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I got this email from Thales (ADI parent company) today.

 

2205 is the powder I use in my Sharps, its similar to Accurate 5477

 

Bolding and underline was done by me.


 

Hi Tony,

 

2205 will be manufactured in Q3 this year.

We had some quality issues with the batch we manufactured last year which has caused the delay.

 

Unfortunately we have no plans to manufacture TB in 2023

 

Kind regards

 


Sales Manager
Australian Munitions

 

The Thales Australia Centre, WTC Northbank Wharf, 18 - 38 Atrium Lobby Level, Siddeley Street
Melbourne, VIC 3000
Australia

 

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My understanding is that unless they reformulate the powder it is (and will be) illegal for "Australian Munitions" to make it in Australia. It isn't just Trail Boss, but several Australian made powders.

 

There was a strong rumor that they were going to license the formula out to another company to make it in the United States in late 2023/24 timeframe. Don't know if this is still progressing.

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Here is a table from Hodgdon that shows what powders are ADI sourced. 

 

Hodgdon Equivalents for ADI Powder Codes « Daily Bulletin (accurateshooter.com)

 

 

AS30N=Clays
AP50N = (No Hodgdon)
AS50N = International
AP70N = Universal
AP100 = (No Hodgdon)
AR2205 = H4227
AR2207 = H4198
AR2219 = H322
Bench Mark1 = (No Hodgdon)
Bench Mark2 = BenchMarkAR2206 = (No Hodgdon)
AR2206H = H4895
AR2208 = Varget
AR2209 = H4350
AR2213 = (Discontinued)
AR2213SC = H4831
AR2217 = H1000
AR2225 = Retumbo
AR2218 = H50BMG

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On 1/20/2023 at 12:19 AM, Buckshot Sheridan said:

Keeping an eye out for H4895 to reappear. 

 Midway listed  it as in stock yesterday.

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Every powder is a rather unique chemical blend, and Trail Boss has:

 

Diphenylamine
Dibutyl phthalate
2-nitrodiphenylamine
4-nitrodiphenylamine

 

Of those 4 chemicals, the one on the radar is Dibutyl phthalate, David Suzuki lists it as one of the dirty dozen, and is seeking to ban it. 

That could be a reason that it may not be made again. I don't think for the most part we appreciate the complexities that go into making smokeless powders. And my pay grade isn't high enough to even pronounce some of those chemical names. 

 

BB

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2 minutes ago, "Big Boston" said:

Every powder is a rather unique chemical blend, and Trail Boss has:

 

Diphenylamine
Dibutyl phthalate
2-nitrodiphenylamine
4-nitrodiphenylamine

 

Of those 4 chemicals, the one on the radar is Dibutyl phthalate, David Suzuki lists it as one of the dirty dozen, and is seeking to ban it. 

That could be a reason that it may not be made again. I don't think for the most part we appreciate the complexities that go into making smokeless powders. And my pay grade isn't high enough to even pronounce some of those chemical names. 

 

BB

 

Besides smokeless powders, dibutyl phthalate is used an a lot of different products. In total there are 6 different phthalates and REACH has listed 4 of them for significant reduction or outright ban.

 

What put them on the radar for the folks behind the REACH standard is their use in the plastics a lot of children's toys are made from. In 2019 the REACH restrictions were expanded from children's toys to a long list of products.

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