Major Crimes Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 I got this email from Thales (ADI parent company) today. 2205 is the powder I use in my Sharps, its similar to Accurate 5477 Bolding and underline was done by me. Hi Tony, 2205 will be manufactured in Q3 this year. We had some quality issues with the batch we manufactured last year which has caused the delay. Unfortunately we have no plans to manufacture TB in 2023 Kind regards Sales Manager Australian Munitions The Thales Australia Centre, WTC Northbank Wharf, 18 - 38 Atrium Lobby Level, Siddeley Street Melbourne, VIC 3000 Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchy Trigger Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 My understanding is that unless they reformulate the powder it is (and will be) illegal for "Australian Munitions" to make it in Australia. It isn't just Trail Boss, but several Australian made powders. There was a strong rumor that they were going to license the formula out to another company to make it in the United States in late 2023/24 timeframe. Don't know if this is still progressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Crimes Posted January 19, 2023 Author Share Posted January 19, 2023 I don't know what the reason is although there are plenty of theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Crimes Posted January 19, 2023 Author Share Posted January 19, 2023 Here is a table from Hodgdon that shows what powders are ADI sourced. Hodgdon Equivalents for ADI Powder Codes « Daily Bulletin (accurateshooter.com) AS30N=Clays AP50N = (No Hodgdon) AS50N = International AP70N = Universal AP100 = (No Hodgdon) AR2205 = H4227 AR2207 = H4198 AR2219 = H322 Bench Mark1 = (No Hodgdon) Bench Mark2 = BenchMarkAR2206 = (No Hodgdon) AR2206H = H4895 AR2208 = Varget AR2209 = H4350 AR2213 = (Discontinued) AR2213SC = H4831 AR2217 = H1000 AR2225 = Retumbo AR2218 = H50BMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Sheridan Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Keeping an eye out for H4895 to reappear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Crimes Posted January 21, 2023 Author Share Posted January 21, 2023 23 hours ago, Buckshot Sheridan said: Keeping an eye out for H4895 to reappear. ADI 2206H is available in Australia so hopefully you should have it soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jack Black Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 On 1/20/2023 at 12:19 AM, Buckshot Sheridan said: Keeping an eye out for H4895 to reappear. Midway listed it as in stock yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffin Filler #51633 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Good info!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"Big Boston" Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Every powder is a rather unique chemical blend, and Trail Boss has: DiphenylamineDibutyl phthalate2-nitrodiphenylamine4-nitrodiphenylamine Of those 4 chemicals, the one on the radar is Dibutyl phthalate, David Suzuki lists it as one of the dirty dozen, and is seeking to ban it. That could be a reason that it may not be made again. I don't think for the most part we appreciate the complexities that go into making smokeless powders. And my pay grade isn't high enough to even pronounce some of those chemical names. BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, "Big Boston" said: Every powder is a rather unique chemical blend, and Trail Boss has: DiphenylamineDibutyl phthalate2-nitrodiphenylamine4-nitrodiphenylamine Of those 4 chemicals, the one on the radar is Dibutyl phthalate, David Suzuki lists it as one of the dirty dozen, and is seeking to ban it. That could be a reason that it may not be made again. I don't think for the most part we appreciate the complexities that go into making smokeless powders. And my pay grade isn't high enough to even pronounce some of those chemical names. BB Besides smokeless powders, dibutyl phthalate is used an a lot of different products. In total there are 6 different phthalates and REACH has listed 4 of them for significant reduction or outright ban. What put them on the radar for the folks behind the REACH standard is their use in the plastics a lot of children's toys are made from. In 2019 the REACH restrictions were expanded from children's toys to a long list of products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.S. Sooner, SASS #73526 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Difficult to believe but, on another local gun site I saw an ad selling Trail Boss. Seller has one 5lb keg plus a few ounces in an open keg. His asking price is $1,555 Are people really paying $300 per lb for Trail Boss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo B. Fetterman Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 I gave up on ever seeing Trail Boss again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Spade Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Yes, people are actually paying $300 plus a pound for Trail Boss. A recent gunbroker auction for two 9 oz cans ended at $866 plus shipping and hazmat fees with 36 bids. There are several completed auctions that sold for $200 a can or more. I took several cans to the Tulsa gun show and priced them at $150 per 9 oz can and sold six cans. It all went to guys shooting suppressed subsonic 30 caliber rifles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo B. Fetterman Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 I put it in 6.5 creedmoor once, subsonic icepicks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.S. Sooner, SASS #73526 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 16 minutes ago, Jack Spade said: Yes, people are actually paying $300 plus a pound for Trail Boss. A recent gunbroker auction for two 9 oz cans ended at $866 plus shipping and hazmat fees with 36 bids. There are several completed auctions that sold for $200 a can or more. I took several cans to the Tulsa gun show and priced them at $150 per 9 oz can and sold six cans. It all went to guys shooting suppressed subsonic 30 caliber rifles. Wow! I was still using TB last reloading session. Guess I'll save what's left for other loads and switch back to Clays for my cowboy rounds. Only a couple pounds left. BTW I have another discontinued powder in higher quantities than my TB stash. Is Winchester AA Lite a highly desirable powder at gun shows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo B. Fetterman Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Good luck finding Clays also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.S. Sooner, SASS #73526 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, Bo B. Fetterman said: Good luck finding Clays also. I don't have to look far, still have 2 full kegs and a partial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 As much as I love Trailboss, I would not pay that much for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattler Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Wow, and I've got 5 lbs. that I'm getting ready to sell. I have no idea what to ask for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 All you had to say is that some "greenie" is trying to get something banned because it destroys the environment and that will explain a lot. Surprised we are not all dead already from fast food and sodas. Aye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmetto Traveller Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 our local gun show had a vendor with 2 or 3 bottles and he's asking $100.00 per bottle. I've seen them the last 2 shows he's been to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo B. Fetterman Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 I thought alot had to do with demand for H4350 and Retumbo from ADI. Huge amounts of that get used for PRS and ELR. When im using ~60GR of Retumbo its for a 'light' and when its more often ~130gr the stuff goes fast and is pricey. But with trail boss when we look at case fill and performance at that cost might as well shoot holy black instead. I hope it comes back sometime. I think we are going to see alot of powders go just to reduce product line. IMR 4451 comes to mind and I am uncertain of fate of IMR4350. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 PRS and ELR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 I heard that you can get "dime bags" of TB on the street for $20! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Gunslinger Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 8 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: PRS and ELR? Precision Rifle Shooting Extreme Long Range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 So, I've got an unopened bottle of Trail Boss. I've been thinking maybe I need an SKB. Even trade? Anybody remember those cute little 1.5 oz sample bottles of TB that Hodgdon gave out when it was new? I got a couple of those at Mule Camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Blaster Mike Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 There certainly hasn't been any positive news from ADI about pistol powders let alone TB! As far as ridiculous price gouging, the worst that I've seen for TB was $1300Aust! The worst that I've paid for an unopened 1.5kg tub has been $600Aust! With a recent trade for another full tub, I have enough to run 45-70 light loads in my H&R for Pat Gar matches, for a fair while. That said though a lot of CAS folks here are running critically low on pistol powders. I met a few shooters at a recent comp who are buying slabs of 12ga factory to cut down and reclaim powder for their 38Spl loads. Seems you folks in the US are doing better than us in that regard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanghai Jack Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 Dern - I've got two kegs left - time to sell and retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jack Black Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 So before TB no one shot SASS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Texas Jack Black said: So before TB no one shot SASS. No. But it IS a very flexible powder that can be used in everything from .32S&W to .45-70 Government. It is even useful in making low power/recoil loads for things like .30-'06 and other bottlenecked cartridges. If I were to come across some, for a REASONABLE price, I'd use if for the rifle cartridges for now, as there are other powders that can be used for pistol cartridges quite well. (Currently using HP-38/Win 231, for example). But if, and hopefully when, it gets back to regular production, I'll switch back to using it for everything again, after I run out of the other stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jack Black Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 Try Unique it truly is. Best Wishes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waimea Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 On 4/21/2023 at 9:44 AM, Rattler said: Wow, and I've got 5 lbs. that I'm getting ready to sell. I have no idea what to ask for it. $1500 comes to mind. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattler Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 5 hours ago, Waimea said: $1500 comes to mind. Why not? I'd have a hard time sleeping at night if i did that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 One of the main reasons to load your own ammo is that it's less expensive than factory. With those prices, for the powder, you've kinda defeated that purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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