123 31223 31323 131 11131 11231 11331 21231 12231 21331 31131 31231 31331 132 11132 11232 11332 21132 21332 21332 31132 31232 31332 133 11133 11233 11333 21133 21233 213333 31133 31233 31333 211 12111 12211 12311 22111 22211 22311 32111 32211 32311 212 12112 12212 12312 22112 22212 22312 32112 32212 32312 213 12113 12213 12313 22113 22213 22313 32113 32213 32313 221 12121 12221 12321 22121 22221 22321 32121 32221 32321 222 12122 12222 12322 22122 22222 22322 32122 32222 32322 223 12123 12223 12323 22123 22223 22323 32123 32223 32323 231 12131 12231 12331 22131 22231 22331 32131 32231 32331 232 12132 12232 12332 22132 22232 22332 32132 32232 32332 233 12133 12233 12333 22133 22233 22333 32133 32233 32333 311 13111 13211 13311 23111 23211 23311 33111 33211 33311 312 13112 13212 13312 23112 23212 23312 33112 33212 33312 313 13113 13213 13313 23113 23213 23313 33113 33213 33313 321 13123 13221 13321 23121 23221 23321 33123 33221 33321 322 13122 13222 13322 23122 23222 23322 33122 33222 33322 323 13123 13223 13323 23123 23223 23323 33123 33223 33323 331 13131 13231 13331 23131 23231 23331 33131 33231 33331 332 13132 13232 13332 23132 23232 23332 33132 33232 33332 333 13133 13233 13333 23133 23233 23333 33133 33233 33333 So, there you have it all the possible combinations for 3 targets just pick your favorite. What could go wrong? Things get a little bigger when you switch to 4 or 5 targets. Nicely done. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradyT88 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Is there any sort of written or maybe unspoken rule about having more targets up than you actually shoot at? Maybe it's just the range I shoot at but if we aren't going to use a target they either lay it down or remove it. If this is common practice then this table could be made smaller by removing all of the ones that do not use all 3 targets. I don't know what normal is. I've only been to a few monthly matches so far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells Comin Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 213333 that would be interesting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Interesting exercise - but a "sweep" should be more than just a random round count on some random targets adding up to ten. Or worse; some random counts equaling five in two differing manners. Sweeps/ sequences should make sense - have a rhythm to theirself that lead the shooter target to target in some sensible manner. Simply placing X number of targets and providing some non linear - non intuitive round count to your shooters is a recipe for frustration and diminishing returns. While I fully agree that there is ZERO need to EVER repeat a sweep/ sequence in a shoot; there must be some discretion exercised in the sweeps/ sequences we do choose. Looking at a laundry list and thinking these are all equally valid choices is not going to go well. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, BradyT88 said: Is there any sort of written or maybe unspoken rule about having more targets up than you actually shoot at? Maybe it's just the range I shoot at but if we aren't going to use a target they either lay it down or remove it. If this is common practice then this table could be made smaller by removing all of the ones that do not use all 3 targets. I don't know what normal is. I've only been to a few monthly matches so far. Generally, if you are having to place steel out for the match and put it away afterwards - most match directors will avoid messing with unused steel. But there is no rule against it. At my old club monthlies; we would shoot on three different bays - two stages on each bay. I would generally set target arrays consisting of three targets, four targets and five targets - giving myself plenty of available variation to work with. And while from time to time - we may shoot a two target sequence on the three plate arrays - ignoring a target. This would only occur because I would (generally) not set two target arrays because of the limitations. I would generally avoid shooting three target sequences on four target arrays or four target sequences on five target arrays - because I figured I already had an array set with the "correct" number of targets if I was dead set on shooting that sequence. But a match director with a wild hair can always pull something weird out of their bag of tricks - but go off trail too far and you risk the wrath of your shooters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 when it gets this complicated - that i gotta think on it so much - im not gonna do it , im too old to care about all these numbers anymore , so far ive not gotten there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Too many numbers swimmin' around that thar. They write the stage, I'll shoot at it, make me thank too much, I'm likely to mess it up, and that's ok. Make too many thank too much, then that should give you pause. It's a game, and meant for enjoyment. Nuf said? Huh? Ok then. Nite all. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jack Black Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 So I wonder, why do you want to spend thousands a year in fees etc. to do math in order to play a cowboy game. SASS is full of OLD timers and making it more complicated shoves shooters away. Just look at the decline .Why add to this. IMHO Best Wishes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 I got a damn headache looking at that! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawdog Dago Dom Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Tell me you are really bored mid-winter without telling me you are really bored mid-winter. Stats like that are always entertaining and make some good conversation/speculation around a campsite at a match. So thank you for that. Only once have I had to retreat into the past(high school) and pull out a math equation to solve a problem (besides the basic square feet, cubic feet calculations). A2 + B2 = C2. The old Pythagorean theorem helped me lay out a baseball diamond about 20 years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 A Glossary of Sweeps Compiled by Crooked River Bob SASS#26199 For consistency, targets will be numbered from left to right. Multiple shots on a single target will be indicated by repeating that target’s number. Items in Bold Text have separate entries Abilene Sweep: Named after Abilene (SASS#27489, TX), who posted it on the SASS Wire. Nine shots on five targets, 1-2-2-3-3-3-2-2-1. This might also be described as a Progressive Nevada Sweep. Amigo’s Sweep: Suggested on the SASS Wire by Wallaby Jack (SASS#44062, NSW, Australia). “…the whole stage is set up with a target array of ONE target.” See also Missouri Sweep and Texas Sweep. Arizona Sweep: From Old Scout (SASS# 323, CA). “Progressively place one more round on each target.” Ten shots on four plates, in the following order: 1-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-4-4. Also known as a Progressive Sweep, and sometimes as a Montana Sweep or a Lawrence Welk Sweep. Arkansas Shuffle: Attributed to West Creek Willie (SASS#33394, IL). Five shots on three targets, engaged as 1-1-2-3-3. Compare to the Idaho Shuffle. Bad Jack Abernathy Sweep: Described on the SASS Wire by A. D. Texaz (SASS#16339, TX). Nine shots on four targets, 1-1-4-2-2-4-3-3-4. Badger Sweep: Attributed to Badger, SASS#3361. See the Cowboy Chronicle, September 2003, page 42. Old Scout (SASS# 323, CA) describes it as “Successive sweeps, firing one less shot on each sweep.” Ten shots on four targets, 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-1-2-1. Also called a Solitaire Sweep. Compare to the Miakka Sweep. Bear Butte Sweep: Dreamed up by Bear Butte SASS #11231. Five shots on 3 targets. 1-1-2-3-1 (see SASS number). Not called anything else! Boss Hayes Sweep: This name was provided by Bird Dawg Dan (SASS#59914, CA). Same as the Poverty Sweep, with ten shots on four targets: 1-2-3-4-2-3-4-3-4-4. Brat Sweep: Mentioned on the SASS Wire by Penny Wrangler (SASS#50750, UT). Five shots on three targets, 1-3-2-3-1. In a later post, Moe Greens (SASS#53755, UT) indicated the Brat Sweep “…goes 1-3-2-3- 1, or 3-1-2-1-3.” Either way, it’s another variation of Five on Three. Cactus Buck Sweep: Submitted to the SASS Wire by A. D. Texaz (SASS#16339, TX). Ten shots on four targets. 1-1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-4. Same as the Palindrome Sweep. Cajon Sweep: From Old Scout (SASS# 323, CA). Five consecutive shots on a single target, 1-1-1-1-1. Cowboy action shooters in general have a lot of fun with this one, and it is humorously known by a variety of names in various parts of the country. For example, Mustang Gregg (SASS#38345, NE) and Cuts Crooked (SASS#36914, “Midwest”) called it the Nebraska Sweep, while Curly McCrae (SASS#27784, MI) called it a California Sweep. R.B. Rooson (SASS#16974, TX) called it the Paradise Pistolero Sweep. Johnny the Kid (SASS#22917, FL) identified it as the Hatbill Sweep. Wire Paladin (SASS#5954, OR) suggested calling this the Chicago Sweep, saying “…you just dump all the rounds of one gun on one target.” California Sweep: From Old Scout (SASS# 323, CA). “Every other shot must be on the first target. The remaining shots will form a sweep.” His example suggested eight shots on five targets, 1-2-1-3-1-4-1-5. See also Hermit Joe Sweep. Chatanika Sweep: Submitted by Brasspounder (SASS#9076, AK), who suggested “Five pistol or rifle targets, arranged at varying distances and heights… Shooting sequence goes thus: 3, 2, 4, 1, 5.” Compare to the Ozark Sweep. Chimney Sweep: From Piney Woods (SASS#29887, NH), who said, “Stack three targets one above the other (numbered 1-2-3 from top to bottom for ease of description) and shoot them 1-2-3-2-1-2-3-2-1… that’s right, up and down, up and down.” Think of a Continuous Nevada Sweep with a vertical orientation. Continuous Nevada Sweep: Generally ten shots on four targets, 1-2-3-4-3- 2-1-2-3-4. Same as the Idaho Sweep and the Zig-Zag. Delta Glen Sweep: Authored by Delta Glen (SASS#39197, FL). Ten shots on three targets, 1-2-2-3-2-2-1-2-2-3, or 3-2-2-1-2-2-3-2-2-1. Similar to the Continuous Nevada Sweep, except you double-tap the center target on every pass. Desperado Sweep: This name was suggested by Grampaw Willie (SASS#26996, MI), who indicated that this sweep was authored by Midnite Desperado (SASS#4321, IN). Ten shots on five targets, 1-2-2-3-3-3-3-4-4-5. Diablo Sweep: From Will E. Doo (SASS#63695, Australia). Ten shots on six targets, 1-2-2-3-4-4-5-6-6-6. Will E. Doo said, “Starting from left or right, sweep the targets – single tap, double tap, single tap, double tap, single tap, triple tap… Good fun for gunfighters & others alike.” Compare to the Lake City Sweep or Gorilla Sweep. Doc’s Sweep: From Doc Shapiro, (SASS# 31526, CA). “Shoot a bank of 5 targets in the following order: 1-4-2-5-3 and repeat.” Double Tap: Two consecutive shots at the same target. Double Tap Sweep: As described by Hellgate (SASS#3302, OR) on the SASS Wire, “Sweep the targets but each is double tapped before going to the next target.” For example, ten shots on five targets, 1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5. Firelands Sweep: From Rye Miles (SASS#13621, OH). Ten shots on four targets, 1-4-2-3-1-4-2-3-1-4. Five on Three: Literally, five shots on three targets, with the exact order at the discretion of the shooter. Examples might be 1-2-3-3-3, or 1-2-2-2-3, or… Fort White Sweep: From Fort White, Florida. Five shots on three targets, starting and ending in the center: 2-1-2-3-2. Shoot the center target, then sweep all three from left to right, then shoot the center target again. Same as the Hoptoad Shuffle, and one of the many variations of Five on Three. Gorilla Sweep: Suggested by Waldo Astoria on the SASS Wire. Nine shots on six targets, 1-1-2-3-3-4-5-5-6. Same as the Lake City Sweep. Hatbill Sweep: Brought to our attention by Johnny the Kid (SASS#22917, FL) and attributed to Colonel Dan (SASS#24025, FL). Johnny the Kid described it as “One target, and place all five shots thereon…” See also the Cajon Sweep and the Nebraska Sweep. Hermit Joe Sweep: From Piney Woods (SASS#29887, NH), who said it was “… named after its creator.” In his words, “Take six rifle targets and shoot them 1-2-1-3-1-4-1-5-1-6 and you’ve done it.” Compare to the California Sweep. Hooten Sweep: Cherokee Big Dog (SASS#17531, KY) said, “The Hooten Sweep ain’t a sweep a’tall. Set the number of targets equal to the number of shots and tell ‘em to engage ‘em once each, but don’t sweep ‘em.” As an example, Cherokee Big Dog suggested a sequence of 1-2-3-5-4, indicating there are “dozens of other variations” but the critical element is that the shooter “breaks up the ascending or descending sweep.” Hoptoad Shuffle: Brought to our attention by Jim Bowdrie (SASS#55924, IL). Five shots on three targets, 2-1-2-3-2 or 2-3-2-1-2. The odd numbered shots are all on the center target. Same as the Fort White Sweep, the Inside-Outside, and the Sassie Sue Sweep. Idaho Shuffle: Suggested by Gold Canyon Kid (SASS#43974, AZ), who said he “shot this up at the Great Northern…” The sequence is 1-3-1-2-3, with five shots on three targets. Compare to the Arkansas Shuffle. Idaho Sweep: From Hellgate (SASS#3302, OR). Ten shots on four targets, 1-2-3-4-3-2-1-2-3-4. Hellgate described it as “… over & back & over again,” with no double taps. In a later post, Hellgate added that the Idaho Sweep is “Sometimes called a Continuous Nevada Sweep.” Grampaw Willie (SASS#26996, MI) called this a Zig-Zag. Indiana Sweep: Five shots on three targets, 2-2-1-2-3 or 2-2-3-2-1. Doc Molar (SASS#18470, IN) came up with this one, and said, “3 targets, you start by double tapping the center target and then sweep across all three targets from either direction, for 5 [rounds].” He added that if you are “…doing this as a rifle sequence you just do it twice.” Inside-Outside: This name was provided by Ranger Buffa Lowe (SASS#39172, BC, Canada). Five shots on three targets: 2-1-2-3-2. Identical to the Fort White Sweep, the Hoptoad Shuffle, and the Sassie Sue Sweep. IRS Sweep: On the SASS Wire, Hellgate (SASS#3302, OR) said “IRS Sweep: 1-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-4-4 … originally we had … low, medium, high, and even higher target stands to simulate higher income brackets where the highest (#4) got hit harder as in tax brackets.” Similar to the Arizona Sweep or Progressive Sweep. Jackrabbit Sweep: Authored by Delta Glen (SASS#39197, FL). Sweep the odd-numbered targets from left to right, then return sweeping the even- numbered targets from right to left. Five shots on five targets: 1-3-5-4-2. Nine shots on nine targets: 1-3-5-7-9-8-6-4-2. John Kerry Sweep: Submitted by Mack Hacker (SASS#60477, TX). Described as “Far right, far left… Repeat as necessary.” John Wayne Sweep: From Fillmore Coffins (SASS#7884, CA), who submitted this on the SASS Wire. He described it as “Simple. Three targets, 10 rounds. The order is: 1, 2, 3, 3, 2, 1, 1, 2, 3, 3.” Similar to the Ruskin Sweep, but with a double tap on the last target. Kansas Sweep: Submitted by Chain Blue (SASS#50574, KS), who described it as “Three rifle targets ten rounds in rifle… double tap t1 t2 t3 then single tap 2, 1, 2, 3…” Ten rounds, three targets: 1-1-2-2-3-3-2-1-2-3. Kansas City Sweep: The source for this one was Grizzly Skinner (SASS#23242, RI). Essentially a Nevada Sweep done with double taps. Ten shots on three targets, 1-1-2-2-3-3-2-2-1-1. Lake City Sweep: We can credit Florida cowboys Delta Glen (SASS#39197) and Jesse Toothpick (SASS#41358) for this one. Nine shots on six targets, 1-1-2-3-3-4-5-5-6. Double tap the odd-numbered targets, and single tap the even numbered targets. Same as the Gorilla Sweep. Lawrence Welk Sweep: As suggested by Prof. Fuller Bullspit (SASS#57421, CA) and Ivory Jack McCloud (SASS#8534, CA). Requires ten shots on four targets, 1-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-4-4. Same as the Arizona Sweep, the IRS Sweep, or Progressive Sweep. Lazy Sweep: In a post on the SASS Wire, Done Gone (SASS#49052, CA) said “I’ve heard reference to a Lazy Sweep. One where you double tapped the last target.” Five shots on three targets, 1-2-3-3-2. Lousiana Swing: From the SASS Wire, submitted by Possum Skinner (SASS#60697, LA). Five targets are arranged in a “V” shape with the apex of the “V” (target #3) nearest the shooter, and the arms of the “V” extending back and out to the left and right. Six shots on five plates, 3-4-5-3-2-1. Miakka Sweep: From an article by El Tigre Viejo, SASS#28083, on page 80 of the June 2004 Cowboy Chronicle. The author says, “In the Miakka Sweep, the shooter starts at the right target of four in a row and makes a continuous right to left sweep, dropping the target furthest to the left each time so that the last of the ten shots is on the target where he began.” Ten shots on four targets, 4-3-2-1-4-3-2-4-3-4. Same as the Badger Sweep, but shot from the opposite direction Missouri Sweep: From Shoshone Slim (SASS# 31347, MO), who described it as “… all shots into one target.” This appears to mean all shots for the entire stage, same as for the Amigo’s Sweep and the Texas Sweep. Missouri Hillbilly Sweep: Posted by Missouri Marshal (SASS#50682, VA). Ten shots on four targets, 1-1-2-3-4-4-3-2-1-1. Think of this as a Nevada Sweep, but with double taps on the end targets. Missouri Marshal also described an abbreviated version for the revolver, requiring six shots on four targets: 1-1-2-3-4-4. Montana Sweep: This name was submitted by Tequila Vaquero (SASS#4624). Ten rounds on four targets, 1-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-4-4. Also known as the Arizona Sweep and the Progressive Sweep. Mustang Sweep: Suggested by Mustang Gregg (SASS#38345, NE) on the SASS Wire. Ten shots on five targets, 1-1-1-2-1-3-1-4-1-5. Mustang Gregg indicated this is a good sweep for Gunfighters, L-R-L-R-L-R-L-R-L-R. Nebraska Sweep: Also from Mustang Gregg (SASS#38345, NE). All shots on one target. 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1. Another version of the Cajon Sweep. Nevada Sweep: Originated by Beans (SASS#316, NV), and sometimes described as “the most common of cowboy sweeps.” In a post on the SASS Wire, Beans said, “… it is always meant to be shot left to right unless the stage directions state [otherwise].” The Nevada Sweep always requires an odd number of rounds, and involves sweeping from one end of the row of targets to the other and back without double-tapping. Five shots on three targets, 1-2-3-2-1. Seven shots on four targets, 1-2-3-4-3-2-1. Nine shots on five targets, 1-2-3-4-5-4-3-2-1. Ohio Sweep: From Rye Miles (SASS#13621, OH), who said “Split Rail from Tusco Longriders thought it up and I named it.” Five shots on three targets, 1-2-1-2-3. Oklahoma Sweep: Submitted by McCandless (SASS#25723). In a post on the SASS Wire, he said “… an Oklahoma Sweep was simply shooting four targets with eight rounds, sweep from the left (1-2-3-4) then return sweep from the right (4-3-2-1) double tapping the fourth target.” See also Wyoming Sweep. Oregon Sweep: From Wire Paladin (SASS#5954, OR). Nine rifle rounds on five targets, 1-1-1-2-3-4-5-5-5. Oregon Trail Sweep: Also from Wire Paladin (SASS#5954, OR). Ten shots on five targets, 1-1-1-2-3-3-4-5-5-5. Same as the Oregon Sweep except for a double tap on the middle target. Ozark Sweep: From Red River Ralph (SASS#49760, AR). Ten shots on five targets, first 1-5-2-4-3, then 3-2-4-1-5. Red River Ralph suggested using two revolvers for this. Compare to the Chatanika Sweep. Palindrome Sweep: Submitted by Palindrome (SASS#54445, WA), who credited the Black River Regulators for this sweep. Ten shots on four targets, 1-1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-4. Palindrome said, “Triple tap the first, double tap the second and third, triple tap the fourth. Shot from either direction, of course.” Same as the Cactus Buck Sweep. However, a palindrome is defined as “…a word or sentence which reads the same backward as it does forward” (The Winston Dictionary, 1943), and a number of sweeps fit this description. Deadly Sharpshooter (SASS#35828, FL) wrote an entire stage comprised of “Palindrome Sweeps,” which could be shot from either direction. For the handguns, he suggested ten shots on seven targets: 1-2-2-3-4-4-5-6-6-7. Double-tap all the even numbered targets, which makes a good sweep for Gunfighters. For the rifle, he indicated nine shots on five targets: 1-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-5 (compare to the Desperado Sweep, which is also a “palindrome”). The shotgun would engage three targets with four shots: 1-2-2-3. Peddler Sweep: From Peddler Parsons (SASS#31281, MO). Ten shots on five targets, starting from the left: 1-3-5-2-4-5-3-1-4-2. Pendulum Sweep: The writer has heard this name applied both to the Nevada Sweep and to the Oklahoma Sweep, which differ according to whether a single shot or a double tap is employed on the last target in the row. This illustrates the importance of writing out the exact shooting sequence in each stage description, whether the “sweep” is named or not. Possum Skinner Sweep: Described on the SASS Wire by Possum Skinner (SASS#60697, LA). Ten shots on four targets. Possum Skinner said, “Using both pistols shoot 3 cowboys 3 times each, then put 10th round on circle.” This instruction is gunfighter-friendly, and gives the shooters some choices. Poverty Sweep: From Poverty Bill (SASS#45790, MT). Ten shots on four targets: 1-2-3-4-2-3-4-3-4-4. Also known as a Boss Hayes Sweep. Compare to the Badger Sweep. Presidio Sweep: Posted on the SASS Wire by Presidio (SASS#40582, TX). Intended for the shotgun, this requires six shots on four targets: 1-2-3-2-3-4. The targets on the far left and far right are knockdowns, while the two center targets are evidently plates or swingers. Presidio added that knockdowns “…must go down to be counted and [targets must] be shot in order before going to the next target in numerical sequence.” Progressive Nevada Sweep: This interesting sweep was submitted to the SASS Wire by Abilene (SASS#27489, TX), who described a sequence of 1-2-2-3-3-3-2-2-1, but just called it “progressive from left.” We took the liberty of calling it the “Progressive Nevada Sweep” because it combines the increasing multiple taps of the Progressive Sweep with direction reversal as in the Nevada Sweep. However, the Abilene Sweep might be a better choice, in recognition of the individual who suggested it. Progressive Sweep: As suggested by Cliffhanger (SASS#3720, CA) and Grampaw Willie (SASS#26996, MI). Ten shots on four targets, 1-2-2-3-3- 3-4-4-4-4. Same as the Arizona Sweep and the Montana Sweep. Rainbow Loop: From Old Scout (SASS# 323, CA). Hard to describe without a picture, but this involves three targets arranged in a triangle. The point of the triangle is nearest the shooter (target #1), with the other two targets farther back and to the left (#2) and right (#3). Engage the front target first, then the left rear, then the right rear, then the front. Keep going around in this fashion for the specified number of rounds, ending up where you started. For example, seven rounds on three targets, 1-2-3-1-2-3-1. Ruskin Sweep: Brought to our attention by Take Aim (SASS#39434, FL). Nine rounds on three targets, 1-2-3-3-2-1-1-2-3. Compare to the John Wayne Sweep. San Juan Sweep: Described on page 74 of the July 2004 issue of the Cowboy Chronicle, in an article by Palaver Pete (SASS#4375). This sweep was attributed to San Juan (SASS#1776, CO), and involves ten shots on four targets, 1-1-2-1-2-3-1-2-3-4. Think of sweeping repeatedly from left to right, adding one target with every pass. Sassie Sue Sweep: Submitted by Grampaw Willie (SASS#26996, MI), who described it as five shots on three targets, “middle, left, middle, right, middle,” or 2-1-2-3-2. This is identical to the Fort White Sweep, the Hoptoad Shuffle, and the Inside-Outside. Solitaire Sweep: Suggested by Doc Silverfinger (SASS# 3444) and Cliffhanger (SASS#3720, CA). Ten shots on four targets, 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-1- 2-1. Also known as a Badger Sweep. Strider Sweep: From Strider (SASS#47548, FL). Ten shots on five targets, 3-2-1-2-3-3-4-5-4-3. You can think of this as two consecutive five-shot Nevada sweeps, one to the left and the other to the right, both beginning on the middle target. Works well for rifle or two sixguns. Watch out for that double tap on the center target! Texas Sweep: Submitted by Gold Canyon Kid (SASS#43974, AZ). He described it as “… all shots from every gun into one Texas size target.” Same as the Amigo’s Sweep and the Missouri Sweep. 32/32 Sweep: This name was suggested by Grampaw Willie (SASS#26996, MI), who attributed the sweep to Sassie Sue (SASS#15005, IN). Ten shots on four targets, 1-1-1-2-2-3-3-3-4-4. Tough Hombre Sweep: Submitted by Grampaw Willie (SASS#26996, MI). Five shots on three targets, 2-2-1-3-2. Grampaw Willie described it this way: “P2 represents the baddest, meanest, most dangerous adversary. Hit P2 twice then take care of his henchmen: P1, P3. Then come back and finish off Old Tougher than Leather: 5th shot on P2.” Triple Tap: Three consecutive shots on one target. Wyoming Sweep: Brought to our attention by Piney Woods (SASS#29887, NH). His example used ten rounds on five targets, 1-2-3-4-5-5-4-3-2-1. Essentially the same as the Oklahoma Sweep. See also Pendulum Sweep. Zig-Zag: Suggested by Grampaw Willie (SASS#26996, MI). Ten shots on four targets, 1-2-3-4-3-2-1-2-3-4. An alternate name for the Continuous Nevada Sweep or Idaho Sweep. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 9 hours ago, Creeker, SASS #43022 said: Generally, if you are having to place steel out for the match and put it away afterwards - most match directors will avoid messing with unused steel. But there is no rule against it. At my old club monthlies; we would shoot on three different bays - two stages on each bay. I would generally set target arrays consisting of three targets, four targets and five targets - giving myself plenty of available variation to work with. And while from time to time - we may shoot a two target sequence on the three plate arrays - ignoring a target. This would only occur because I would (generally) not set two target arrays because of the limitations. I would generally avoid shooting three target sequences on four target arrays or four target sequences on five target arrays - because I figured I already had an array set with the "correct" number of targets if I was dead set on shooting that sequence. But a match director with a wild hair can always pull something weird out of their bag of tricks - but go off trail too far and you risk the wrath of your shooters. Extra targets are also bad from a shooters point of view. The no-shoot steel creates the possibility of hitting the wrong target and thus incurring a penalty. As Creeker can verify, we do sometimes get bad weather here in Vegas. On those occasions we sometimes chuck all the steel into one bay and rearrange as necessary between stages. If we switch from a four target stage to a three target stage we move the extra target to the side. But in answer to your question no, there's no rule written or otherwise about that. We just do it as a courtesy to the shooters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 18 minutes ago, Shooting Bull said: Extra targets are also bad from a shooters point of view. The no-shoot steel creates the possibility of hitting the wrong target and thus incurring a penalty. Generally agree, but then there is this: 20 minutes ago, Cholla said: John Kerry Sweep: Submitted by Mack Hacker (SASS#60477, TX). Described as “Far right, far left… Repeat as necessary.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) 14 hours ago, Make do said: So, there you have it all the possible combinations for 3 targets just pick your favorite. What could go wrong? Things get a little bigger when you switch to 4 or 5 targets. I suggest going through the table and circling any patterns which have some reasonable symmetry. Then compare to known sweeps and see if anything is new and looks interesting. Then name one them as your invention. A "Make Do" sweep. Edited February 1 by John Kloehr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, Shooting Bull said: Extra targets are also bad from a shooters point of view. The no-shoot steel creates the possibility of hitting the wrong target and thus incurring a penalty. As Creeker can verify, we do sometimes get bad weather here in Vegas. On those occasions we sometimes chuck all the steel into one bay and rearrange as necessary between stages. If we switch from a four target stage to a three target stage we move the extra target to the side. But in answer to your question no, there's no rule written or otherwise about that. We just do it as a courtesy to the shooters. I agree. I'll shoot a stage that has targets that aren't used, but my question would be why? It's not that hard to take the steel down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 So we obviously need to name all those sweeps for those who seem to need that. And we can have various people around the nation give them names so the same sweep will have different names so that they are easier to remember. Well . . maybe NOT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frontier Lone Rider Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 From one who actually taught Math, I would say that this is an example of a problem seeking a solution with too much time on their hands. For those of us older ones, we feel more comfortable walking up to a stage and having a recurring sequence that we are familiar with shooting. I do, at times, forget the shooting sequence even while I am shooting. I try to follow the KISS Principal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlin Buckhorn,SASS 51727 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) Hi Cholla I will say it even if nobody else does, Thanks for the list of named sweeps! An excellent tool and refresher! Ride easy, Marlin PS: Thanks Crooked River Bob for compiling this list originally! Edited February 1 by Marlin Buckhorn,SASS 51727 Added PS 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, Cholla said: A Glossary of Sweeps Compiled by Crooked River Bob SASS#26199 For consistency, targets will be numbered from left to right. Multiple shots on a single target will be indicated by repeating that target’s number. Items in Bold Text have separate entries Abilene Sweep: Named after Abilene (SASS#27489, TX), who posted it on the SASS Wire. Nine shots on five targets, 1-2-2-3-3-3-2-2-1. This might also be described as a Progressive Nevada Sweep. Amigo’s Sweep: Suggested on the SASS Wire by Wallaby Jack (SASS#44062, NSW, Australia). “…the whole stage is set up with a target array of ONE target.” See also Missouri Sweep and Texas Sweep. Arizona Sweep: From Old Scout (SASS# 323, CA). “Progressively place one more round on each target.” Ten shots on four plates, in the following order: 1-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-4-4. Also known as a Progressive Sweep, and sometimes as a Montana Sweep or a Lawrence Welk Sweep. Arkansas Shuffle: Attributed to West Creek Willie (SASS#33394, IL). Five shots on three targets, engaged as 1-1-2-3-3. Compare to the Idaho Shuffle. Bad Jack Abernathy Sweep: Described on the SASS Wire by A. D. Texaz (SASS#16339, TX). Nine shots on four targets, 1-1-4-2-2-4-3-3-4. Badger Sweep: Attributed to Badger, SASS#3361. See the Cowboy Chronicle, September 2003, page 42. Old Scout (SASS# 323, CA) describes it as “Successive sweeps, firing one less shot on each sweep.” Ten shots on four targets, 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-1-2-1. Also called a Solitaire Sweep. Compare to the Miakka Sweep. Bear Butte Sweep: Dreamed up by Bear Butte SASS #11231. Five shots on 3 targets. 1-1-2-3-1 (see SASS number). Not called anything else! Boss Hayes Sweep: This name was provided by Bird Dawg Dan (SASS#59914, CA). Same as the Poverty Sweep, with ten shots on four targets: 1-2-3-4-2-3-4-3-4-4. Brat Sweep: Mentioned on the SASS Wire by Penny Wrangler (SASS#50750, UT). Five shots on three targets, 1-3-2-3-1. In a later post, Moe Greens (SASS#53755, UT) indicated the Brat Sweep “…goes 1-3-2-3- 1, or 3-1-2-1-3.” Either way, it’s another variation of Five on Three. Cactus Buck Sweep: Submitted to the SASS Wire by A. D. Texaz (SASS#16339, TX). Ten shots on four targets. 1-1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-4. Same as the Palindrome Sweep. Cajon Sweep: From Old Scout (SASS# 323, CA). Five consecutive shots on a single target, 1-1-1-1-1. Cowboy action shooters in general have a lot of fun with this one, and it is humorously known by a variety of names in various parts of the country. For example, Mustang Gregg (SASS#38345, NE) and Cuts Crooked (SASS#36914, “Midwest”) called it the Nebraska Sweep, while Curly McCrae (SASS#27784, MI) called it a California Sweep. R.B. Rooson (SASS#16974, TX) called it the Paradise Pistolero Sweep. Johnny the Kid (SASS#22917, FL) identified it as the Hatbill Sweep. Wire Paladin (SASS#5954, OR) suggested calling this the Chicago Sweep, saying “…you just dump all the rounds of one gun on one target.” California Sweep: From Old Scout (SASS# 323, CA). “Every other shot must be on the first target. The remaining shots will form a sweep.” His example suggested eight shots on five targets, 1-2-1-3-1-4-1-5. See also Hermit Joe Sweep. Chatanika Sweep: Submitted by Brasspounder (SASS#9076, AK), who suggested “Five pistol or rifle targets, arranged at varying distances and heights… Shooting sequence goes thus: 3, 2, 4, 1, 5.” Compare to the Ozark Sweep. Chimney Sweep: From Piney Woods (SASS#29887, NH), who said, “Stack three targets one above the other (numbered 1-2-3 from top to bottom for ease of description) and shoot them 1-2-3-2-1-2-3-2-1… that’s right, up and down, up and down.” Think of a Continuous Nevada Sweep with a vertical orientation. Continuous Nevada Sweep: Generally ten shots on four targets, 1-2-3-4-3- 2-1-2-3-4. Same as the Idaho Sweep and the Zig-Zag. Delta Glen Sweep: Authored by Delta Glen (SASS#39197, FL). Ten shots on three targets, 1-2-2-3-2-2-1-2-2-3, or 3-2-2-1-2-2-3-2-2-1. Similar to the Continuous Nevada Sweep, except you double-tap the center target on every pass. Desperado Sweep: This name was suggested by Grampaw Willie (SASS#26996, MI), who indicated that this sweep was authored by Midnite Desperado (SASS#4321, IN). Ten shots on five targets, 1-2-2-3-3-3-3-4-4-5. Diablo Sweep: From Will E. Doo (SASS#63695, Australia). Ten shots on six targets, 1-2-2-3-4-4-5-6-6-6. Will E. Doo said, “Starting from left or right, sweep the targets – single tap, double tap, single tap, double tap, single tap, triple tap… Good fun for gunfighters & others alike.” Compare to the Lake City Sweep or Gorilla Sweep. Doc’s Sweep: From Doc Shapiro, (SASS# 31526, CA). “Shoot a bank of 5 targets in the following order: 1-4-2-5-3 and repeat.” Double Tap: Two consecutive shots at the same target. Double Tap Sweep: As described by Hellgate (SASS#3302, OR) on the SASS Wire, “Sweep the targets but each is double tapped before going to the next target.” For example, ten shots on five targets, 1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5. Firelands Sweep: From Rye Miles (SASS#13621, OH). Ten shots on four targets, 1-4-2-3-1-4-2-3-1-4. Five on Three: Literally, five shots on three targets, with the exact order at the discretion of the shooter. Examples might be 1-2-3-3-3, or 1-2-2-2-3, or… Fort White Sweep: From Fort White, Florida. Five shots on three targets, starting and ending in the center: 2-1-2-3-2. Shoot the center target, then sweep all three from left to right, then shoot the center target again. Same as the Hoptoad Shuffle, and one of the many variations of Five on Three. Gorilla Sweep: Suggested by Waldo Astoria on the SASS Wire. Nine shots on six targets, 1-1-2-3-3-4-5-5-6. Same as the Lake City Sweep. Hatbill Sweep: Brought to our attention by Johnny the Kid (SASS#22917, FL) and attributed to Colonel Dan (SASS#24025, FL). Johnny the Kid described it as “One target, and place all five shots thereon…” See also the Cajon Sweep and the Nebraska Sweep. Hermit Joe Sweep: From Piney Woods (SASS#29887, NH), who said it was “… named after its creator.” In his words, “Take six rifle targets and shoot them 1-2-1-3-1-4-1-5-1-6 and you’ve done it.” Compare to the California Sweep. Hooten Sweep: Cherokee Big Dog (SASS#17531, KY) said, “The Hooten Sweep ain’t a sweep a’tall. Set the number of targets equal to the number of shots and tell ‘em to engage ‘em once each, but don’t sweep ‘em.” As an example, Cherokee Big Dog suggested a sequence of 1-2-3-5-4, indicating there are “dozens of other variations” but the critical element is that the shooter “breaks up the ascending or descending sweep.” Hoptoad Shuffle: Brought to our attention by Jim Bowdrie (SASS#55924, IL). Five shots on three targets, 2-1-2-3-2 or 2-3-2-1-2. The odd numbered shots are all on the center target. Same as the Fort White Sweep, the Inside-Outside, and the Sassie Sue Sweep. Idaho Shuffle: Suggested by Gold Canyon Kid (SASS#43974, AZ), who said he “shot this up at the Great Northern…” The sequence is 1-3-1-2-3, with five shots on three targets. Compare to the Arkansas Shuffle. Idaho Sweep: From Hellgate (SASS#3302, OR). Ten shots on four targets, 1-2-3-4-3-2-1-2-3-4. Hellgate described it as “… over & back & over again,” with no double taps. In a later post, Hellgate added that the Idaho Sweep is “Sometimes called a Continuous Nevada Sweep.” Grampaw Willie (SASS#26996, MI) called this a Zig-Zag. Indiana Sweep: Five shots on three targets, 2-2-1-2-3 or 2-2-3-2-1. Doc Molar (SASS#18470, IN) came up with this one, and said, “3 targets, you start by double tapping the center target and then sweep across all three targets from either direction, for 5 [rounds].” He added that if you are “…doing this as a rifle sequence you just do it twice.” Inside-Outside: This name was provided by Ranger Buffa Lowe (SASS#39172, BC, Canada). Five shots on three targets: 2-1-2-3-2. Identical to the Fort White Sweep, the Hoptoad Shuffle, and the Sassie Sue Sweep. IRS Sweep: On the SASS Wire, Hellgate (SASS#3302, OR) said “IRS Sweep: 1-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-4-4 … originally we had … low, medium, high, and even higher target stands to simulate higher income brackets where the highest (#4) got hit harder as in tax brackets.” Similar to the Arizona Sweep or Progressive Sweep. Jackrabbit Sweep: Authored by Delta Glen (SASS#39197, FL). Sweep the odd-numbered targets from left to right, then return sweeping the even- numbered targets from right to left. Five shots on five targets: 1-3-5-4-2. Nine shots on nine targets: 1-3-5-7-9-8-6-4-2. John Kerry Sweep: Submitted by Mack Hacker (SASS#60477, TX). Described as “Far right, far left… Repeat as necessary.” John Wayne Sweep: From Fillmore Coffins (SASS#7884, CA), who submitted this on the SASS Wire. He described it as “Simple. Three targets, 10 rounds. The order is: 1, 2, 3, 3, 2, 1, 1, 2, 3, 3.” Similar to the Ruskin Sweep, but with a double tap on the last target. Kansas Sweep: Submitted by Chain Blue (SASS#50574, KS), who described it as “Three rifle targets ten rounds in rifle… double tap t1 t2 t3 then single tap 2, 1, 2, 3…” Ten rounds, three targets: 1-1-2-2-3-3-2-1-2-3. Kansas City Sweep: The source for this one was Grizzly Skinner (SASS#23242, RI). Essentially a Nevada Sweep done with double taps. Ten shots on three targets, 1-1-2-2-3-3-2-2-1-1. Lake City Sweep: We can credit Florida cowboys Delta Glen (SASS#39197) and Jesse Toothpick (SASS#41358) for this one. Nine shots on six targets, 1-1-2-3-3-4-5-5-6. Double tap the odd-numbered targets, and single tap the even numbered targets. Same as the Gorilla Sweep. Lawrence Welk Sweep: As suggested by Prof. Fuller Bullspit (SASS#57421, CA) and Ivory Jack McCloud (SASS#8534, CA). Requires ten shots on four targets, 1-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-4-4. Same as the Arizona Sweep, the IRS Sweep, or Progressive Sweep. Lazy Sweep: In a post on the SASS Wire, Done Gone (SASS#49052, CA) said “I’ve heard reference to a Lazy Sweep. One where you double tapped the last target.” Five shots on three targets, 1-2-3-3-2. Lousiana Swing: From the SASS Wire, submitted by Possum Skinner (SASS#60697, LA). Five targets are arranged in a “V” shape with the apex of the “V” (target #3) nearest the shooter, and the arms of the “V” extending back and out to the left and right. Six shots on five plates, 3-4-5-3-2-1. Miakka Sweep: From an article by El Tigre Viejo, SASS#28083, on page 80 of the June 2004 Cowboy Chronicle. The author says, “In the Miakka Sweep, the shooter starts at the right target of four in a row and makes a continuous right to left sweep, dropping the target furthest to the left each time so that the last of the ten shots is on the target where he began.” Ten shots on four targets, 4-3-2-1-4-3-2-4-3-4. Same as the Badger Sweep, but shot from the opposite direction Missouri Sweep: From Shoshone Slim (SASS# 31347, MO), who described it as “… all shots into one target.” This appears to mean all shots for the entire stage, same as for the Amigo’s Sweep and the Texas Sweep. Missouri Hillbilly Sweep: Posted by Missouri Marshal (SASS#50682, VA). Ten shots on four targets, 1-1-2-3-4-4-3-2-1-1. Think of this as a Nevada Sweep, but with double taps on the end targets. Missouri Marshal also described an abbreviated version for the revolver, requiring six shots on four targets: 1-1-2-3-4-4. Montana Sweep: This name was submitted by Tequila Vaquero (SASS#4624). Ten rounds on four targets, 1-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-4-4. Also known as the Arizona Sweep and the Progressive Sweep. Mustang Sweep: Suggested by Mustang Gregg (SASS#38345, NE) on the SASS Wire. Ten shots on five targets, 1-1-1-2-1-3-1-4-1-5. Mustang Gregg indicated this is a good sweep for Gunfighters, L-R-L-R-L-R-L-R-L-R. Nebraska Sweep: Also from Mustang Gregg (SASS#38345, NE). All shots on one target. 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1. Another version of the Cajon Sweep. Nevada Sweep: Originated by Beans (SASS#316, NV), and sometimes described as “the most common of cowboy sweeps.” In a post on the SASS Wire, Beans said, “… it is always meant to be shot left to right unless the stage directions state [otherwise].” The Nevada Sweep always requires an odd number of rounds, and involves sweeping from one end of the row of targets to the other and back without double-tapping. Five shots on three targets, 1-2-3-2-1. Seven shots on four targets, 1-2-3-4-3-2-1. Nine shots on five targets, 1-2-3-4-5-4-3-2-1. Ohio Sweep: From Rye Miles (SASS#13621, OH), who said “Split Rail from Tusco Longriders thought it up and I named it.” Five shots on three targets, 1-2-1-2-3. Oklahoma Sweep: Submitted by McCandless (SASS#25723). In a post on the SASS Wire, he said “… an Oklahoma Sweep was simply shooting four targets with eight rounds, sweep from the left (1-2-3-4) then return sweep from the right (4-3-2-1) double tapping the fourth target.” See also Wyoming Sweep. Oregon Sweep: From Wire Paladin (SASS#5954, OR). Nine rifle rounds on five targets, 1-1-1-2-3-4-5-5-5. Oregon Trail Sweep: Also from Wire Paladin (SASS#5954, OR). Ten shots on five targets, 1-1-1-2-3-3-4-5-5-5. Same as the Oregon Sweep except for a double tap on the middle target. Ozark Sweep: From Red River Ralph (SASS#49760, AR). Ten shots on five targets, first 1-5-2-4-3, then 3-2-4-1-5. Red River Ralph suggested using two revolvers for this. Compare to the Chatanika Sweep. Palindrome Sweep: Submitted by Palindrome (SASS#54445, WA), who credited the Black River Regulators for this sweep. Ten shots on four targets, 1-1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-4. Palindrome said, “Triple tap the first, double tap the second and third, triple tap the fourth. Shot from either direction, of course.” Same as the Cactus Buck Sweep. However, a palindrome is defined as “…a word or sentence which reads the same backward as it does forward” (The Winston Dictionary, 1943), and a number of sweeps fit this description. Deadly Sharpshooter (SASS#35828, FL) wrote an entire stage comprised of “Palindrome Sweeps,” which could be shot from either direction. For the handguns, he suggested ten shots on seven targets: 1-2-2-3-4-4-5-6-6-7. Double-tap all the even numbered targets, which makes a good sweep for Gunfighters. For the rifle, he indicated nine shots on five targets: 1-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-5 (compare to the Desperado Sweep, which is also a “palindrome”). The shotgun would engage three targets with four shots: 1-2-2-3. Peddler Sweep: From Peddler Parsons (SASS#31281, MO). Ten shots on five targets, starting from the left: 1-3-5-2-4-5-3-1-4-2. Pendulum Sweep: The writer has heard this name applied both to the Nevada Sweep and to the Oklahoma Sweep, which differ according to whether a single shot or a double tap is employed on the last target in the row. This illustrates the importance of writing out the exact shooting sequence in each stage description, whether the “sweep” is named or not. Possum Skinner Sweep: Described on the SASS Wire by Possum Skinner (SASS#60697, LA). Ten shots on four targets. Possum Skinner said, “Using both pistols shoot 3 cowboys 3 times each, then put 10th round on circle.” This instruction is gunfighter-friendly, and gives the shooters some choices. Poverty Sweep: From Poverty Bill (SASS#45790, MT). Ten shots on four targets: 1-2-3-4-2-3-4-3-4-4. Also known as a Boss Hayes Sweep. Compare to the Badger Sweep. Presidio Sweep: Posted on the SASS Wire by Presidio (SASS#40582, TX). Intended for the shotgun, this requires six shots on four targets: 1-2-3-2-3-4. The targets on the far left and far right are knockdowns, while the two center targets are evidently plates or swingers. Presidio added that knockdowns “…must go down to be counted and [targets must] be shot in order before going to the next target in numerical sequence.” Progressive Nevada Sweep: This interesting sweep was submitted to the SASS Wire by Abilene (SASS#27489, TX), who described a sequence of 1-2-2-3-3-3-2-2-1, but just called it “progressive from left.” We took the liberty of calling it the “Progressive Nevada Sweep” because it combines the increasing multiple taps of the Progressive Sweep with direction reversal as in the Nevada Sweep. However, the Abilene Sweep might be a better choice, in recognition of the individual who suggested it. Progressive Sweep: As suggested by Cliffhanger (SASS#3720, CA) and Grampaw Willie (SASS#26996, MI). Ten shots on four targets, 1-2-2-3-3- 3-4-4-4-4. Same as the Arizona Sweep and the Montana Sweep. Rainbow Loop: From Old Scout (SASS# 323, CA). Hard to describe without a picture, but this involves three targets arranged in a triangle. The point of the triangle is nearest the shooter (target #1), with the other two targets farther back and to the left (#2) and right (#3). Engage the front target first, then the left rear, then the right rear, then the front. Keep going around in this fashion for the specified number of rounds, ending up where you started. For example, seven rounds on three targets, 1-2-3-1-2-3-1. Ruskin Sweep: Brought to our attention by Take Aim (SASS#39434, FL). Nine rounds on three targets, 1-2-3-3-2-1-1-2-3. Compare to the John Wayne Sweep. San Juan Sweep: Described on page 74 of the July 2004 issue of the Cowboy Chronicle, in an article by Palaver Pete (SASS#4375). This sweep was attributed to San Juan (SASS#1776, CO), and involves ten shots on four targets, 1-1-2-1-2-3-1-2-3-4. Think of sweeping repeatedly from left to right, adding one target with every pass. Sassie Sue Sweep: Submitted by Grampaw Willie (SASS#26996, MI), who described it as five shots on three targets, “middle, left, middle, right, middle,” or 2-1-2-3-2. This is identical to the Fort White Sweep, the Hoptoad Shuffle, and the Inside-Outside. Solitaire Sweep: Suggested by Doc Silverfinger (SASS# 3444) and Cliffhanger (SASS#3720, CA). Ten shots on four targets, 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-1- 2-1. Also known as a Badger Sweep. Strider Sweep: From Strider (SASS#47548, FL). Ten shots on five targets, 3-2-1-2-3-3-4-5-4-3. You can think of this as two consecutive five-shot Nevada sweeps, one to the left and the other to the right, both beginning on the middle target. Works well for rifle or two sixguns. Watch out for that double tap on the center target! Texas Sweep: Submitted by Gold Canyon Kid (SASS#43974, AZ). He described it as “… all shots from every gun into one Texas size target.” Same as the Amigo’s Sweep and the Missouri Sweep. 32/32 Sweep: This name was suggested by Grampaw Willie (SASS#26996, MI), who attributed the sweep to Sassie Sue (SASS#15005, IN). Ten shots on four targets, 1-1-1-2-2-3-3-3-4-4. Tough Hombre Sweep: Submitted by Grampaw Willie (SASS#26996, MI). Five shots on three targets, 2-2-1-3-2. Grampaw Willie described it this way: “P2 represents the baddest, meanest, most dangerous adversary. Hit P2 twice then take care of his henchmen: P1, P3. Then come back and finish off Old Tougher than Leather: 5th shot on P2.” Triple Tap: Three consecutive shots on one target. Wyoming Sweep: Brought to our attention by Piney Woods (SASS#29887, NH). His example used ten rounds on five targets, 1-2-3-4-5-5-4-3-2-1. Essentially the same as the Oklahoma Sweep. See also Pendulum Sweep. Zig-Zag: Suggested by Grampaw Willie (SASS#26996, MI). Ten shots on four targets, 1-2-3-4-3-2-1-2-3-4. An alternate name for the Continuous Nevada Sweep or Idaho Sweep. Add Hangman or Rattlesnake Sweep: 1232343453 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 26 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said: I agree. I'll shoot a stage that has targets that aren't used, but my question would be why? It's not that hard to take the steel down. Agree. A no-shoot hostage target or two can be fun, but otherwise extra targets often turn out to be "P" traps. It helps if they are painted differently, but like you said --WHY have them at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradyT88 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 7 minutes ago, Dusty Devil Dale said: Add Hangman or Rattlesnake Sweep: 1232343453 This one sounds like a pain in the butt for a gunfighter... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 22 minutes ago, BradyT88 said: This one sounds like a pain in the butt for a gunfighter... I don't think I would enjoy shooting that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) 42 minutes ago, BradyT88 said: This one sounds like a pain in the butt for a gunfighter It isn't particularly new - been around a while. You have to think in threes. 123--- 234 ---345---3. It isn't what anybody would call GF-friendly, or even two-handed shooter-friendly (pistol split can be a challenge under the clock). Rifle is a lot simpler. I've run into it in matches fairly often. Edited February 1 by Dusty Devil Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) Hard to think in threes when you're working off base 10. I think very few shooters could program that stage into their heads well enough to shoot it without having to think about what's next the whole time. Edited February 1 by Captain Bill Burt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 123--- 234 ---345---3 LLR-- LRR-- LRR --L? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 30 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said: Hard to think in threes when you're working of base 10. I think very few shooters could program that stage into their heads well enough to shoot it without having to think about what's next the whole time. That about sums it up. It's never an easy stage to shoot. Some shooters have it figured out and practiced. They do OK. Surprisingly, I've looked back at scores and there were not very many Procedurals. I've seen quite a few shooters shoot it below 16 ( both R and P targets using the Hangman). It isn't really as bad as it looks at first glance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells Comin Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 With some of these sweeps there will be a hanging after the Match or before ! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 The sweep with my name on it in the Sweep Glossary wasn't invented by me, I just suggested it as a 3 target 9-shot sweep way back when not all stages were 10-10-4+ , and my name got stuck on it. I'll bet it hasn't been used in many years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) There are as many sweeps as there are match directors imagination. Some with names; some without. Buffalo Sam 4 targets. T1 - 1x, T2 - 1x T1 - 1x, T3 - 2x T1 - 1x, T4 - 3x T1 - 1x Creeker set on 5 targets - middle (T3) target shaped/ painted differently. Middle target 2x Outside targets 1x each Middle target 2x Inside targets 1x each Middle target 2x Can also be set on 3 targets. Painted Lady set on 4 targets L-R single taps T1, T2, T3 T2, T3, T4 T1, T2, T3, T4 Pikes Peak set on 5 targets at three differing elevations - an inverted V T1 and T5 same height - T2 and T4 higher - T3 set highest T1 - 1x, T2 - 2x, T3 - 4x, T4 -2x, T5 - 1x Same setup but set in an actual V is a Death Valley sweep. Muskateer (shot with rifle AND pistols - 20 round sequence) set on 5 targets - targets 1 and 4 are differently sized/ shaped or painted "One for all and all for one" Rifle One for all (1 - 4 - all) T1 - 1x then T4 - 4x, then single tap sweep L-R T1, T2, T3, T4, T5 Move downrange - engage same array with pistols. All for one (all - 4 - 1) Single tap sweep L - R T1, T2, T3, T4, T5 then T4 - 4x then T1 - 1x And the list never stops... Edited February 1 by Creeker, SASS #43022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 I don't see one of my favorites, the 'Cat Herder's Sweep'. 1,1,2,3,4,4,3,2,1,1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 If I had a dollar for all the complaining about a new sweep that once people actually shot it decided that they liked it. The once that brought the most complaints when it first appeared here was 1-5-2-4-3 followed by the 3-2-4-1-5. The whole posse was calling it a P trap when it was read. After everyone shot it the complaining stopped and now I see it everywhere. One I liked was called the boomerang sweep. It consisted of 9 targets set in an X pattern. 1 5 2 4 3 6 7 8 9 Starting on any corner target shoot 5 targets in the pattern of a boomerang. for example 1-2-3-4-5-5-4-3-7-9-9-7-3-6-8-8-6-3-2-1 Hard to explain on paper but once you shoot it it's easy. Have only shot it once but it was a lot of fun. To make it work you need target stands that are the correct heights so that you have enough space for a clean miss. Another one that is becoming popular is the 1883 sweep. 1-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-4-4-4. This one is challenging but once you get the hang of it it flows well. I have discovered that some sweeps are confusing on paper but when you actually shoot them they flow pretty well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 I don't think the first one is too tough @Sedalia Dave but as a rhythm shooter I don't think I would be able to really get going on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, Captain Bill Burt said: I don't think the first one is too tough @Sedalia Dave but as a rhythm shooter I don't think I would be able to really get going on it. For gunfighters it flows really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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