Finagler 6853 Life Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 I thought Trailboss powder was classified as unobtanium and discontinued until further notice. Glad I stocked up years ago. I see in the latest Natchez Shooters Supply catalog that they are offering Trailboss. So it is either old stock or new production. I know the Trailboss thing has been discussed before but I haven't been paying attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 They are not "offering" anything. The website says Out of Stock as it has for months. Trailboss is not currently being made and may never be made again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 They haven't had it in stock for about two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Their catalog has nothing to do with stock. Same basic catalog year after year in my observation. Check online for availability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Here’s the latest from the Trail Boss manufacturer in Australia. http://www.adiworldclass.com.au/powders/trail-boss/ It says: Trail Boss Coming soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 The site used to say that they planned on making and distributing Trail Boss in 2023. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 If'n any of you are near North Central Arkansas, I have a can if you want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 27 minutes ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: The site used to say that they planned on making and distributing Trail Boss in 2023. Good news for me. I love the stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 said: Good news for me. I love the stuff. I discovered Trail Boss late in the game. I am pretty sure I bought the last 2 - 9oz containers in USA. I really like it in .45 Colt. Looking forward to getting some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 At the pier in New York City where the Titanic was supposed to dock there was a sign reading "Arriving Soon." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painted Mohawk SASS 77785 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 6 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: The site used to say that they planned on making and distributing Trail Boss in 2023. Yep..being told here that TB hopefully back on Aussie shelves between March - June '023..shotgun powder is our main concern as ADI definitely not going to make it anymore !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equanimous Phil Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Do you know the brand Reload Swiss in the USA and Australia? Are RS powders available there? Because their new powder RS14 seems to be released now: Announcement: https://www.reload-swiss.com/en/reload_swiss/produkte/rs20_pistol_powder/rs14_rifle_pistol_powder/index.php https://www.reload-swiss.com/en/reload_swiss/tipps___tricks/tipps_und_tricks_neu_1/einfuehrung_rs14/index.php Load data: https://reload-swiss.com/en/reload_swiss/service_2/rs_ladedaten_1/index.php?kaliber=-&pulver=RS14&hersteller=-&gew_gesch=gr&gew_ladung=gr&geschw_mass=ft It's supposed to be a copy of Trail Boss but with a different grain geometry that should better drop. Two of my pards got a can to test it in different calibers a couple of month ago. I also received a couple .45 Colt rounds to shoot, very pleasant! I will definitely settle on this powder in the future. It might be available only in Europe yet, but if there's a demand world wide, who knows...? Greetings from Switzerland Equanimous Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finagler 6853 Life Posted December 14, 2022 Author Share Posted December 14, 2022 I didn't go to the web site. I was just thumbing through the most recent catalog while I was in the "library". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 5 hours ago, Equanimous Phil said: Do you know the brand Reload Swiss in the USA and Australia? Are RS powders available there? Because their new powder RS14 seems to be released now: Announcement: https://www.reload-swiss.com/en/reload_swiss/produkte/rs20_pistol_powder/rs14_rifle_pistol_powder/index.php https://www.reload-swiss.com/en/reload_swiss/tipps___tricks/tipps_und_tricks_neu_1/einfuehrung_rs14/index.php Load data: https://reload-swiss.com/en/reload_swiss/service_2/rs_ladedaten_1/index.php?kaliber=-&pulver=RS14&hersteller=-&gew_gesch=gr&gew_ladung=gr&geschw_mass=ft It's supposed to be a copy of Trail Boss but with a different grain geometry that should better drop. Two of my pards got a can to test it in different calibers a couple of month ago. I also received a couple .45 Colt rounds to shoot, very pleasant! I will definitely settle on this powder in the future. It might be available only in Europe yet, but if there's a demand world wide, who knows...? Greetings from Switzerland Equanimous Phil Thanks Equanimous Phil. If/when that makes it's way into Canada, I'll have to try some. Do you have any idea of it's performance in cold -0 weather? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equanimous Phil Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 27 minutes ago, Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 said: Do you have any idea of it's performance in cold -0 weather? Unfortunately not, as we do not shoot outdoors during winter. Our last outdoor match is usually end of October and start is middle of March, usually with temperatures >10°C (50°F). But I'll ask my pards when I meet them next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Shoot the ORIGINAL Trailboss Powder . It's called Unique ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said: Shoot the ORIGINAL Trailboss Powder . It's called Unique ! I agree but that's just as scarce here too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painted Mohawk SASS 77785 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 17 hours ago, Equanimous Phil said: Do you know the brand Reload Swiss in the USA and Australia? Are RS powders available there? Because their new powder RS14 seems to be released now: Announcement: https://www.reload-swiss.com/en/reload_swiss/produkte/rs20_pistol_powder/rs14_rifle_pistol_powder/index.php https://www.reload-swiss.com/en/reload_swiss/tipps___tricks/tipps_und_tricks_neu_1/einfuehrung_rs14/index.php Load data: https://reload-swiss.com/en/reload_swiss/service_2/rs_ladedaten_1/index.php?kaliber=-&pulver=RS14&hersteller=-&gew_gesch=gr&gew_ladung=gr&geschw_mass=ft It's supposed to be a copy of Trail Boss but with a different grain geometry that should better drop. Two of my pards got a can to test it in different calibers a couple of month ago. I also received a couple .45 Colt rounds to shoot, very pleasant! I will definitely settle on this powder in the future. It might be available only in Europe yet, but if there's a demand world wide, who knows...? Greetings from Switzerland Equanimous Phil Howdy Phil...At the moment we would take any powder we can get..hopefully the RS may make it down-under. As a matter of interest have you shot on the rifle range in Switzerland that shoots over a main highway...wow that looks super cool !!!!! Cheers 'Mohawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equanimous Phil Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 On 12/15/2022 at 5:19 AM, Painted Mohawk SASS 77785 said: As a matter of interest have you shot on the rifle range in Switzerland that shoots over a main highway...wow that looks super cool !!!!! Cheers 'Mohawk Howdy Mohawk, no, never shot there. But as Switzerland is quite a tiny and crowded place you have to be creative in planning rifle ranges. It's not that uncommon that you shoot over a street. Below is an example of another range. It's in a narrow valley in the Alps that i cross quite often when I go snowboarding, and I always wonder how loud the echoing must be between those rock faces! Basically, all the ranges are made safe with berms and walls, and some hiking trails are closed during shooting. But sometimes there are hikers ignoring the signs... The range isin the Saas-Tal. The valley on the left is the Matter-Tal which leads to the Matterhorn Also quite impressive was when the Swiss military artillerie used to shoot over the city of Frauenfeld (~26k population) for practicing with their M109s. You could see the 155mm (training) projectiles flying above you in the sky. I guess they stopped that in about 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 I’ve never tried TB, I’m happy with TiteGroup or Clays . I’ve been using them for years. HP 38 is another good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 Thank you @Equanimous Phil I will have to try some RS14 if I can find some here in the US. I did a search for it and it seems it’s not here and lots of suppliers don’t carry Reload Swiss powders. I did find something very interesting. It seems many RS powders equate to Accurate powders load data. https://www.xxl-reloading.com/Powders/Reload-Swiss-RS-Powders/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equanimous Phil Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 57 minutes ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: I will have try try done RS14 if I can find some here in the US. I did a search for it and it seems it’s not here and lots of suppliers don’t carry Reload Swiss powders. I did find something very interesting. It seems many RS powders equate to Accurate powders load data. I haven't yet seen it on the shelves around here either, but it's brand new and I haven't been to gun stores the last few weeks. The company's name that makes RS is NITROCHEMIE WIMMIS. It seems that they make powders for different other brands. Alliant and Hodgdon are names that pop up for sure. Maybe they are also a supplier for some Accurate powders? By the way, is Hodgdon and IMR the same company? Because you can find IMR Trail Boss and Hodgdon Trail Boss. Is/was this the same powder? Maybe the next TB is comming from Wimmis... Edit Just googled it: "Hodgdon purchased IMR® Powder Company in October 2003" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 When I first started with SASS, I stocked up with two 2# tubs of TB. Glad I did, as it is truly unique (pun intended) in powders. VV N32C Tin Star is the next closest for fluffy powders. N32C appears sporadically on the US markets... dunno about Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equanimous Phil Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, bgavin said: N32C appears sporadically on the US markets... dunno about Europe. Good availability here in Europe, Vihtavuori is from Finland. N32C is what I use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 I have VV N133 and N135, both are very fine powders. The N133 is specific for my 223, and the N135 just because it was there, $10 sealed bottle, at a fire sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painted Mohawk SASS 77785 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 15 hours ago, Equanimous Phil said: Howdy Mohawk, no, never shot there. But as Switzerland is quite a tiny and crowded place you have to be creative in planning rifle ranges. It's not that uncommon that you shoot over a street. Below is an example of another range. It's in a narrow valley in the Alps that i cross quite often when I go snowboarding, and I always wonder how loud the echoing must be between those rock faces! Basically, all the ranges are made safe with berms and walls, and some hiking trails are closed during shooting. But sometimes there are hikers ignoring the signs... The range isin the Saas-Tal. The valley on the left is the Matter-Tal which leads to the Matterhorn Also quite impressive was when the Swiss military artillerie used to shoot over the city of Frauenfeld (~26k population) for practicing with their M109s. You could see the 155mm (training) projectiles flying above you in the sky. I guess they stopped that in about 2008. Thanks Phil..That looks like the range I saw on you tube..you are only allowed to shoot lying down & you have a monitor screen beside you that shows hits etc..certainly a range I would like to go to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall John Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 I contacted Hogdon last week and they are now reporting Trail Boss availability in 2024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 And next year they'll announce Trailboss available in 2025... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 58 minutes ago, Dantankerous said: And next year they'll announce Trailboss available in 2025... Optimist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 So...the company that distributes Trail Boss states that it is hearing 2024 for the next production of TB. Hearing? That means that they have no clue as to when TB will be seen again...if ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Cypress Sun said: So...the company that distributes Trail Boss states that it is hearing 2024 for the next production of TB. Hearing? That means that they have no clue as to when TB will be seen again...if ever. Hodgdon doesn't make Trail Boss. They contract with ADI Australia to make it for them. ADI has said it'll be available next year so many time they wore out the recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 9 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said: Hodgdon doesn't make Trail Boss. They contract with ADI Australia to make it for them. ADI has said it'll be available next year so many time they wore out the recording. That's why I stated that Hodgdon distributes TB. By the time that ADI begins to produce TB again (if ever), I think they are going to find their sales of TB low and disappointing due to the fact that people have found other powder that is cleaner and performs better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Steak Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 I know Vihtavuori's Tin Star is supposed to be a good replacement for Trail Boss, but the places I've looked that still have it listed on their ste all show it as either out of stock or discontinued. It's getting hard to find a good cowboy powder that is actually "in stock" regardless of what flavor tastes best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 OH Well. Maybe I'll load some of the Lil Gun I bought on the advice of a shop owner, when I aske dif he had something I could use in .45 Colt under a 250 grain LRNFP for CAS. (Didn't know the powder then) That should prove interesting and I can go back to my WARTHOG designation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 I don't think Lil Gun is meant for reduced loads. It's meant for .410, of course, and heavy magnum sixgun loads. I use it in .410 and .475 Linebaugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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