Subdeacon Joe Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I don't recall if this has already been posted. " Here’s an unexpected find from the Bond Arms booth at SHOT Show. This unnamed lever gun prototype is compatible with standard AR-15 uppers and mags, as well as Remington 870 shotgun stocks. The mechanism includes a unique asymmetric cam that generates variable leverage on the bolt to smooth out moments of higher resistance (i.e. feeding from the mag). The lever also has dovetails that allow the loop to be swapped out to match various stock profiles, such as the Magpul SGA and Hogue stocks shown here. It also allows the user to switch from a small loop to a large loop without gunsmithing. Bond Arms has been testing it with everything from .223 uppers to a .50 Beowulf upper over the course of the last year. They tell us they hope to release the finished version by this time next year. #recoilmagazine #recoiloffgrid #shotshow #shotshow2023 #leveraction" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowderRiverCowboy Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Pat is going to have a freaking stroke On this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 just cuase ya , figured out how to do something DON'T meen ya ortta Chickasaw Bill wonder how much whiskey it is gonna take to UNsee that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I love the way Americans find ways to thumb their noses at stupid laws. Yeah, it's weird looking, but if it works and can be legal in liberal "paradises", more power to em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Might be a way for Canadians to salvage at least a part of their now banned, subject to confiscation ARs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. James H. Callahan Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 God blessed Texas. I think my dogs have some AR's and 870's. Theoretically speaking of course. JHC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 it some what looks like a over built version of a Mossberg L/A 22 , think the mod # was a 930 looking at the exposed levers and rods , on the receiver lots of way to skin that cat CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Anybody want to start a pool on when the first short stroke kits become available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Wonder if they did any market research to see if they’d sell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 These sure look similar. Bond amArms and POF USA guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. James H. Callahan Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Abominations. Why must we too explore the near and far shores of unnatural conjunction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowderRiverCowboy Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 23 minutes ago, Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 said: Abominations. Why must we too explore the near and far shores of unnatural conjunction? You don’t want me to answer that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. James H. Callahan Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 23 minutes ago, Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 said: Abominations. Why must we too explore the near and far shores of unnatural conjunction? The times and/or states in which we live. JHC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vail Vigilante Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I just wish I would have thought of it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: These sure look similar. Bond amArms and POF USA guns Just like the lever guns of the late 1800s. Big differences seem to be that the Bond mates to an AR upper, and you can run different calibers. The POF is purpose built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 7 hours ago, Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 said: Abominations. Why must we too explore the near and far shores of unnatural conjunction? Because we can?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Well, I used to say “Anything that attracts shooters to lever guns is a good thing”. Perhaps now I should say “Any THING that attracts shooters to lever guns might be a good thing, but keep an eye on them.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 10 hours ago, Yul Lose said: Wonder if they did any market research to see if they’d sell? California, Oregon, Washingtons both state and district and Illinois appear to be target markets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 ????????????????????! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I laughed. I cried. I became nauseous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocWard Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 On the one hand, I understand why. It is no longer a semi-automatic firearm, which may give some shooters in certain locales access to things such as greater capacity, detachable magazines, etc... On the other hand, my greater fear is that it will bring unwanted attention from the anti-2A crowd, and open up yet another front for us to need to protect. An "AR lever action" will equal ALL lever actions in their minds. The populace that doesn't care to understand the difference between semi-automatic and automatic, and will bite on such terms as "full semi-automatic" when spoken by some retired general looking for fifteen minutes of fame, won't care to understand the difference yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie MacNeil, SASS #48580 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 It’s butt-ugly but it might be fun to play with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Charlie MacNeil, SASS #48580 said: It’s butt-ugly but it might be fun to play with... I would like to shoot one, but I fear it might actually be fun. We can’t be having that now, can we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Charlie MacNeil, SASS #48580 said: It’s butt-ugly but it might be fun to play with... Just like an old girlfriend I had, she was butt ugly but lots of fun to play with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocWard Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 31 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: Just like an old girlfriend I had, she was butt ugly but lots of fun to play with! I wonder if she said the same about you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 29 minutes ago, DocWard said: I wonder if she said the same about you! I’m sure she did!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 4 hours ago, DocWard said: On the one hand, I understand why. It is no longer a semi-automatic firearm, which may give some shooters in certain locales access to things such as greater capacity, detachable magazines, etc... On the other hand, my greater fear is that it will bring unwanted attention from the anti-2A crowd, and open up yet another front for us to need to protect. An "AR lever action" will equal ALL lever actions in their minds. The populace that doesn't care to understand the difference between semi-automatic and automatic, and will bite on such terms as "full semi-automatic" when spoken by some retired general looking for fifteen minutes of fame, won't care to understand the difference yet again. My thoughts exactly! Well at least they can’t call it a “weapon of war” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: Just like an old girlfriend I had, she was butt ugly but lots of fun to play with! You had one of those also? Me two, or three, or four. Anyway, before I forget what the thread is about...aw, crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Oh yeah. I'd be fun to shoot. Short stroke would be awesome. I'd love to see some of these really fast lever folks shoot it. Betcha it'd be faster than an MP-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.D. Daily Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 17 hours ago, Smuteye John SASS#24774 said: Anybody want to start a pool on when the first short stroke kits become available? 7 hours ago, Texas Joker said: California, Oregon, Washingtons both state and district and Illinois appear to be target markets. The POF is short stroke. Betting on selling these in states with AWB's is likely to be a bad bet. The Federal courts will moot all AWB's in 2023 or 2024. Saint Benitez has already bounce CA's AWB however the 9th Circus Court of Appeals stayed his ruling. Later a en banc panel used their word smithing & ability to ignore elephants in the room skills to uphold CA's AWB. The plaintiffs appealed to SCOTUS where it sat until the day after Hobbs opinion was published when SCOTUS vacated the 9th Circus riling with direction to review following the 1 step Bruen test. Like with other 9th Circus 2A cases the appeals court sent the cases to the original court to rehear. Unless something catastrophic happens it will take no more than 2 years to get a final decision. The CA DOJ won't bother to appeal beyond the 3 judge appeals panel. They may just decide that they won't risk loosing at the 9th Circus appeal to save HI, OR & WA from having their AWB's mooted. I am sure SCOTUS will eventually rule AWB's are an unconstitutional infringement of the 2A. The alternative is all the circuit courts of appeals with jurisdiction over states with AWB's will rule each unconstitutional. The other state & federal infringements that are likely to fall in the next few years are: age limits greater than 18, safe gun lists, 50 cal ban, magazine capacity limts, requiring good moral character, list of your social media accounts, phych. evals, list of references for carry license, banning carrying in most public a private locations. The states that had their may issue CC laws rejected by Bruen have shown extreme contempt of SCOTUS by their open defiance of the Bruen. They are playing the passive aggressive game with their revisions of their CC laws. Good Moral Character is the process equivalent of good cause requirement that SCOTUS will reject. The including the kitchen sink list of the places where a person who is not prohibited from keeping arms clearly can't bear arms defies Thomas's questioning of NY attorney during oral arguments & the opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.D. Daily Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said: Oh yeah. I'd be fun to shoot. Short stroke would be awesome. I'd love to see some of these really fast lever folks shoot it. Betcha it'd be faster than an MP-5. 12 rounds in 1 second? NOT! To equal an MP5's cyclic rate in semi-auto would require a binary trigger or forced reset trigger. A heavy trigger spring won't get you there unless you are Jerry M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: Just like an old girlfriend I had, she was butt ugly but lots of fun to play with! Especially her lever action? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.D. Daily Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: I would like to shoot one, but I fear it might actually be fun. We can’t be having that now, can we? Other than shooting up rounds faster because of the detachable box magazine how would shooting it be more fun than shooting your short stroke Winchester 73? For a cool CA compliant black rifle that uses AR-15 uppers I like the FightLite SBR for it's hybrid traditional tacticool looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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