Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 I was looking into having one of my semi auto rifles worked on by a fella that apparently specializes in such guns. Had a good conversation with him and he was well familiar with the breakdown and parts and function beyond what I’d find to be keyboard warrior stuff. So then we get to the service and shipping part…. Gunsmith instructed me to ship the rifle, along with a box of ammo with it via UPS and declare it as “machine parts sent out for repair”. He’d even send me a label. Right…. UPS? I thought UPS had to ship through a service center and declare it as a weapon. Before I go disclosing the company’s name and info, just thought I’d throw this out there. Whole deal is wrong on too many levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Jones, SASS 2263 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Not a good idea. As far as I know, presently UPS will only ship through a service center and to an FFL. Sounds like the guy doesn't have an FFL or else why would he do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 I am really not sure how much trouble one could get into with UPS. With the USPS one could get into lots of trouble. Still, I would be very leery of this. Shipping ammo in the box is the big red flag for me. I think I would pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 If he has an FFL you can ship the gun using shipmygun.com. shipmygun.com (Bud's Gun Shop) acts as the shipping FFL for you. UPS demands that you do not mark that it is a firearm on the box. I don't even divulge it to the counter person unless they ask. I would not ship the ammo with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Federal law requires that you do not mark the box that it has a gun. Federal law also requires that you inform the shipper there is a gun in the box. And then there's that pesky little federal law about shipping ammunition. Box has to be labeled. Only reason I can come up with for him requesting you to do that this way is that he does not have an FFL. If you ship a gun to someone that does not have an FFL, you have broken the law. Not him. I would find another gunsmith, or I would insist he send me a copy of his FFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Shipped a couple of SAA hammers to my favorite smith in Ten Sleep, Wyoming. Mary paused at contents apparently, the USPS gal just suggested to put down small metal parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Shapiro Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 If you're shipping the part of the gun that has the serial number, by Federal law, it MUST go to an FFL. It sounds like this particular gunsmith does NOT have an FFL and is asking you to break the law to do business with him. That's both illegal and unethical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 Shipping would be for the complete rifle as the work being done involves the gas port, and ammo was for test function. I believe his diagnosis is correct. The logistics for his remedy is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Shapiro Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dirty Dan Dawkins said: Shipping would be for the complete rifle as the work being done involves the gas port, and ammo was for test function. I believe his diagnosis is correct. The logistics for his remedy is the problem. Flat out ask him if he has an FFL. Then make your decision accordingly. Mine would be a solid NO GO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 Yeah I’m going to pass now that I just read over those federal requirements. I also have aversion to misrepresenting myself in the eyes of the ATF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 4 hours ago, Dirty Dan Dawkins said: Yeah I’m going to pass now that I just read over those federal requirements. I also have aversion to misrepresenting myself in the eyes of the ATF. Or their showing up at your door. Like game wardens, no sense of humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 It is against federal law to ship ammunition with the gun. UPS changed policies last summer. They only ship FFL to FFL. You must have a contract and a seperate account to ship firearms, another for firearm parts, and a third for accessories. The gun must be scheduled online for pickup by a driver, not brought to a hub. Your gunsmith is not alone, I've heard of manufacturer instructing broken pistols be returned as "machined parts" via USPS flat rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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