Oak Ridge Regulator Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 with Trail Boss looking like it very well may be in the grave I am looking for a new 45 colt powder for reduced load with a 200g bullet, shooters world advertises it has tested its Ultimate pistol powder all the way down to sqib velocities and still retains reliable ignition, that would be impressive in a case with the 45 colt volume and would speak well for reliability with reduced power loads, they claim 5g under a 200g bullet for 552 fps, that should allow a 6 to 7 grain load that would be mild enough for most people to compete with and not risk bottom of the chart loads, its also a ball powder which they claim an average of +/- .05 thru most powder measures, again this is not a bad thing, HERE is the big question is anybody using this powder and are they happy with what they have found or is this really an advertisement thats stretched a bit thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Shooters World Cleanshot had good reviews and is sold by Scarlett. I got 5 pounds from her and am going to try it for this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 There is no one perfect smokeless powder. There are several that work in multiple calibers and shotshells. However the saying "jack of all trades, master of none" applies. Even to trailBoss. As Warden Calloway just pointed out FFFg Black powder is as close as you can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Maverick Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I have used 3.5 grains in my 38 loads for 5 years with a 125 grain bullet. I have never had any issues but can't speak for the 45. I would think there would be a good load for CleanShot as well. Texas Maverick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Grafs FFFg black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go West Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 The one you have on hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Unique or WW231 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Bradford Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 40 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said: Shooters World Cleanshot had good reviews and is sold by Scarlett. I got 5 pounds from her and am going to try it for this season. I too will throw in a vote for Shooters World Cleanshot. I’ve used it in almost every cowboy caliber… 38 special, 38-40, 45 colt and 45 acp for wild bunch. I also use it in 9mm for action pistol. It meters so smoothly and very consistently. And it doesn’t hurt that @Scarlettis a dealer and has accumulated some very good load data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oak Ridge Regulator Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 I think I need to clarify my original post, Ultimate pistol is a powder type made by shooters world, has anyone used it ? just looking for info on this particular powder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 56 minutes ago, Oak Ridge Regulator said: I think I need to clarify my original post, Ultimate pistol is a powder type made by shooters world, has anyone used it ? just looking for info on this particular powder Oh, your original post was plenty clear. But this is the SASS Wire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oak Ridge Regulator Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 ROFLMAO point taken Abilene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Dan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Haven't tried ultimate yet. I use titegroup or cleanshot of equal amounts in all my pistol calibers. Both work great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 There are at least twenty "best" smokeless powders for .45 Colt CAS loads - find one that's available, and buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Unique, but it is probably a bit slow for the reduced loads you want. W231/HP38 should work okay. Bullseye might also work well. Check the loading manuals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jack Black Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Ultimate powder to me is the one that never causes a miss and makes me faster than all others. I do believe that is also called Unobtanium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Bob Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 6 hours ago, Oak Ridge Regulator said: I think I need to clarify my original post, Ultimate pistol is a powder type made by shooters world, has anyone used it ? just looking for info on this particular powder I have used it in 44 Russian, 38 special and 9mm. It corn meals REAL bad in reduced loads. I gave up on it in the Russians after my rifle locked up after 4 stages from so much residue, I literally thought my rifle had been dropped in the dirt. It runs clean in the mid to upper loads though. I have run 4.6 grains behind a 125 grain bullet in 38 special and it shoots clean, but is a little hot for cowboy shooting in my opinion. As far as 9mm it is wonderful, save it for that and get some titegroup or Cleanshot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Cat Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 I was able to find HP38 and I'm loading up some 158g and 110g to various degrees, see which performs best in my Rossi 92. So far, 38sp 125g runs just fine in it. For ease of reloading, I'm hoping to find a single load that works for both the R92 and Vaqueros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Eagle Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 I use it in 45ACP and like it, but I'm loading at a 170 power factor. I just got my first 45 colt a few weeks ago, so haven't tried it for that yet. I have been using 5 grains of Titegroup for 45 colt and would probably start with 5 to 5.5 grains of Ultimate Pistol for cowboy loads. It does meter well, and that always makes me feel better at the low charges we use in SASS. Give it a try and let us know how it burns at these lower pressures. Ultimate Pistol is on my list of powders to try for the 45 colt cowboy loads anyway. As others have said Clean Shot would also be a good choice if you have access to Shooters World powders. I use Ultimate Pistol, Clean Shot, and Major Pistol for a lot of my reloading. I'm thinking about trying Clean Shot for my shotgun loading too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 3f APP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 https://shootersworldpowder.com/wp-content/uploads/shooters-world-manual.pdf It is a little slower than Clean Shot so better in calibers such as 9mm, and 44 Mag. But it is usable in 38 Special and 45' Colt and ACP. It is also sold as Lovex 36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"Big Boston" Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 On 1/23/2023 at 12:38 PM, Sedalia Dave said: There is no one perfect smokeless powder. There are several that work in multiple calibers and shotshells. However the saying "jack of all trades, master of none" applies. Even to trailBoss. As Warden Calloway just pointed out FFFg Black powder is as close as you can get. I'm not sure I have to much to add to that, so true. With the supply issue of Trail Boss, i think a lot of us were forced to use something else. However, I did learn a lot when working out loads with TB. I believe that not to many cowboy loads are above the book starting loads, I know most of mine are below the starting loads. In the 45 Colt, I load 255 gr bullets. it is easier to find a load with the heavier bullets, IMHO. I test with a chronograph and I'm mostly looking for reliable ignition, which results in no position sensitivity and low Es/Sd. If velocities for powder forward and powder against the primer are equal, that is good. And if the Es/Sd numbers for powder forward and against the primer are good, I'm pretty much assured that ignition is reliable and consistent. I prefer the powders that are not dense, IOW a big VMD on the Lee chart. I've done some work with Red Dot, basically a fluffy version of Bullseye. But whatever you choose, you will have to test over a chronograph. For each load there seems to be a sweet spot for a certain charge. For Red Dot and the 44 and 45s, it will be in the 4.5 to 5.5 grain range. But, be prepared to try different primers to get the powder position under control and to get good Es/Sd. That's what I did and I've got decent loads in a bunch of calibers and I'm using old 452AA. BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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